The stones are still the answer...

[3cylbill]

I would say you are not good at it. You mention there were no flood tunnels above then claim that when they dug past the scam stone the hole flooded.

And I can assure you that the laginas make no money from me.

Still waiting for one piece of factual evidence that any treasure, money pit, flood tunnels, or anything else mysterious ever existed on oak island.

100% of items found up to today are common artifacts of human habitation as well as planted fake evidence such as the 90 foot stone and what the laginas find

 

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[3cylbill]

You must bea Profesional tresure hunter....a know it all...to bad the lagina's didn't get your opinion years ago to save them from all the time and money they wasted.....

 

[treasure1822]

I would say you are not good at it. You mention there were no flood tunnels above then claim that when they dug past the scam stone the hole flooded.

And I can assure you that the laginas make no money from me.

Still waiting for one piece of factual evidence that any treasure, money pit, flood tunnels, or anything else mysterious ever existed on oak island.

100% of items found up to today are common artifacts of human habitation as well as planted fake evidence such as the 90 foot stone and what the laginas find on tv.

Whether you admit or not, you as the consumer are purchasing goods from the advertisers of their show. So in fact you are putting money in their pockets. And again you are not paying attention...I said nothing about "Man Made" flood tunnels. You say naturally made crevices, fine. The term "Flood Tunnels" were coined in the history of Oak Island. Tell us the reasoning for the coconut fibers on Smiths cove. Tell us where 27 cubic yards of earth went when the woman was plowing her field. Tell us why Blair said there were pick marks on the wall of the cave in pit and no water at a depth of 52 feet. Why was there a letter "G" carved into a stone that was found by Dan Blankenship? You see your answer for everything is, it's fake...The stone carving in Westford Mass., The stone carving in Overton Nova Scotia, which the Laginas had a guy with a degree in underwater acoustic tell the viewers it was a "Treaty" between the Mi'kmaq and the Portuguese Templars. What the "F", how in the hell did he get that I have no idea. The stone carving on the second peninsula Nova Scotia. The survey stones found on Oak Island. You prescribe to the Occam Razor approach, fine that requires almost no thought but still has to be scientifically proven.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Whether you admit or not, you as the consumer are purchasing goods from the advertisers of their show. So in fact you are putting money in their pockets. And again you are not paying attention...I said nothing about "Man Made" flood tunnels. You say naturally made crevices, fine. The term "Flood Tunnels" were coined in the history of Oak Island. Tell us the reasoning for the coconut fibers on Smiths cove. Tell us where 27 cubic yards of earth went when the woman was plowing her field. Tell us why Blair said there were pick marks on the wall of the cave in pit and no water at a depth of 52 feet. Why was there a letter "G" carved into a stone that was found by Dan Blankenship? You see your answer for everything is, it's fake...The stone carving in Westford Mass., The stone carving in Overton Nova Scotia, which the Laginas had a guy with a degree in underwater acoustic tell the viewers it was a "Treaty" between the Mi'kmaq and the Portuguese Templars. What the "F", how in the hell did he get that I have no idea. The stone carving on the second peninsula Nova Scotia. The survey stones found on Oak Island. You prescribe to the Occam Razor approach, fine that requires almost no thought but still has to be scientifically proven.

You seem to be totally confused. I haven’t watched the laginas show for many years after I researched and found out about the 200+ year scam.

And no, the templars never reached the new world.

Too many folks beleive the fiction of Diana Muir and others.

 

[treasure1822]

You seem to be totally confused. I haven’t watched the laginas show for many years after I researched and found out about the 200+ year scam.

And no, the templars never reached the new world.

Too many folks beleive the fiction of Diana Muir and others.

Stopped watching the show a long time ago and have no idea who Diana Muir is. There are some that are adamant that the Templars never came to the new world, and yet the are other who believe that they came here to get away from the reach of the church and monarchies. Fiftysix Templar knights burned at the stake by the church and the king of France, do you think the remainder Knights just threw up their hands and said "I'm Out"...The Knight's did not swear an oath to the church or the King, it was to God. How can you say that the Templars never reached the new world but yet the Viking had done it at least 400 years before 1306. In the story "The Odel rights and Feudal Wrong, a memorial of Orkney" by David Balfore, he had said that Henry Sinclair and his men were retracing the steps of their forefathers, that would be the Vikings...You believe that there should be some written validation to their voyage and I say that the secret to their survival was to maintain a secret. The Freemasons knew more about the new world as if they had already been here.

 

[TruthbeTold]

Stopped watching the show a long time ago and have no idea who Diana Muir is. There are some that are adamant that the Templars never came to the new world, and yet the are other who believe that they came here to get away from the reach of the church and monarchies. Fiftysix Templar knights burned at the stake by the church and the king of France, do you think the remainder Knights just threw up their hands and said "I'm Out"...The Knight's did not swear an oath to the church or the King, it was to God. How can you say that the Templars never reached the new world but yet the Viking had done it at least 400 years before 1306. In the story "The Odel rights and Feudal Wrong, a memorial of Orkney" by David Balfore, he had said that Henry Sinclair and his men were retracing the steps of their forefathers, that would be the Vikings...You believe that there should be some written validation to their voyage and I say that the secret to their survival was to maintain a secret. The Freemasons knew more about the new world as if they had already been here.

Yes, history actually shows the templars were persecuted.

The Vikings had far more sea experience than land locked knights of old plus history has documented the Vikings arrival on this side of the ocean.

The remaining templars folded into society and were no more. They never attempted to sail into the unknown.

Of course there are some that beleive the Earth is hollow. Have you looked there to see if the templars sailed into that hole? That scenario is just as believable based on your statements.

We eagerly await to see any factual proof of templars in the new world or that any of the oak island scam stories were true.

Good luck!

 

[n2mini]

These are never ending arguments and no way to prove either way at this point. On one hand we have stuff written about and some say that's not true, if something wasn't written about they ask where was that ever written about. Not everything is or was written about. Just as with most all history. Won't even get into the whole Bible thing. You can either believe or you don't.
What I have found funny over the last 10 years or so of being on this forum, is the people that claim to not watch the show, believe any part of the story, sure know a lot about it, and always ask for proof, knowing there is no way to prove any of it at this point. Not everything is going to be written about. If someone did come over and hide a treasure do you think they wanted to tell everyone. Only a select few would have know about.

 

[treasure1822]

Yes, history actually shows the templars were persecuted.

The Vikings had far more sea experience than land locked knights of old plus history has documented the Vikings arrival on this side of the ocean.

The remaining templars folded into society and were no more. They never attempted to sail into the unknown.

Of course there are some that beleive the Earth is hollow. Have you looked there to see if the templars sailed into that hole? That scenario is just as believable based on your statements.

We eagerly await to see any factual proof of templars in the new world or that any of the oak island scam stories were true.

Good luck!

Your over looking another piece of Templar history which is the "Landlocked" Templar's besides renting ships to bring supplies and horses and pilgrims to the Holy lands also had a handful of Oared War Ships that they owned. Scholars and theorist have tried to track them down but can not locate them. The Templar's left in a handful of ships from La Rochelle, France after the persecution of the 56 knights Templar. Seems as though they had picked up quit a bit of knowledge fighting it the Holy Lands including navigation, gee found that on the internet. Oh as for the "Remaining" Knights Templar's which there were at least 20,000 of them. Some were captured and their personal asset taken by different monarchies. Killed if the did not confess their affiliation with the devil. Some were "Rehabilitated" as they put it but they did not capture all of them...

 

[djackson7348]

TruthBeTold,

You believe this all fake and yet you seem extremely concerned about how others spend their time and money chasing a dream, why? It's not your time nor money, you are not forced to watch it nor will you share in the spoils if they turn out to be correct.

Please tell me why this eating you alive then.

 

[TruthbeTold]

TruthBeTold,

You believe this all fake and yet you seem extremely concerned about how others spend their time and money chasing a dream, why? It's not your time nor money, you are not forced to watch it nor will you share in the spoils if they turn out to be correct.

Please tell me why this eating you alive then.

Doesn't eat me alive at all.

For me its comedy relief watching all the folks continuing to re-invent old, proven false stories, attempting to make someone believe oak island is not a scam operation.

 

[treasure1822]

Doesn't eat me alive at all.

For me its comedy relief watching all the folks continuing to re-invent old, proven false stories, attempting to make someone believe oak island is not a scam operation.

Nothing has been proven false...Your basing "Scholar" opinions as factual but yet there are points on both sides of the Scholarly Isle. Some say false but others say no evidence to support a false narrative. Somehow you have it in your head that there has to be certified documentation for anything to be true. And you even apply it to the idealism of "Secrecy". If a group of Templar Knights did set out looking for a place where the eyes of the "Church" and "Monarchies" could readily find them, what would make more sense going to the "New World" or Staying in Europe? We are not attempting to make anyone believe nothing, people are entitled to their opinions, but when you come into a conversation discrediting opinion without providing "Factual" evidence, well then your also re-inventing...As I like a good debate, answer the question above, what happen to the handful of "Templar War ships" that left La Rochelle France? Why does the Westford "Boatstone", the "Overton Stone, the Norumbega Vinland Stone, the "G" Stone, the Newport Tower, The Knight stone, Quidnessett Rock exist in this the US?

 

[TruthbeTold]

Nothing has been proven false...Your basing "Scholar" opinions as factual but yet there are points on both sides of the Scholarly Isle. Some say false but others say no evidence to support a false narrative. Somehow you have it in your head that there has to be certified documentation for anything to be true. And you even apply it to the idealism of "Secrecy". If a group of Templar Knights did set out looking for a place where the eyes of the "Church" and "Monarchies" could readily find them, what would make more sense going to the "New World" or Staying in Europe? We are not attempting to make anyone believe nothing, people are entitled to their opinions, but when you come into a conversation discrediting opinion without providing "Factual" evidence, well then your also re-inventing...As I like a good debate, answer the question above, what happen to the handful of "Templar War ships" that left La Rochelle France? Why does the Westford "Boatstone", the "Overton Stone, the Norumbega Vinland Stone, the "G" Stone, the Newport Tower, The Knight stone, Quidnessett Rock exist in this the US?

The templar ships sank or landed in other areas of Europe where the former templars disbanded and blended into society.

The carvings mentioned could have been carved by anyone.

Again, all conjecture and hopeful theories yet no evidence has been presented in over 200+ years of anything other than normal human habitation existing on the island.

All of this hyperbole reminds me of another “believer” who posted here several years ago that the templars came to oak island and used a space/time portal in the “money pit” to travel and take their treasure to Mars.

Perhaps you beleive that too?

 

[treasure1822]

The templar ships sank or landed in other areas of Europe where the former templars disbanded and blended into society.

The carvings mentioned could have been carved by anyone.

Again, all conjecture and hopeful theories yet no evidence has been presented in over 200+ years of anything other than normal human habitation existing on the island.

All of this hyperbole reminds me of another “believer” who posted here several years ago that the templars came to oak island and used a space/time portal in the “money pit” to travel and take their treasure to Mars.

Perhaps you beleive that too?

So you have backed your "OPINION" with speculation! No "FACTS" just speculation. Everything you just said is speculation. Not one fact has been presented to support your theory but you condemn other for doing the same. This is why it's called a "THEORY"...Huh, Human Habitation is the is the answer...so a plethora of board artist and I mean low talented artist just randomly decided to do stone carvings with no real understanding of legend, Lore or history to create pieces which will withstand the test of time to do what, perplex any who see it? Oh and let us not forget that "NO ONE" witnessed them doing it...not one person came forward and said, oh I know the dude who did that or I heard something but never looked...The common factor is "stone"...Why Stone, it stands time...not wood, iron rust and deteriorates faster than stone...Shugborough Monument, the Shepherds of Arcadia are pointing to the "Stone Carving"...

 

[SSR]

Your not good at this are you, what would make you think that the 90' stone would be nothing more the a enticer? What happen when they dug past the stone? Water! Water that they can't stop. Man's greed, they relied on man's greed to open that flood tunnel. Look at the Shugsbough monument, a positive depiction of the Shepherds of Arcadia by Poussin. What are the shepherds pointing to? The "Stone Carving". The words "Et in arcadia ego", translated " "Even in Arcadia, there am I" which has been described as poor latin. There has been a theory that the words are a anagram, Tego arcana Dei, meaning "Begone, I keep God's secrets!" I had a computer translator do it and I got "I cover the secrets of God". It was a explorer by the name of Giovanni da Verrazzano who first called the eastern coast of North American "Arcadia", in 1524. commissioned by the king of France, King Francis I, to explore the new world and look for a new trade route to far East. Some believe that he was sent to look for signs of the Knights templars that went missing in 1306.

The Shugborough monument has the same dedicatory D M as other Latin monuments and tomb inscriptions. Typically, this means: "Aux Dieux Manes" which is an address to all of the deceased Gods of the Ancient world, or to the spirits of the deceased in general. It make sense to have Poussin's image on this tomb because "Et in Arcadia Ego" is in fact a memento morti painting/scene which is about remembering death. The scene is taken from Greek myth and suggests that all is not well in Arcadia (the lamb is lost). The counter suggestion is the one that says that the shepherd (the son of God) will come again and finds his lost lambs to reunite them all in heaven.

There's a parallel between that and the Aelia Laelia Crispis monument plaque located at Bologna (at the same latitude as OI, 44.51N, incidentally). It too addresses DM, all the Gods of the ancient world, who have now been replaced with something else (the Christian God). In that case it is a lamentation. It makes sense as a Renaissance esoteric work that is part of the counter current to the Church of Rome which rose in Italy at this time. A lot of the controversial esoteric works/paintings did that. Poussin's work is assuming to be doing that too. It's a Baroque era painting that has a well known geometric composition that is meant to suggest the thing that has come and replaced the pantheon of Gods of Antiquity, namely the Trinity. The geometric shape used to do this is the arbelos which famously comes out of 3 circles. What the shepherd points to in the image is the center which is also the center of the large all-encompassing circle (a monad) that contains the desired geometry. This echoes the idea that God's plan has a natural equivalent in the geometry we see evidence for in the world.

The painting's composition exploits the divisions produced by the geometric construct that defines the arbelos. You can see that here:

This is in no way rare for a painting of this date. Using symbolic geometric armatures was all the rage at this date. "ET In ARCADIA EGO" does have a anagram solution, but only one. "A GENERA DIATONIC". This would seem to want to send us in the direction of considering the key of A in music, as the genera is the key to which a harp/Lyre is tuned. The diatonic scale is the normal musical scale. In terms of similarities, you might want to suggest that there is an octave of characters on the Shugborough monument as well as a grouping of 8 "words" on the fictitious 90 foot stone with 40 characters. The extreme range of the human voice is about 5 octaves. 8x5 does equal 40, so that's at least quite reminiscent of the invention we have been given for the 90 foot stone if we wanted to suggest some sort of inspiration for it. Continuing on the musical theme, A is 440 Hz in our standardized music. In the scientific tuning it is 444 Hz. One could suggest that this is given as a "clue" to 44.4N as a latitude. This may please those who might see a eerie parallel with the fact that 66.6 W of Paris and 44.4N places you smack dab in the middle of Mahone, Bay, NS, on a very interesting Great Circle. 44.4N and 66.6 W are in ratio 3:2 which is the Pythagorean harmonic that underpins all of music. 44.4 +66.6=111, and that is quite harmonious if we consider that all terms are divisible by 11.1 to give us 4, 6 and 10. 4, 6 and 10 are the divisions of the base of the Welling pointer that points N on OI.

Anyway, there is nothing in any of what you mention that involves anything but referencing earlier existing works of esoteric interest. The Bologna monument, Poussin's composition, the Shugborough borrowing and the geometric suggestions at OI mesh quite nicely in terms of symbolism. That is really bad news for anyone who is fond of a treasure story buried by some ruffian(s).

I would argue that the fact that Morris' survey of 1762 aligns so well with the presentation of a similar geometric theme (arbelos based) does inform us about what is going there. Where there are lamentations in other places about the fact that the Christian God has replaced the old pantheon of Gods of Myths, but the exact opposite seems to be suggested at OI by Freemasons. In many ways it is about celebrating what the Welling pointer points to at N, which is a symbol of the Christian God who will rise/come again. That would be the Northern Cross, symbol of the crucifixion, which sets exactly at the Northern horizon each and every day at 44.51N. It is paid homage to on land by a cross that points along the heading of the great circle to Jerusalem. OI is about finding your bearings in many ways, it would seem. Its terrestrial bearings are being appreciated for their symbolic value to promote the Freemasonic views contained in the Holy Royal Arch degree which was contained in the colonial era Freemasonry (the 4th adjunct degree).

1762 is a perfectly fair guess for when the surveying was done if we had not been given it precisely by history. Charles Morris did it in his role of surveyor general. By all appearance it is retelling a story that Morris had been initiated to by Erasmus James Philipps who brought Freemasonry to NS in 1742. In many ways OI has lost it's meaning for the masses and it is only too appropriate that something that was once used to promote a burning Christian piety has been turned for us into a cautionary tale about digging for lucre and losing one's life for material wealth in the process. Thomas Haliburton likened the moral we should take from the OI story to Bunyan's 17th century work, "The Pilgrim's Progress" in 1847. Do not die buried in a shaft on a hill of lucre looking for what no man can even name, and do not go off the straight and narrow path into the mud of the swamp looking for what might be buried there, else you drown in the mud. How well did he understand what was going to come out of the Archibald's stories at OI?