Ha Ha ! My reference to the wooden kegs was merely letting you know not as the story goes in iron pots with secure lids. Your reply will come. 20102 is a very busy man, and, being quite advanced in age, along with the hundreds of replies there from people with a true interest and many questions, it may take a while. I myself like things quick but the code wasn't worked quick. Trying to relay it to others even slower. If we are wasting your time feel free to ignore the posts no one is forcing you to read them.
BEALE SOLUTION & VAULT LOCATED / OAK ISLAND CONNECTION?/ TEMPLAR GOLD? / WEBSITE ON.
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Ha Ha ! My reference to the wooden kegs was merely letting you know not as the story goes in iron pots with secure lids. Your reply will come. 20102 is a very busy man, and, being quite advanced in age, along with the hundreds of replies there from people with a true interest and many questions, it may take a while. I myself like things quick but the code wasn't worked quick. Trying to relay it to others even slower. If we are wasting your time feel free to ignore the posts no one is forcing you to read them.
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If a big enough group of people can be put together of people knowledge in all things Beal, and yes I left the E out on purpose. We could really give this a go. I will be speaking at a meeting today for our small group. I will pass this by them.
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Now with Crypto back and invoking Laf, if we can get "Justintime" and "Victim of Fate" on this thread with their tales of Beale discovery, the GANG will all be here! 
...and still nothing Beale will be resolved or revealed.
...and still nothing Beale will be resolved or revealed.
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Folks i started to do a new thread but am certain if I did so some would have problems with it and it would just lead to more back and forth bantering. I started to do that because one, while there are similarities to the Oak Island site, there is no proven connection. Two, while there is a strong connection to a Templar in the beginning, there is no actual proof that he knew of the connection. While research positively connects him to the property, and to others involved, it is unprovable as of yet if he was unknowing of the project, involved in it, and if so, whether his involvement was personal or in relation to the K. T. Our research is continuing but we will probably leave it at that, as without proof positive, and probably even with, we are not going to point fingers at any person, nor any organization. Next, We seriously got off on the wrong track. Mistakes were made. The board was hot when i arrived due to the personal mail money raising thing. Everyone was pissed, and rightly so. Several of you made comments I didn't appreciate and I'm certain i made some that offended you. I can apologize and only hope you all will accept it. The way I see it is water under the bridge. I am moving on. That is not my reason for being here. Life is too short and the Beale isn't worth it. We are trying to be considerate to the many Beale treasure fans. The ones who have worked it. I am not interested in nor do i have the time or patience for bickering. Further comments made in an inappropriate manner will simply be ignored. If there are no serious interested people here, which i should be able to judge from the future posts, I will leave you to your own devices as i have many better things to do with my life. The Beale code and it's decipherment is an in depth thing. Put it all on paper in your laps possibly 1 out of 100 might be able to figure it out. Explained, it makes sense, and the further you go the better you understand it. There are a few paths into the codes. Only 1 is correct. Another looks perfect till you are so far lost you have to return to the start. From point A, the beginning, to point B, the end, there are numerous paths, again 1 is correct. The others lead you all over the place. The reason we know this is because we have been on those false paths. You learn the code all along the journey, because the code changes throughout. You will be going along fine then bam, you can go no further, much like getting off on the false paths. I will be happy to explain working out of these false paths, and the changes in the code if I see that I am not just wasting time. The code leads you directly to the entrance. No, there isnt a set of coordinates at the end that says here it is. To begin with, you learn the key. Then you learn other things. Along the way you learn the property. Then within the code there are exact coordinates points. At each one of these the code leads you to believe this is it. End of the game. The codes path stops dead there, impossible to proceed. without the proper input from the clue buried at the coordinate, the code goes nowhere else. You miss one buried clue you are done. Most of these clues were buried on an average of 20 ft deep, laying upon bedrock. We dug a very many tons of dirt, just to aquire the many clues. Each time the code all but yelled THIS IS IT ! THE END", and it would just be another marker, another kick in the rear, but we could again proceed, as long as we found and correctly interpreted the marker. We dig several of these, dead on coordinates as listed in the code, then, we dig, nothing. No marker. Screen tons of dirt thinking we missed it. Nothing. The code had changed. Now the numbers are distances, or bearings, or both. Back up to the last marker, get the bearings off of it. Follow the distance (from numbers in code that had been coordinates before), dig a new hole, and there is the marker, 22 ft down, sitting upon bedrock. One site we were led to looked very promising. Everything in the code stopped here. This is it. We dig down, and find a near lifesize replica of the actual vault location, completly carved/cut into bedrock. This covered an area probably 100 ft by 50 ft. Within this area there was a relief carving of a 4 ft long phoenix, carved into bedrock, a quartz fish inlaid upon his back. 2 lines of bearing were also carved there, also in relief. Relief carvings and Quartz inlay into bedrock !. There was a man on his side, a hammer and chisel in his hands, chipping into the bedrock. And his dog, looking over his shoulder, along with a cryptically pointing wild turkey head upon the mans leg, and the word "DIG". Also several fish, a 16 1/2 inch bare foot, a copy of the vault system and its covering. And the traps. Many of them. Once you figure out the cachers, and their connections, remember to never believe anyone telling you that no large vault buried by this group has ever been found to be trapped, like I did. They are wrong or trying to mislead you. Literally hundreds of hours of back breaking labor by several people just to show you the vault itself was trapped. I will go into the traps in depth at a later date. I will post a pic of one of these carvings, the man and his dog, immediately after this post. I will post more when i have access to my other computer. Anyway, this site (i call the map site as that is what it is), everything on it, and every bearing derived from it, and every single dug clue from the many previous holes, along with the numbers associated (be it bearing, distance, or coordinate numbers) must all be remembered, as when you get to the final location, every single thing will line up and fit with perfection. A couple feet off, in any direction, nothing matches, and the traps end the game. I will post more later if there is any interest. If not, I will leave you to yourselves.
Folks i started to do a new thread but am certain if I did so some would have problems with it and it would just lead to more back and forth bantering. I started to do that because one, while there are similarities to the Oak Island site, there is no proven connection. Two, while there is a strong connection to a Templar in the beginning, there is no actual proof that he knew of the connection. While research positively connects him to the property, and to others involved, it is unprovable as of yet if he was unknowing of the project, involved in it, and if so, whether his involvement was personal or in relation to the K. T. Our research is continuing but we will probably leave it at that, as without proof positive, and probably even with, we are not going to point fingers at any person, nor any organization. Next, We seriously got off on the wrong track. Mistakes were made. The board was hot when i arrived due to the personal mail money raising thing. Everyone was pissed, and rightly so. Several of you made comments I didn't appreciate and I'm certain i made some that offended you. I can apologize and only hope you all will accept it. The way I see it is water under the bridge. I am moving on. That is not my reason for being here. Life is too short and the Beale isn't worth it. We are trying to be considerate to the many Beale treasure fans. The ones who have worked it. I am not interested in nor do i have the time or patience for bickering. Further comments made in an inappropriate manner will simply be ignored. If there are no serious interested people here, which i should be able to judge from the future posts, I will leave you to your own devices as i have many better things to do with my life. The Beale code and it's decipherment is an in depth thing. Put it all on paper in your laps possibly 1 out of 100 might be able to figure it out. Explained, it makes sense, and the further you go the better you understand it. There are a few paths into the codes. Only 1 is correct. Another looks perfect till you are so far lost you have to return to the start. From point A, the beginning, to point B, the end, there are numerous paths, again 1 is correct. The others lead you all over the place. The reason we know this is because we have been on those false paths. You learn the code all along the journey, because the code changes throughout. You will be going along fine then bam, you can go no further, much like getting off on the false paths. I will be happy to explain working out of these false paths, and the changes in the code if I see that I am not just wasting time. The code leads you directly to the entrance. No, there isnt a set of coordinates at the end that says here it is. To begin with, you learn the key. Then you learn other things. Along the way you learn the property. Then within the code there are exact coordinates points. At each one of these the code leads you to believe this is it. End of the game. The codes path stops dead there, impossible to proceed. without the proper input from the clue buried at the coordinate, the code goes nowhere else. You miss one buried clue you are done. Most of these clues were buried on an average of 20 ft deep, laying upon bedrock. We dug a very many tons of dirt, just to aquire the many clues. Each time the code all but yelled THIS IS IT ! THE END", and it would just be another marker, another kick in the rear, but we could again proceed, as long as we found and correctly interpreted the marker. We dig several of these, dead on coordinates as listed in the code, then, we dig, nothing. No marker. Screen tons of dirt thinking we missed it. Nothing. The code had changed. Now the numbers are distances, or bearings, or both. Back up to the last marker, get the bearings off of it. Follow the distance (from numbers in code that had been coordinates before), dig a new hole, and there is the marker, 22 ft down, sitting upon bedrock. One site we were led to looked very promising. Everything in the code stopped here. This is it. We dig down, and find a near lifesize replica of the actual vault location, completly carved/cut into bedrock. This covered an area probably 100 ft by 50 ft. Within this area there was a relief carving of a 4 ft long phoenix, carved into bedrock, a quartz fish inlaid upon his back. 2 lines of bearing were also carved there, also in relief. Relief carvings and Quartz inlay into bedrock !. There was a man on his side, a hammer and chisel in his hands, chipping into the bedrock. And his dog, looking over his shoulder, along with a cryptically pointing wild turkey head upon the mans leg, and the word "DIG". Also several fish, a 16 1/2 inch bare foot, a copy of the vault system and its covering. And the traps. Many of them. Once you figure out the cachers, and their connections, remember to never believe anyone telling you that no large vault buried by this group has ever been found to be trapped, like I did. They are wrong or trying to mislead you. Literally hundreds of hours of back breaking labor by several people just to show you the vault itself was trapped. I will go into the traps in depth at a later date. I will post a pic of one of these carvings, the man and his dog, immediately after this post. I will post more when i have access to my other computer. Anyway, this site (i call the map site as that is what it is), everything on it, and every bearing derived from it, and every single dug clue from the many previous holes, along with the numbers associated (be it bearing, distance, or coordinate numbers) must all be remembered, as when you get to the final location, every single thing will line up and fit with perfection. A couple feet off, in any direction, nothing matches, and the traps end the game. I will post more later if there is any interest. If not, I will leave you to yourselves.
Carving pic. Man and dog. Complete with chisel, miners hat, drip of sweat on the mans nose. Turkey beak not marked but is carved broken off the turkey,
down on the side of the main carving in line with the pointer coming off the word 'dig' near water level
down on the side of the main carving in line with the pointer coming off the word 'dig' near water level
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Wow. I don't believe it. You actually distracted me from wanting to see the end of the tales trail...
Confessions of a well diggers butt ,bedrock at 20ish feet would be enough for a documentary.
The "map hole" though would top it.
Around 20 feet of depth. 100 X 50 feet ,plus material removed beyond. Yikes.
Could you walk the readers through the planning ,logistics ,and process of such an excavation? Approx tonnage of material, dimensions of excavation at finish ,screening process ,distance from excavation ,cribbing , ect..
From permission , to back fill. A heck of an ambitious project.
Having moved more material than I care to recount...(No pleasure and not related to treasure) The "Map hole" alone would have been a daunting task where avoiding disturbing relics and knowing their exact original position and depth were before being encountered by moving material or touching with tools or anything else.
Still , a production worthy dig if properly documented.
How many examples of such work exists?
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So far, Icehouse, you have neglected to discuss the Ward connection to this mysterious "Brotherhood".
On a previous post, you stated that this "Beale vault" your TEAM BEALE MYSTERY has found is NOT in Bedford county, Virginia as stated on the cover and in the narrative text story and provided "solved" C2 of the BEALE PAPERS, yet the dime novel pamphlet was written AS a Virginia treasure story, with Virginia locations such as Buford's referenced, and advertised and sold ONLY in the limited market of Lynchburg, Virginia.
You have mentioned "wooden kegs, one even repaired, instead of the iron pots mentioned in the pamphlet, yet you have stated that this "Beale vault" has not been opened!
Someone on your TEAM have X-Ray vision?
After the debacle of 81618/Legrand, you do realize the credibility of your TEAM and you is highly questionable, including this current claim of being altruistic for the benefit of all.
Okay, if not mistaken 13 holes. Permission and all excavations agreed upon, and property owners and original partners doing the work. Most holes maybe 20 or 30 feet across (with sloping to prevent caving in on us) around 20 ft deep. No rock, no trash, nothing to be found but clean dirt, at at the bottom, a single clue, most often encased in grey clay. A few of the holes were larger, the map site started as the rest, but as we found more and more, the hole grew to the above stated size, with the last several feet of most of it done with shovels due to our findings and trying to preserve everything as is. Quite large. When we uncovered the originally planned vault location (locals vegetables storage telling you unwanted people knew the location) we had an area probably 40 yards by 50 yards dug to bedrock. The hole blasted into the bedrock by the cachers itself was around 50 ft across, and averaged 10 ft deep. In the bottom of this excavation we found spalled rock, handmade wooden ladders and work platforms, old drilling tools for blasting, and several quarried blocks near 2 ft square by 5 ft long. This site, as mentioned in the codes, was the originally planned burial location. Next big one was where we got off on one of the incorrect paths, that lead us to believe, again, this was certainly it. Nearly 2 weeks, 3 people on machinery, moving about the width of two football fields side by side, to the 75-80 yardline averaging 15 to 20 ft deep. Immense. We changed the landscape. Machinery used was a 120,000 pound trackhoe, a large cat dozer, and the biggest rubber tired backhoe you can haul on a trailer without a permit. In the end, we found not a single thing here, covered it over, backed up in the code, found where we were lead astray, and again proceeded. Talk about busting your bubble this one nearly ended the project for all. Generally, after the first couple shiwed clues deep, we stopped hand digging till around 3 ft from bedrock which was found by steel probe testing every couple buckets. Even with these orecautions we accidently moved a couple pointers but luckily were able to figure it out. Only a couple times were pointers buried shallow. Once, a pointer was accompanied by a plow point. The next marker, the one being pointed to, was 10 inches deep, around plowing depth. Material moved ? That is a joke. We moved over the complete course of the project no doubt over 1 million cubic yards in my opinion. Every year we spent the hot months digging. Sometimes weeks on end, every day, all day. And to think the cachers did all this with horses, mules, and drag pans. All holes save the vault hole have been documented along with everything found, and returned to their near beforehand appearance. Seems insane i'm sure but this is how sure we were of our wirk. We were intent on proving it, and working it to the end, although, like i said above there was a time or two we were 50/50 on throwing in the towel. By the time we both sat up all night studying in it, we both would doubke down, back up, find the alternate path, and go again.
Ward was out in the open, attached to the pamplet. He couldnt be used for anything much else as many eyes would have been upon him. It is not in Bedford. I promise you. The narrative, and the c2 decipherment, are but a cover story. A work of fiction with clues imbedded. I have never stated the vault hasnt been opened. And the barrel was repaired on site, as we found the damaged and replaced portion. Yes we realize the major damage done by our association. That is why it was terminated as soon as there was verifiable enough evidence, He was confronted concerning it. He apologized. And we did what we had to do, disassociate ourselves from him.I know it causes much trust issues. Just give us a chance to show you we are honorable and truthful, as we are.
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I don't know about truthful but I think someone or somebodies have been on the wicky weed real bad.
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Not in the Bedford, Va. "area", eh...?
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LOL! ROFL!
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Are THEY singing "Rocky Mountain High"...?
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It appears, as others have done before, you are creating your own fictional account of the Beale story to fit you theory of a secret "Brotherhood" and this found vault that is not in Bedford county, Virginia.
Is this "vault" even in Virginia?
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When one burns both ends for the candle's flame
Then continues to chastise he who is shamed
To allow it the entire TEAM is to blame
While still playing the same old game
All of them need a Burma Shave!
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So far it only been the game, NO vault, NO treasure, just the game.
...and you claim, not even in Virginia, and NO real connection to James Beverly Ward NOR reason provided why he copyrighted and published it for this unknown unnamed "Brotherhood" you keep referencing in this revisionist version of the Beale story.
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