Deducer wrote
I didn't respond to your questions with "reasoning." I responded with facts.
As has been pointed out, the major players associated with the Stone Maps treated it as if it were authentic, including Travis Tumlinson himself. Have you read the Peck investigation letters?
There is absolutely no proof that the Stone Maps are fakes, or that Travis Tumlinson carved them.
Actually your 'facts' did not really prove anything either, because your original questions were mostly asking things we can not know - what someone knew, or believed etc. The fact that so many were convinced the Peralta stones are real does not make them real - people are too easily fooled.
We have the conclusions of Father Charles Polzer, SJ, whom examined said stones and pronounced them modern forgeries, and Desert Archaeology Inc, that also reached the same conclusions. The state of Arizona, when the legal dust up was going on concerning the stone maps, classified them as "curiosities" rather than antiquities, which also says something. Conversely, didn't Scott Wolter examine the Peralta stones and pronounce them genuine, but not necessarily maps to a gold mine?
Toss into that factoring that Travis Tumlinson definitely liked to carve stones, including the chimney of the family home.
Homar wrote
Howdy Roy,
Not all fish have scales, the same goes for maps. In fact most treasure maps don't have scale since they are not made by surveyors. The PSM's were made much like a treasure map. They also show where North is, otherwise they would not be map at all, but that's for you to figure out. Now if Travis had made them, he would have made sure that they had a proper indicator like a regular map.
Homar
I can see that there is no scale on the stone maps. I can also see at least two different pointing type indicators that might be pointing north. You are assuming that Travis would have made sure they had a proper indicator - he did not put any such indicator on the other stones he carved.
Homar also wrote
Oroblanco believes that if I were fortunate enough to find something, that I would rub his nose in it like a bad puppy. That would never happen, if it were not for naysayers, there would be no debate, nothing to come here for. I have just as much fun as you do when I come here to inject a little common sense into the saga.
You do not know what I believe or disbelieve, and please do not put words in my mouth. I said I would hope that you WOULD come back online and post proof of your having found the treasure, the "rub nose" reference was
a figure of speech, as it sounds funnier than just "I told ya so."
Deducer wrote
It seems to me that the two main arguments for Travis Tumlinson having carved the maps are that: 1) He did it for fun. 2) He did it to personally profit from them.
Neither can be proven.
Well family members informed Garry Cundiff (if memory serves that is his last name) that Travis carved the stone maps. Are we now saying that Gary lied, or that the Tumlinson family members he spoke to lied?
Also you are ignoring two other possible reasons for Travis to have carved the stone maps.
1 Fraud - to get investors or bilk someone out of money (I doubt this but it is possible)
2 Pious Fraud - creating something he believed SHOULD exist. This kind of thing was very common in the Medeival age, of course mostly all religious relics but including whole books written under the name of famous Biblican patriarchs like the Testament of Abraham etc when Abraham never saw that document. People were flocking to pray to the bones of St Rosalia for many years only until it was discovered that the bones were those of a goat. A "pious fraud" doesn't necessarily mean religious, nor necessarily that it was intended to cheat money out of people, just like people are buying modern replica Viking and Roman swords - the guys making them are in effect making 'pious frauds' as there is a demand for it. Thankfully they are not pretending these modern replicas are the genuine article.
Marius wrote
Hi Roy
Just to keep this thread warm.
The Trail tablets together in the right order, in the field they cover about 150x110 yards. So, you can make out the scale.
Now the orientation of the Trail tablets, the dagger points almost east, just seven degrees to the south.
Thank you Marius for your answers. Apparently most of our friends here do not want to post an answer, perhaps thinking I am trying to lay a trap or secretly steal the info for my own use.
The questions about the scale were because so far, no two people can agree what the map scale really is. I mean the scale as you are interpreting it, just as Marius posted. The eighteen places, the dots, one might logically conclude to be a days travel apart, making the scale of the stone maps quite large indeed. Marius' scale is the smallest I have heard of concerning these stone maps.
The question about which direction is North, is also due to the fact that SO many people cannot agree on which direction is north on the stone maps. Does the dagger point north, or the arrow? Or does it point south, or west or as Marius posted, just south of east!
Anyway good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
