Blowing The Cast Iron Lids Off Of Beale

[ECS]

HA! The final ending of the Beale Expedition "story" is VIRGINIA! Who cares but YOU about the "in between junk"... KEEP IT SIMPLE!

Like the "unknown author" did.

 

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[bigscoop]

HA! The final ending of the Beale Expedition "story" is VIRGINIA! Who cares but YOU about the "in between junk"... KEEP IT SIMPLE!

The end is the result of the beginning. The author knew the beginning and what lead to the end so he understood the end. Today folks are still looking for the end with no care whatsoever for what lead to it. You have zero chance of understanding the end without knowing what lead to it, what made it possible.

 

[ECS]

... Nowhere in this thread or in current theory or presentation have I even hinted to Mexico Sherman, Patterson, or whatever else you continue to bring into these threads...

You continue to bring all manner of "new" people into the Beale story that according to you were somehow involved, it becomes obvious why those letters were sent to Morriss-he was the only person at that time who didn't know or wasn't involved with the story.

 

[bigscoop]

You continue to bring all manner of "new" people into the Beale story that according to you were somehow involved, it becomes obvious why those letters were sent to Morriss-he was the only person at that time who didn't know or wasn't involved with the story.

Like I said, quit living in the past, "progress" and "evolve" forward. Here again you're still attempting to incorporate the old with the new and present. When was the last time you presented anything new to your own very thin theory that you claim to be fact, that "Ward's pamphlet was just a fictional dime novel based on the Risque family?" Been a long time since you've made any effort to build on that thin claim. You still can't establish that Ward had anything to do with the pamphlet other then to act as it's agent, just as the pamphlet suggest was the case. To this day you still can't establish that all of the required materials were indeed in grandpa Risque's fabulous library, and that Ward used those materials? To date you still can't connect any of these family members to the narration that Ward represented. And so on and so on. Have you not presented any of this because those connections don't actually exist? Is this why you've stopped looking, why your personal pet theory has stopped progressing forward?

Time to look in the mirror, my friend, time to quit calling yourself out each time you post in attack on others. As you attempt to point out each time you post, just claiming, "It is a fictional dime novel for parlor entertainment based on the Risque extended family" isn't good enough, you actually need to be able to backup your claims with direct connection to the narration. And another self check for you, "Risque extended family" is pretty much including just about everyone the county, and then some, so who's really pulling meaningless data from a pool of all manner of people?

Once again your own aggressive nature has turned the light on you, not everyone else. "Think before you post. Apply what you post to yourself as well."

 

[bigscoop]

"I ask you, Louisianans, can we place any confidence in the honor of men who have courted an alliance with pirates and robbers?"

The above is Andrew Jackson voicing his concerns in regards to forming an alliance with the privateers in question prior to the battle of New Orleans. This reply was made when the proposition of "pardons in return for service" was first being considered. Soon after those negotiations began and became a reality, all of this taking place before the battle of New Orleans, not after, as so many are inclined to report and to believe.

 

[ECS]

Like I said, quit living in the past, "progress" and "evolve" forward. Here again you're still attempting to incorporate the old with the new and present. When was the last time you presented anything new to your own very thin theory that you claim to be fact, that "Ward's pamphlet was just a fictional dime novel based on the Risque family?" Been a long time since you've made any effort to build on that thin claim. You still can't establish that Ward had anything to do with the pamphlet other then to act as it's agent, just as the pamphlet suggest was the case. To this day you still can't establish that all of the required materials were indeed in grandpa Risque's fabulous library, and that Ward used those materials? To date you still can't connect any of these family members to the narration that Ward represented...

... As you attempt to point out each time you post, just claiming, "It is a fictional dime novel for parlor entertainment based on the Risque extended family" isn't good enough, you actually need to be able to backup your claims with direct connection to the narration...

One can not add something "new" to a prove a work of fiction is just that, a work of fiction.
Then again, maybe you can., throw in some new names and locations, and of course add some pirates.
Now , Bigscoop, you well know that I have discussed ALL the influences that were incorporated into the creation of the Beale story, yes events from that Risqué bloodline, but also from journals of that period, including Lewis & Clark and E F Beale, as well as newspaper stories of gold, silver, and jewelry found in a cave to the Swift mine and other treasure legends, that I have backed up to the narration.
Where are your pirates and sea voyages in the narration?
Also, as you well know, I have listed all those who were involved in the creation, copyright, printing, publishing , advertising, and sale of the 1885 Beale Papers.
...and who have you claimed was the "unknown author" of the Beale Papers?
Is it still Jackson Ward Alderman Thomas J Beale of Richmond, born a freeman of color in 1823?
You can't prove this current theory as well as your earlier theories, so you go on the attack when questioned, and disparage others.
Really, have you looked into a mirror recently?

 

[bigscoop]

One can not add something "new" to a prove a work of fiction is just that, a work of fiction.
Now , Bigscoop, you well know that I have discussed ALL the influences that were incorporated into the creation of the Beale story,.....

Yes, but you can't prove any of it to be true/accurate, it's just your take, or personal opinion, in regards to the narration. This is what you're failing to understand when you repeatedly address what you see to be lacking of others," that you lack all of the same requested requirements that you insist must be present", and yet you continue to claim so absolutely that you have the correct and final solution, as if you have all of these requirements, which you clearly do not. So face it, in some regards you even less, your entire summed up by the extremely broad term, "influences" extracted from and extremely broad pool of family and claimed "influences." If this is all you have to barter with in the end then Eldo could easily say that the stars served as influence as well because someone in the Risque family some some, and of course, due to your own claim of "influences", you would have to accept his proposal. Just saying,....don't be so critical of others when "you perceive them" to be doing just exactly as you have done.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The end is the result of the beginning. The author knew the beginning and what lead to the end so he understood the end. Today folks are still looking for the end with no care whatsoever for what lead to it. You have zero chance of understanding the end without knowing what lead to it, what made it possible.

Eh...? LAWDY!

 

[ECS]

Yes, but you can't prove any of it to be true/accurate, it's just your take, or personal opinion, in regards to the narration... Just saying,....don't be so critical of others when "you perceive them" to be doing just exactly as you have done.

Just like you, I post what my research reveals, open to comments. One can take it or leave, or , better still, follow up on the information.
Now, are you claiming that you are not critical of others that are doing exactly as you have done?
PS: I have yet seen you or anyone else disprove the connections to the Beale narrative that I have posted with a truly researched intelligent rebuttal.
Decrying a "fabulous library does not fall into the category of an intelligent rebuttal.

 

[bigscoop]

Just like you, I post what my research reveals, open to comments. One can take it or leave, or , better still, follow up on the information.

Hu... Gee....sort of exactly what I've been suggesting lately. ............

 

[ECS]

...and open for rebuttal.

 

[bigscoop]

"rebuttal"....yes.

 

[ECS]

"I ask you, Louisianans, can we place any confidence in the honor of men who have courted an alliance with pirates and robbers?"

The above is Andrew Jackson voicing his concerns in regards to forming an alliance with the privateers in question prior to the battle of New Orleans. This reply was made when the proposition of "pardons in return for service" was first being considered. Soon after those negotiations began and became a reality, all of this taking place before the battle of New Orleans, not after, as so many are inclined to report and to believe.

When Andrew Jackson voiced his concerns and negotiated with the pirates, was his Aide de Camp, Major James Beverly Risqué also in attendance?

 

[bigscoop]

When Andrew Jackson voiced his concerns and negotiated with the pirates, was his Aide de Camp, Major James Beverly Risqué also in attendance?

Probably above his pay grade/rank but possible, I suppose. Most of those involved were either lawyers or city, state, and United States officials. Richard Rush was involved, as were Monroe and Jackson and Claiborne, etc.

 

[bigscoop]

But I really think, as I have voiced before, the real connection of Morriss and Beale in all of this is going to be discovered in their business affairs. This I'll explain in more detail later.

I don't have "all" of these communications but certainly more then enough to establish what went down with those pardons. And as for Jackson's "invasion" of Florida you'll want to search for "Rhea + Monroe + burnt letter", this testimony claiming that Jackson's invasion of Florida was a sanctioned action. Not closely related to the mystery at hand and yet closely related to areas leading to what is being discussed.

 

[bigscoop]

Sorry fellas, but the manner in which I am introducing certain things into this thread has to be done as I am doing it now, this then eventually allowing you to make better and easier understanding of some of the things I have previously posted. In the end it will all come together and make that connection I know you want to hear now. Unfortunately, it just ain't that simple.

 

[franklin]

bigscoop you and ECS are starving me to death. I mean I keep seeing the animals running in front of me but no one kills, cleans and cook the meat. I see it running by but nothing to eat. When are you going to COOK?

 

[ECS]

... And as for Jackson's "invasion" of Florida you'll want to search for "Rhea + Monroe + burnt letter", this testimony claiming that Jackson's invasion of Florida was a sanctioned action. Not closely related to the mystery at hand and yet closely related to areas leading to what is being discussed.

Are you saying it wasn't sanctioned?

 

[ECS]

bigscoop you and ECS are starving me to death. I mean I keep seeing the animals running in front of me but no one kills, cleans and cook the meat. I see it running by but nothing to eat. When are you going to COOK?

Well you know what is said about two many cooks! So pack your lunch, its going to take some time.

 

[bigscoop]

Are you saying it wasn't sanctioned?

I'm sure the administration was fully aware of what was going to happen when they turned Jackson loose on Florida.