Blowing The Cast Iron Lids Off Of Beale

... In the end it will all come together and make that connection I know you want to hear now. Unfortunately, it just ain't that simple.
The really BIG "connexion" after this not so simple convoluted pirate story, is the reason this "unknown author" contacted Morriss during the "2nd year of the Confederate War", got his story and possibly the "alleged" letters that the whole tale is based, goes to Richmond due to urgent business, then returns to Lynchburg 20 years later to talk James Beverly Ward into copyrighting and publishing his manuscript of "authentic statements" on Ward's dime.
Then Ward takes this manuscript to his cousin John William Sherman and the Virginia Print Shop who prints up copies, advertises the dime novel pamphlet in Button's LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN newspaper , has copies for sale at Max Guggenheimer's store, and then, when assailed by the families whose names were mentioned in the job pamphlet, the unsold copies are burned in a stove- all with money fronted by Ward.
Then, after all this, what became of this "unknown author"?
Now, dear reader, if you were contacted by someone with a manuscript with unsolved ciphers that when solved would lead to a buried treasure in your hometown, and this person wanted to remain unknown so he contacts you to act as copyright agent and publisher for his manuscript, and get to foot the bill for all costs, would you do it?
 

"Unknown Author"...? DEAD of a Heart Attack in early 1885...
 

The really BIG "connexion" after this not so simple convoluted pirate story, is the reason this "unknown author" contacted Morriss during the "2nd year of the Confederate War", got his story and possibly the "alleged" letters that the whole tale is based, goes to Richmond due to urgent business, then returns to Lynchburg 20 years later to talk James Beverly Ward into copyrighting and publishing his manuscript of "authentic statements" on Ward's dime.
Then Ward takes this manuscript to his cousin John William Sherman and the Virginia Print Shop who prints up copies, advertises the dime novel pamphlet in Button's LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN newspaper , has copies for sale at Max Guggenheimer's store, and then, when assailed by the families whose names were mentioned in the job pamphlet, the unsold copies are burned in a stove- all with money fronted by Ward.
Then, after all this, what became of this "unknown author"?
Now, dear reader, if you were contacted by someone with a manuscript with unsolved ciphers that when solved would lead to a buried treasure in your hometown, and this person wanted to remain unknown so he contacts you to act as copyright agent and publisher for his manuscript, and get to foot the bill for all costs, would you do it?

From memory, I'm sure there are threads that discuss this very loose theory/topic/subject matter. If you can't find them just start another as none of what you posted is consistent to the current topic/subject/theory of this thread. This is generally what folks do when they want to discuss different topics/theories/subjects, etc. :icon_thumright:
 

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... In the end it will all come together and make that connection I know you want to hear now...
Bigscoop, it is a part of this discussion, being the part that brought this story forth in the first place.
Be it Adams-Onis, Pirates in Galveston and New Orleans, or a Jackson Ward Alderman, the true beginning of this tale is when it was published and put on sale, and how it reached this development is the real connection that needs to be addressed.
It's all meat off the same bone, no matter how it is cooked.
 

"Unknown Author"...? DEAD of a Heart Attack in early 1885...
DOD: February 21, 1885; shortly before "BPP" was published. "Google" Ferdinand C. Hutter, ANONYMOUS Author of Ward's Pamphlet. Even PV has a chapter on him... Chapter 20; Hidden Talent in THE BEALE TREASURE: New History of a MYSTERY, pg. 157-163. VMI is the WHOLE KEY to this MYSTERY. Even PV was working on that "premise"...
 

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Bigscoop, it is a part of this discussion, being the part that brought this story forth in the first place.
Be it Adams-Onis, Pirates in Galveston and New Orleans, or a Jackson Ward Alderman, the true beginning of this tale is when it was published and put on sale, and how it reached this development is the real connection that needs to be addressed.
It's all meat off the same bone, no matter how it is cooked.

Now the Adams Onis Treaty and Galveston and Privateering have certainly been part of the topic/subject being discussed, but your previous post was completely outside of this thread's topic of discussion. If you have some contrary info to debate and discuss in regards to the subject of this thread I'd love to hear it. But don't just keep screaming theories of fiction, fiction, fiction and introducing an entire array of elements that have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of discussion at hand. If you're going to debate the topic of this thread then, please do so, I'd really like that, in fact. But if all you want to do is to continue to try to derail the topic of this thread by introducing elements that having nothing to do with the topic of discussion then simply start another thread, just as I and others have done many times. I mean it is site policy to try to stay on thread topic and there's good reason for that, though in recent years it's been more and more difficult to maintain. :icon_thumright:
 

So you can not connect this current theory to the "unknown author" who "talked" Ward into copyrighting and publishing this Beale story.
Without that connection it casts a pallor on any proposed theory, the exception being that it is a work of fiction.
...and yes, this is germane to the topic.
 

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So you can not connect this current theory to the "unknown author" who "talked" Ward into copyrighting and publishing this Beale story.
Without that connection it casts a pallor on any proposed theory, the exception being that it is a work of fiction.
...and yes, this is germane to the topic.
YEP! Cousin to Cousin (Hutter/Ward); GRANDSONS of JAMES BEVERLY RISQUE...
 

So you can not connect this current theory to the "unknown author" who "talked" Ward into copyrighting and publishing this Beale story.
Without that connection it casts a pallor on any proposed theory, the exception being that it is a work of fiction.
...and yes, this is germane to the topic.

So you didn't read post 136....:laughing7:
And again, think about what you post as it must be applied to yourself/your theory as well. Seems you're just destined to continue to set requirements/standards that trash your own theory. :laughing7:
 

What do you know about the "Uptown" and the Merchants and Planters?
 

So what do we know about the activities at Galveston Island in the years 1817 to 1821? Well, a lot more then we once did. Whether any of this actually applies to the Beale narration can never be satisfactorily concluded until the explanation in C1 is know and made public, however, the case at Galveston Island certainly stands as a strong possibility as to the actual source behind the narration. So let's take a dedicated and detailed look at just exactly what was taking place at Isle of St. Louis, or, Island of the Serpent, or, Island of the Snake, or, Snake Island, as is was often referenced.

As we all know this island became home to privateers and smugglers, first by D'Aury and then reorganized on April 15[SUP]th[/SUP], 1817, when the form of island government was amended by the St. Louis Company, this company actually having been created sometime before in New Orleans.

The goal of this company was a risky one that pivoted on two ideals, the first being to gain capital by the ransacking of Spanish commerce in the Gulf and then to put those gains into the St. Louis Company's coffers to fund the second ideal, this being to establish a major city and major port of entry into the west once the United States gained Texas. Little did they image that the United States would end up sacrificing Texas with the culmination of the Adams Onis Treaty, the dagger that eventually brought their enterprise to an unimaginable end. But it is the years in between that are of most interest to us, those years when the capital funding and company assets were being acquired in the Gulf.

Like any well run business the St. Louis Company had it's board of directors and stock holders, everything else stemming from this in the form of employees and third party interest, or business associates, if you will. According to article three of the new amendments, established on April 15[SUP]th[/SUP], 1817; “Only those who had been part of the original company before April 15[SUP]th[/SUP], 1817, would enjoy the benefits of that prior arrangement/contract.” So in essence, even before this April 15[SUP]th[/SUP], 1817 date the company and it's business had already existed and it continued to gain assets and funding at least until 1821 when the Adams Onis Treaty was finally ratified. This is where we need to focus, on all of that capital that was being generated through this company's vast privateering and smuggling network.
So let's take a look at this vast smuggling network.

Merchandise, regardless what it was it had to be sold in order to turn that merchandise into capital. Now without going into great length everyone who has ever researched this subject knows that Galveston Island was the central hub of the Laffite's vast smuggling network and that hundreds if not thousands of captured slaves were sold through this network, as well as other forms of merchandise. It is a historical fact that these slaves and merchandise, including some of the captured ships, were sold at various auctions and that these auctions were held at a variety of locations in the south, many of these auctions even being held in secret. Now consider what all was involved in bringing these auctions to fruition. So now let's look at this subject.

The one thing a seller of merchandise needs more anything else is buyers, buyers with enough free capital and need to attend these auctions. So basically we're talking about folks with money to burn, those influential types who can afford the traveling expenses and purchases. And this, I truly believe, is where businessmen like Thomas Beale and Morriss enter the picture. You see, in order to secure these desired buyers then certain aspects of that business have to be in place, such as lodging for your buyers and their agents, many of whom have traveled some distance to attend your auctions with advanced notice, these folks demanding your utmost attention, patronage and care. Without buyers you have nothing, just a bunch of merchandise you can't unload above giveaway prices, if that. So above everything else, in order for these auctions to work you had to have buyers, happy and comfortable buyers who were willing to bid satisfactory dollars on that merchandise. Both Morriss and Beale were associated with top of the line hotels where all of the comforts existed.

This brings us to the Uptown Plantation, the Merchant and Planters Hotel, and the establishment outlined in the narration allegedly operated by Morriss. As previously noted in past post/threads, Lynchburg, “Richmond”, and New Orleans all held active slave auctions during the period. Now this, by itself, certainly establishes nothing, nor does the fact that Thomas Beale was a slave owner. However, things begin to start materializing when it is discovered that the Uptown was also the site of New Orleans slave auctions. And as for the “Merchants and Planters” Hotel that Jr. eventually established after his father had conveyed his Upton Plantation to him, well, things start to get pretty darn suspect and interesting, indeed. I mean, who were the typical purchasers of slaves? Planters and Merchants, perhaps? Now if what I'm outlining is true/accurate, which I believe it is, then this would put these Beales in the slave trafficking business, the same business that was pouring out of Galveston Island.

Now then, Thomas Beale Sr. passes away in 1820 and Jr. in 1823, just one year past the conclusion of the alleged Beale events in the narration and just two years past the last date of deposit and the ratification of the Adams Onis Treaty, which effectively ended those smuggling activities from that location. And we know that a large sum of money in the form of a trust had been secured away for a term of “no longer then” ten-years. If this money was the result of the activities stemming from Galveston Island then why was it placed in trust for a period of ten-years? Two reasons quickly come forth that could easily explain this ten-year term.

First, even though the activities at Galveston Island came to an end with the signing of said treaty there was still no guarantee that the treaty would remain in force. In fact, it was even anticipated that future difficulties over those same borders would be met again once Mexico gained it's liberty from Spanish rule, this event being anticipated to happen in immediate years. So by maintaining the company's asset in trust this same enterprise could be easily established again at Galveston Island should the opportunity and/or need present itself. Even the administration was anticipating the very real possibility that this same battle over those borders was likely to take place all over again, and, they also still had their eye set on all of Texas. This is one very acceptable reason.

The second reason is because Galveston Island wasn't he only hub of activity as the St. Louis Corporation held warehouses and unfinished business affairs in New Orleans and all up and down the east coast, etc., the merchandise/assets in these warehouses and the unfinished business affairs having to be concluded before the company's closing net worth could be determined and applied fairly to each of the original shareholders. So if Thomas Beale and his named heir, Jr., had comprised one of those original share holders what happens to their shares if they are both dead before the close of business and those final drafts on their shares of the company's closing net worth?

From what I have been able to ascertain from record Thomas Beale conveyed his estate to Jr., this leading up to that costly and extended court battle over that estate. And as for Jr., well, who was named in his will?

Now before you jump all over me let me tell you that there is far less blind speculation in this then you might think, as those who wish to “follow up” on all of this might well discover. Something else worth noting; many accounts from the period, and those describing the period, often define the services of these “hotels” as being places “where businessmen often gathered to conduct their business affairs.”
 

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“Construct, Explore, Colonize”......when we “pick away all the meat to these bones” this can be translated into, “Money! Money! Money!” because that's what was required to do all of them.

If the goal of the St. Louis Company was to create a city and port of entry into the new west, which we know it was, then this required money, and in such isolation this also required money to be kept on hand, or a treasury, if you will.

First hand accounts of Galveston island are interesting, one writer concluding that there was no gold and yet in the same breath they speak of the traders who appear to trade their goods for gold. Odd that traders would travel such distance to trade their goods for gold in a place where there was none. Actually this paradox that the writer penned can be explained.

The writer of this information wasn't actually part of Galveston Island, rather they had been part of the Champ D'Asile enterprise, an entirely different enterprise, the time the writer had spent at Galveston Island being limited to only their initial arrival at that way-point and then upon their desperate return after Champ d'Asile had been abandoned. In truth this writer had never spent any measurable time at Galveston, their comments in regards the presence of gold, or lack of it, in reference to Champ D'Asile and not Galveston Island.

And in fact we know that some measure of a treasury was maintained at Galveston Island, we just don't know how large or small it might have actually been. We know that there existed a means of accurate record keeping and that transactions were conducted in both cash and credit and share based arrangements, and quite honestly, any attempt to track any of this is way beyond my personal level of knowledge in that area of business. But we do know the basic infrastructure that was in place and we do know that these transactions reached far and wide as well as locally.

So now begins the death sentence, word that the 1818 signing of the Adams Onis Treaty had forfeited your precious Galveston Island location and enterprise back to Spain, this reality only allowing you until 1821 to continue your operations unless some miracle event took place that would nullify the certain agreement. Now what?

Well, basically you have two years to prepare the inevitable end, ex-interim Secretary of War and big banker George Graham, the man Washington considered to be their number one “go to guy”, arriving on the scene bringing word of that inevitable end and offering his assistance in wrapping up affairs. Graham spends several days at Galveston Island before returning to Washington. Not long after this we see the first Beale deposit being made, or roughly half of the Galveston Island/St. Louis Company's cash assets. And in 1821, with nearly exact precision, we see the second Beale deposit shortly after the Adams Onis Treaty is ratified and operations at Galveston Island have been shut down.

“Ten-years”.....just in case operations at Galveston Island needed to be resumed and also enough time to conclude outstanding business affairs and to sell off the remainder of the company's assets.

Now once you get your head wrapped around “all” of these complicated elements that I've been explaining in this thread you will be better prepared to understand that seemingly bazaar court case involving the Beale estate.
 

WHERE did THIS info come from...? Doing REVISIONIST "history" for the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet...? Dunno...
 

Well, Bigscoop, you have managed to combine all your previous theories into this new "all in one" theory.
Still, as with those that came before, all the historical references you have employed to connect to the Beale story, are total speculation on your part.
You do realize, that except for the name "Thomas Beale" nothing in the two above posts are mentioned in the Beale Papers, or have anything to do with the Beale story narrative contained therein.
To make this, or any of the many alternative theories that stray beyond the presented Beale story, is proving that tenuous connexion to James Beverly Ward and the motivation to spend his money to copyright and publish the job pamphlet in the first place.
Without that provenance, whatever historical "story" one wants to connect to the story presented in Ward's 1885 dime novel, all these theories, while well researched for this presentation, remain, maybe possible and could have.
 

WHERE did THIS info come from...? Doing REVISIONIST "history" for the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet...? Dunno...
Its known as forcing information to fit a pet theory, as Beale researcher Brad Andrews has warned.
 

Its known as forcing information to fit a pet theory, as Beale researcher Brad Andrews has warned.

So far you have presented ZERO rebuttal in the form of contrary information in regards to the topics being discussed. :laughing7: You're just tossing out all manner of desperate speculation and theory as to how you see all of this going. Maybe, and this is just a suggestion, you should attempt to "follow up" in an effort to arm yourself with something worthy of debating in relation to the topics being discussed. :dontknow: Like I said, if you want to introduce new avenues of topic/subject that are not consistent with the present thread then simply start a new thread. This is what most folks do and as is the intended designs of these forums when a different topic/subject of discussion is desiring to be pursued. :icon_thumright:
 

When did Sr transfer his estate holdings to Jr, what year? Do you think he did it because he was ill?
 

So far you have presented ZERO rebuttal in the form of contrary information in regards to the topics being discussed. :laughing7: You're just tossing out all manner of desperate speculation and theory as to how you see all of this going...
It is not I that appears desperate presenting speculative theories piled on top of each other in a gestalt amalgamation to make the whole greater than the separate facts presented to support a pet theory.
No rebuttal required, as I have stated many times over that the story presented in Ward's 1885 Beale Papers is a work of fiction, and you, by you theories of the real story behind the Beale story confirm the fact that the dime novel is a work of fiction.
 

When did Sr transfer his estate holdings to Jr, what year? Do you think he did it because he was ill?

This, and a few other questions I have posed may actually be far more important in this mystery then you realize.
 

It is not I that appears desperate presenting speculative theories piled on top of each other in a gestalt amalgamation to make the whole greater than the separate facts presented to support a pet theory.
No rebuttal required, as I have stated many times over that the story presented in Ward's 1885 Beale Papers is a work of fiction, and you, by you theories of the real story behind the Beale story confirm the fact that the dime novel is a work of fiction.

Just as I expected, you can't offer any topic related rebuttal because you don't possess any, your only option then being the repeated references to outdated post and your fictional dime novel "speculations" that are now in serious jeopardy. The questions I have posed in this thread have been with design and purpose, the lack of replies simply confirming that there is still "a whole lot" of information to be explored before one can even begin to debate those topics. Only when those topics have been thoroughly research can someone begin to debate them. Obviously you've not done this. :icon_thumright:

So tell me, who did Jr. list as beneficiary in his will?
What year did Sr. transfer his estate holdings to Jr and your thoughts on why he did so?

Dig deep into all of your knowledge on these subjects and tell me what you think so we can hold "topic related" debate if need be.
 

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