Blowing The Cast Iron Lids Off Of Beale

[Benjamin Gates]

ECS is doubling knotting the boxing gloves because the last word is apparently important.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

Its known as forcing information to fit a pet theory, as Beale researcher Brad Andrews has warned.

Aka "Shoe-Horning"...?

 

[bigscoop]

ECS is doubling knotting the boxing gloves because the last word is apparently important.[/QUOTE

Thomas Beale Sr. secured the sell of his Uptown Plantation to Jr. in 1819, the same year of the first alleged deposit. But why sell? Thomas Beale Sr. had been the Register of Wills so he fully understood the importance and purpose of those legal papers. If he had been sick then why not just will all of this to Jr instead of selling it to him? Why the rush to sell these holdings? Why did Sr feel the need to avoid the whole issue of a will and legal heirs? What circumstance or situation could have influenced, if not mandated, this sell?

 

[ECS]

Thomas Beale Sr. secured the sell of his Uptown Plantation to Jr. in 1819, the same year of the first alleged deposit. But why sell?...

So it could match an Adams-Onis signing date and provide another unrelated "connexion".

 

[ECS]

ECS is doubling knotting the boxing gloves because the last word is apparently important.

Do you have some actual information to add to this discussion, BG?
Like the obvious missing link on how the pirates of Galveston and New Orleans relate to the 1885 Beale Papers story?
Or, if Jim Bowie who conducted slave trade business with the Lafittes will be included in this "all in one"?

 

[franklin]

Just as I expected, you can't offer any topic related rebuttal because you don't possess any, your only option then being the repeated references to outdated post and your fictional dime novel "speculations" that are now in serious jeopardy. The questions I have posed in this thread have been with design and purpose, the lack of replies simply confirming that there is still "a whole lot" of information to be explored before one can even begin to debate those topics. Only when those topics have been thoroughly research can someone begin to debate them. Obviously you've not done this.

So tell me, who did Jr. list as beneficiary in his will?
What year did Sr. transfer his estate holdings to Jr and your thoughts on why he did so?

Dig deep into all of your knowledge on these subjects and tell me what you think so we can hold "topic related" debate if need be.

Jr. left no Will that is why his mother came down from Virginia to make a claim against his estate.

 

[Benjamin Gates]

Do you have some actual information to add to this discussion, BG?

ECS, I am...like you, sitting around this campfire too. I would like to hear more of what bigscoop is trying to convey, and less of your impatience.
When bigscoop has finished...and you disagree...by all means communicate your posts, you are entitled to your opinion too.

 

[bigscoop]

Jr. left no Will that is why his mother came down from Virginia to make a claim against his estate.

That's right, he didn't leave a will.....try to retain this for a moment as you consider the following; As for the mother and her claim "after her son died" four years later, if she was so concerned about her "legitimate heirs" as she claimed in her suit, which was the basis of her suit, then why didn't she file that suit the minute her husband sold those properties to Jr in 1819? Why did she wait until after Jr's death? Her entire claim was that Sr had sold the property to Jr in an illegal fashion, so why wait until Jr. was dead, four years after the fact, to file her suit? And, why did Sr sell the properties to Jr in the first place instead of simply willing it to him?

 

[ECS]

ECS, I am...like you, sitting around this campfire too. I would like to hear more of what bigscoop is trying to convey, and less of your impatience.
When bigscoop has finished...and you disagree...by all means communicate your posts, you are entitled to your opinion too.

Bigscoop and I have been going around like this for a couple of years- what appears as impatience to you is just that he has presented all of this many, many times before, every time ending with the same none resolution of the matter, only to recycle the same information, as is apparent with this thread, into a "new story behind the Beale story theory".

The very basic point that is ignored in these story behind the Beale story is why would someone go to the trouble of creating a manuscript that has nothing to do with these "alternative theory stories" contact Ward to act as copyright agent and publisher while the author remains unknown.

 

[franklin]

That's right, he didn't leave a will.....try to retain this for a moment as you consider the following; As for the mother and her claim "after her son died" four years later, if she was so concerned about her "legitimate heirs" as she claimed in her suit, which was the basis of her suit, then why didn't she file that suit the minute her husband sold those properties to Jr in 1819? Why did she wait until after Jr's death? Her entire claim was that Sr had sold the property to Jr in an illegal fashion, so why wait until Jr. was dead, four years after the fact, to file her suit? And, why did Sr sell the properties to Jr in the first place instead of simply willing it to him?

First, bigscoop, Jr. was an illegitimate son and his mother was Chloe Delaney. Sr.'s wife, Celeste took up the court cases because of her legitimate children being left out because of her husband selling to his illegitimate son which is against the law in New Orleans.

Second, Chloe Delaney filed a separate case after Sr.'s wife, Celeste filed her claim because she was heir by her son buying the properties from Sr. That is the reason there were so many court battles. And that is the reason she did not file the court case in 1819 because her husband Sr. was still living and because he may not have told her about the sale.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

First, bigscoop, Jr. was an illegitimate son and his mother was Chloe Delaney. Sr.'s wife, Celeste took up the court cases because of her legitimate children being left out because of her husband selling to his illegitimate son which is against the law in New Orleans.

Second, Chloe Delaney filed a separate case after Sr.'s wife, Celeste filed her claim because she was heir by her son buying the properties from Sr. That is the reason there were so many court battles. And that is the reason she did not file the court case in 1819 because her husband Sr. was still living and because he may not have told her about the sale.

To clarify, Chloe & Thomas Beale, Sr. were NEVER married...

 

[bigscoop]

First, bigscoop, Jr. was an illegitimate son and his mother was Chloe Delaney. Sr.'s wife, Celeste took up the court cases because of her legitimate children being left out because of her husband selling to his illegitimate son which is against the law in New Orleans.

Second, Chloe Delaney filed a separate case after Sr.'s wife, Celeste filed her claim because she was heir by her son buying the properties from Sr. That is the reason there were so many court battles. And that is the reason she did not file the court case in 1819 because her husband Sr. was still living and because he may not have told her about the sale.

Now we're debating and discussing a point of topic, and you are correct, which is my point. "Sr. died in 1820 and from that point on it became apparent that Jr had control of Uptown." So if she was in protest of this then why didn't she file suit in 1820? Why did she wait until Jr had died? She waited until Jr had died because that's when she discovered that Jr. had no will and that the property/assets weren't going to stay in the family. My point is this, she had to of known that Sr sold the Uptown to Jr in 1819 and she was apparently OK with that, but when Jr died all of that changed because there was no will. Do you see where this is all going? In other words, "why was she ok with the sale of the property for four years?" Probably because she was getting something from it, that arrangement coming to an abrupt end when Jr. died, this being why she filed suit. But the real question is why did Sr sell the property to Jr in the first place? Why didn't he will it to him? This is the real issue.

 

[bigscoop]

Why did Sr abruptly sell the property to Jr instead of willing it to him? That is the issue that needs to be addressed. There is a reason.....

 

[bigscoop]

The Uptown Plantation was the Beale family cash cow, Sr making sure that everybody of interest got their cut, including his ex-wife. When he transferred that property to Jr, something he had to do, that cash cow kept to the routine. But when Jr. unexpectedly died that cash cow quit functioning, which is why the suit was filed. This also explaining why she didn't file that suit until Jr died. That cash cow, and the true nature of its business, being part of that secret that had been limited to just a small circle of immediate family and one trusted friend.


The reason Thomas Beale Sr had to sell that property all goes back to the St. Louis Corporation and the position it found itself in when the Adams Onis Treaty put in effect the end of the company's enterprise, Sr having to make good on the plantation that had actually been made possible by that corporation's activities. So in other words, even though Sr's name was on that property the Uptown had actually been part of the corporation's hidden assets/holdings. By selling the Uptown to Jr - Sr was actually doing what was required, turning that corporate holding into cash while at the same time preserving the family cash flow for as long as he could, or until which time the corporation finally paid on his closing shares. But Sr died, and then Jr, which ended the cash cow payouts and also left those “secret shares” without a benefactor. This is why nothing was filed against the selling of the plantation to Jr until 1824, because until his unexpected death things had continued to function just as they had prior to the sale. This also explains why there were no wills, because that secret corporate holding couldn't actually be willed.

 

[ECS]

...and all of this had to do with a Beale treasure vault in Bedford county that caused an "unknown author" to contact James Beverly Ward out of the blue and convinced him to copyright and publish a manuscript that has nothing to do with what you have posted about UPTOWN.

 

[bigscoop]

...and all of this had to do with a Beale treasure vault in Bedford county that caused an "unknown author" to contact James Beverly Ward out of the blue and convinced him to copyright and publish a manuscript that has nothing to do with what you have posted about UPTOWN.

....Dude, read what you just posted, I mean, really read it. "The unknown author contacted Ward out of the blue"........as if you know this was the case. Good lord, man, how, dare I ask, have you come to such certain conclusion? You know what, I don't even want to know how you've managed such conclusion, a far-far cry from how you use to debate issues with credible points. Good lord, could it be that you have finally encountered a credible area of research and proposed solution that goes beyond all of the local lore, legend, and romance? "Men to arms! Men to arms! Save Virginia! Save our local lore and romance! Damn this northern aggressor!"

 

[ECS]

Dude, read what you just posted, I mean, really read it. "The unknown author contacted Ward out of the blue"as if you know this was the case. Good lord, man, how, dare I ask, have you come to such certain conclusion?...

Reckon the same way you come up with all these fantastic theories.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The Uptown Plantation was the Beale family cash cow, Sr making sure that everybody of interest got their cut, including his ex-wife. When he transferred that property to Jr, something he had to do, that cash cow kept to the routine. But when Jr. unexpectedly died that cash cow quit functioning, which is why the suit was filed. This also explaining why she didn't file that suit until Jr died. That cash cow, and the true nature of its business, being part of that secret that had been limited to just a small circle of immediate family and one trusted friend.


The reason Thomas Beale Sr had to sell that property all goes back to the St. Louis Corporation and the position it found itself in when the Adams Onis Treaty put in effect the end of the company's enterprise, Sr having to make good on the plantation that had actually been made possible by that corporation's activities. So in other words, even though Sr's name was on that property the Uptown had actually been part of the corporation's hidden assets/holdings. By selling the Uptown to Jr - Sr was actually doing what was required, turning that corporate holding into cash while at the same time preserving the family cash flow for as long as he could, or until which time the corporation finally paid on his closing shares. But Sr died, and then Jr, which ended the cash cow payouts and also left those “secret shares” without a benefactor. This is why nothing was filed against the selling of the plantation to Jr until 1824, because until his unexpected death things had continued to function just as they had prior to the sale. This also explains why there were no wills, because that secret corporate holding couldn't actually be willed.

CORRECTION: Thomas Beale, Sr. & Chloe were NEVER married; therefore, she could NEVER be an "ex-wife"...

 

[bigscoop]

CORRECTION: Thomas Beale, Sr. & Chloe were NEVER married; therefore, she could NEVER be an "ex-wife"...

Doesn't matter.....she was the mother of Sr.'s legitimate children, as was concluded and accepted in court, as was her main charge in the filing of her suit. That suit was all about legitimate heirs VS illegitimate heirs.

 

[ECS]

But what does this have to do with the alleged Beale treasure vault in Bedford county, NOTHING!