17 Tons of gold in New Mexico
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The main reason to throw away any research proving the origins of the gold!
Who cares about its' origin (other than knowing where it came from will help to find where it is). That knowledge can only bring about trouble!
Find the location and establish YOUR ownership, then let the chips fly!
Mike
Who cares about its' origin (other than knowing where it came from will help to find where it is). That knowledge can only bring about trouble!
Find the location and establish YOUR ownership, then let the chips fly!
Mike
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Dead on and I am fond of the avatar.gollum said:
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Just want to agree with Mike (Gollum) at least to a degree, for in some cases we are dealing with conflicting information, mis-leading clues etc that are a positive hinderment to your physical search. In at least one other lost treasure story there is so much conflicting and misleading clues that any hope of following the clues to find it is zero. I am referring to the Lost Dutchman mine, but the case is similar in the Lost Adams, Pegleg's Black Gold Nuggets, Tayopa, the Cement mine, the lost Cabin mine, etc etc one almost needs a "BS detector" to help filter out what information is useful and what is actually detrimental and misleading. Not an easy task in some cases!
On the other hand, researching the history is interesting and rewarding in itself, if you have an interest in history. It can even be profitable without ever finding the treasures, as it has been for many authors who wrote books about the Lost Dutchman or Lost Adams mines. Then there are fellows like Gollum, who keep the choicest bits of information utterly secret, so that no one (***except for what has been extracted by a highly successful computer hacker who shall remain un-named***) will ever see any of it until AFTER he has found and recovered all the booty!
Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
On the other hand, researching the history is interesting and rewarding in itself, if you have an interest in history. It can even be profitable without ever finding the treasures, as it has been for many authors who wrote books about the Lost Dutchman or Lost Adams mines. Then there are fellows like Gollum, who keep the choicest bits of information utterly secret, so that no one (***except for what has been extracted by a highly successful computer hacker who shall remain un-named***) will ever see any of it until AFTER he has found and recovered all the booty!
Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
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gollum said:
Hi Mike, I believe I have the site,it is in the middle of nowhere, it is land leased by the group, it has an overgrown runway on it where Bud Fountain used to land his stearman biplane and has a few interesting features.
Here is the runway and another shot that shows an obvious track from the runway that leads to ...........well you decide
The runway is 1/2 mile in length, the track is 3/4 mile long
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Gary, Those are awesome shots of the runway. But, you did say they
didn't bring in the gold by plane? Doe's the runway relate to the site.
Don't answer this if you think it could give to much information
on your site.
Clayton
didn't bring in the gold by plane? Doe's the runway relate to the site.
Don't answer this if you think it could give to much information
on your site.
Clayton
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Clayton, I do not believe the gold was flown in, it may have been, but I dont think it was.
The runway is on the land the group leased, so yes it does relate to the site, it is smack bang in the middle of the site they leased. It was put in by one of thier partners
No one should assume that because there is a runway there where a stearman used to land, that the gold had to have been flown to the spot from Mexico.
You dont have to believe the written accounts, for example Hougen never did leave the country to avoid being served did he?
And no stearman can lift 2 passengers extra fuel and 1 and a half tons of gold can it?
The written accounts are full of truths and fiction, you just have to seperate the two.
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Gary, I was just going to suggest it may not be a good idea to put the landing strip
pics on here.
You said "The written accounts are full of truths and fictions"
This is what I have been saying from the beginning of this thread.
How many standard size transport truck (of that era) loads do you think it would have taken to move the gold?
Clayton
pics on here.
You said "The written accounts are full of truths and fictions"
This is what I have been saying from the beginning of this thread.
How many standard size transport truck (of that era) loads do you think it would have taken to move the gold?
Clayton
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Roadquest said:
You would need to define "standard sized" for me to give an answer, although the figures for a circa 1933 truck would probably be less than the figures for a 1948 truck.
the late 1920s dodge pick ups could carry 1.5 tons though, I would have to look up trucks.
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I don't have a 'dog in this fight';however,conventional wisdome in my area at that time was that if it held that one it will take one more.Every driver had the 'best' truck that could haul just a little more than the other guy's.
Ton and a half payload would not have been unreasonable for what would be considered pickup size today.
Ton and a half payload would not have been unreasonable for what would be considered pickup size today.
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So theoretically it could have been done by "truck" in as many as 12 loads or as few as 2
Or 26 + in a stearman with 2 refueling stops each way as long as there was no passenger.
Or 26 + in a stearman with 2 refueling stops each way as long as there was no passenger.
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Roadquest said:
Gave this some thought and I stick by my belief he does not exist, the first time a mexican was mentioned was in 1952 by a reporter from the L A Times. No name was given, just a mention of a Mexican owner.
But no Mexican was subpoenaed or indicted in 1952.
The next time a mexican is mentioned "he" gets a name in the 1968 telling of the story.
I do not know of any telling that predates that one so I will assume for now that was the point that Trabuco was installed as the mexican.
However regardless of when his name was added there still is no record of him. I am putting this down to poetic licence by the writer of the 1968 telling. I will see if I can find an earlier reference.
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As you said, it go's around and around. Can't prove he exist. Can't prove he was a "Harvey".
Maybe the reporter with the L A Times. ( He probably is dead by now) but maybe he told
he's children about were he came up with the name Leon Trabuco.
Maybe the reporter with the L A Times. ( He probably is dead by now) but maybe he told
he's children about were he came up with the name Leon Trabuco.
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Roadquest said:
The L A Times reporter never came up with the name, the name appeared in the 1968 telling of the story. And as far as I know that is the first time it is mentioned, although I would have to check all my books to be 100% sure.
I do remember the quote went something like this " Don Leon Trabuco said I can not take you to the gold, but I can give you directions to where it is buried".
That is roughly how I remember it although I will look it up.
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The exact quote :
" Trabuco retorted. How would you like to discover 17 tons of gold bars? We can’t take you by the hand and lead you to the spot, but we can provide general directions to the hiding place of this tremendous cache of gold"
" Trabuco retorted. How would you like to discover 17 tons of gold bars? We can’t take you by the hand and lead you to the spot, but we can provide general directions to the hiding place of this tremendous cache of gold"
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Roadquest said:
No but maybe they quoted from the book? I have never read the Argosy Magazine account.
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