Will there be a new Tesoro for 2015?

[Honest Samuel]

I was planning in purchasing a Vaquero, but, not if it is not water proof.

 

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[Welgund]

Besides waterproof what detector company has been all that innovative besides garrett? The at pro/gold machines have been the only ones to come out in the last few years that changed the bar in the priceline. Ergonomics is the only thing I can see that any of them have done outside that to make there detectors more appealing. You only have 4 inland waterproof detectors to choose from at pro/gold, tesoro tigers hark and ctx 3030. The latter being 2400 bucks. Tesoro has a player in that catagory in the tigershark. In the seperation department very few detectors can match a tesoro in iron laden sites. The Vaquero and tejon are two of the deepest machines made. I have one old homestead site that has that I have recovered many nice old coins and relics from with the vaquero and tejon. This site is littered with iron, bits of tin flakes, 22 bullet casings etc. Went back over it with the deus, f 75 and racer and found only bullet casings. The Vaquero or tejon with the 5.75 concentric in these types of sites will pretty much clean them out of anything good so that tells you something about the detectors and how well they work.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Besides waterproof what detector company has been all that innovative besides garrett? The at pro/gold machines have been the only ones to come out in the last few years that changed the bar in the priceline. Ergonomics is the only thing I can see that any of them have done outside that to make there detectors more appealing. You only have 4 inland waterproof detectors to choose from at pro/gold, tesoro tigers hark and ctx 3030. The latter being 2400 bucks. Tesoro has a player in that catagory in the tigershark. In the seperation department very few detectors can match a tesoro in iron laden sites. The Vaquero and tejon are two of the deepest machines made. I have one old homestead site that has that I have recovered many nice old coins and relics from with the vaquero and tejon. This site is littered with iron, bits of tin flakes, 22 bullet casings etc. Went back over it with the deus, f 75 and racer and found only bullet casings. The Vaquero or tejon with the 5.75 concentric in these types of sites will pretty much clean them out of anything good so that tells you something about the detectors and how well they work.

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[Terry Soloman]

Typical Tesoro Hater:

"Why hasn't Tesoro fixed something that's not broken!"
"Why hasn't Tesoro put lipstick and a short skirt on 10-year-old technology?"

Honest answer: Because they are not going to "introduce" something that was invented a decade ago and call it "new."

Funny how Whites, Garrett, and Fisher hasn't come out with anything "new" since the 1990s, but by repackaging old technology, or combining and blending different machines to make them "look" sexy - while charging consumers more, nobody really seems to care. I guess in my book, Tesoro is just more honest than their competition.

 

[TheHunterGT]

I'll play....

Typical Tesoro user:

"Tesoro does not need to come out with anything new because they work just fine"
"Tesoros are better than machines 2X their price"
"Anything not a Tesoro is a toy"
"A good MDer does not need a display"

Rinse and repeat...always the same rubbish.

Plenty of old crap still works fine...does not mean consumers should have to settle for it. If new shiny toys are out there...people will jump ship. Marketing 101. Just because a Tesoro can match depth does not make them "better" than newer and pricier machines. Those $1200 machines that are 2X the Tejon and Vaquero do everything they can do....plus so much more.

Fact of the matter is...this new update from Vince is anything but. Still no date...not a month...not a year. Would rather talk .005 coil snips. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

Tesoro dropped the ball on the Cazador and now they are paying the price. Multiple people have said they were once waiting for the Cazador but have decided to go buy something else instead. Not only does that sting from a financial standpoint...but a reputation standpoint as well.

Funny how Whites, Garrett, and Fisher hasn't come out with anything "new" since the 1990s, but by repackaging old technology, or combining and blending different machines to make them "look" sexy - while charging consumers more, nobody really seems to care. I guess in my book, Tesoro is just more honest than their competition.

Kind of like the new black faceplate from Tesoro? Rad stuff...

Whites - TreasureMaster and TreasurePro....getting good feedback after the initial errors. Packed with features.
Garrett - AT Pro and AT Gold....ATX....all 3 speak for themselves.
Fisher - New F series.....F19 a Gold Bug on crack (so not just looks)...F44 weatherproof (again not just looks) and tons of great features (including NEW algorithms for the discrimination processor).
Bounty Hunter - New Pro series....Lone Star Pro....Quick Draw Pro.....Land Ranger Pro (probably take that over any Tesoro honestly)

Hell...it is not new but still newer than most Tesoros....the Teknetics T2 is now $499...absolutely a better deal (and detector) than a Tejon or a Vaq.

To hear a Tesoro guy tell it.....all VLF detectors in the last 10 years are just re-hashed crap...at to a degree I get that....but it is still rubbish. With that logic....why is the Cazador even being talked about?

The other companies are squeezing every last inch and drop out of displays and processors and FEATURES that make detecting life easier.

Just my opinion....

 

[DannyB1954]

A lot of manufacturers have been updating their machines. I am most familiar with Fischer. The f-19 and f-75 in particular but also the F-22 and f-44. White's V3i came out in the 90's? I am not brand loyal and don't dislike Tesoro. I like my Lobo ST, I just don't buy the argument that the present Tesoro's are the pinnacle of perfection and can not be possibly improved. At the minimum they could re release the Golden uMax.

My budget does not allow me to spend thousands of dollars a year on machines. If I buy something like the Makro Gold Racer that has already been proven to exist but has not been released, it is very unlikely that I will be spending more money for a Tesoro product in addition to that. The Nokta Gold+ is also attractive. There is very little incentive for me to purchase a new Tesoro when I can get the same model used for half price. Odds favor a used machine will work properly for many years. If Tesoro wants to be the Hardly Ableson, (Harley Davidson), of metal detectors selling old wares I am sure there will be those who will buy a few of them. It is a shame that American manufacturers choose not to at least keep up with 3rd world countries when it comes to product development.

 

[Terry Soloman]

Have ANY of the "new" additions or "improvements" REALLY made a difference in VHF technology since 1990? Can your F75, AT Pro, or T2 find ANYTHING a Tesoro Vaquero won't? Is their recovery time or discrimination ANY better? My experience is absolutely not.

 

[Honest Samuel]

I would like to thank my friend for the great information. Wait until April before I purchase a new detector. I have a Minelab 705 that it is very hard for me to learn how to used.

 

[TheHunterGT]

Have ANY of the "new" additions or "improvements" REALLY made a difference in VHF technology since 1990? Can your F75, AT Pro, or T2 find ANYTHING a Tesoro Vaquero won't? Is their recovery time or discrimination ANY better? My experience is absolutely not.

In my opinion...absolutely those additions and improvements have made a difference. New digital machines are using processors that were not available in the 90's. Faster...smaller...new discrimination and identification algorithms. In a trashy site I will take a new VDI machine over an ancient dial twister from the 90's any day. Why would I want to thumb a dial to play the guessing game when technology provides me the means to just glance at a screen with great accuracy. Multiple notches...multiple tones...numerical identification WITH decimals on some machines. It really is a night and day difference in my opinion.

The myth that VDI's are inaccurate and that the new machines don't have better discrimination in trashy areas is just about played out. I very recently used a Vaq and a T2 in Denver. The T2 would easily be my choice out of the 2 as I found it's discrimination and notch features to be far superior to the Vaq. Even the Vaquero owner of 4 years...a good friend... said he would trade it for a T2 in a heartbeat.

To each their own.

 

[Terry Soloman]

In my opinion...absolutely those additions and improvements have made a difference. New digital machines are using processors that were not available in the 90's. Faster...smaller...new discrimination and identification algorithms. In a trashy site I will take a new VDI machine over an ancient dial twister from the 90's any day. Why would I want to thumb a dial to play the guessing game when technology provides me the means to just glance at a screen with great accuracy. Multiple notches...multiple tones...numerical identification WITH decimals on some machines. It really is a night and day difference in my opinion...

So you are letting the machine "guess" for you? Sounds good to me. That means there will be a lot of gold left in the ground for Tesoro users living near you.

 

[dirtscratcher]

Have ANY of the "new" additions or "improvements" REALLY made a difference in VHF technology since 1990? Can your F75, AT Pro, or T2 find ANYTHING a Tesoro Vaquero won't? Is their recovery time or discrimination ANY better? My experience is absolutely not.

It is a lot to do with what you don't have to dig others as in rusty crap that the vaquero loves. And the disc on some of the others is leaps and bounds above the vaquero. As a matter of fact I consider the tesoros disc as in the ability to tell a deep coin from a rusty washer to be the worst.

 

[TheHunterGT]

So you are letting the machine "guess" for you? Sounds good to me. That means there will be a lot of gold left in the ground for Tesoro users living near you.

The myth that VDI's are inaccurate and that the new machines don't have better discrimination in trashy areas is just about played out.

I have heard this rumour that Tesoro detectors and/or Tesoro users can hit gold rings "better" than the VDI machines.....yet a quick visit to "Todays Finds" always shows me otherwise. The new detectors with the bells and whistles are finding all sorts of awesome gold circles.

To be honest Terry...I notch out the entire iron and gold range 90% of the time....notching in 5c back in...as I mainly coin hunt shallow targets in hard pack dirt. Silver out here is 2-4 inches deep in most cases. If I want gold I break out my sluice and do real gold work. Prospecting brought me into Mding actually...so I know all about gold.

How could a Tesoro machine possibly help somebody like me that just shoots for coins? I'd love to know. I sure as hell do not have time to dig every trash target that lies withing the gold range....I value my digging time.

Before you claim I am some Tesoro hater....I at one time was positive a Cibola would be my first detector. I love(d) quite a bit about it. I still may own one in the future.

 

[Terry Soloman]

If you are a coin hunter, then the Cibola or Silver uMax could be your best friend. The discrimination on ALL Tesoro machines is fantastic when you turn it up past Pulltab and Pennies!
I've done a little prospecting myself - Check out my album!

 

[Welgund]

On a tesoro if you turn the disc knob up past pull tab pretty much every repeatable good solid sound will be a coin. I hunt with the vaquero, Bandido 2 micromax and eldorado disc out just before nickel and thumb it just past the nickel tab and if it discs out sharply when I go past the nickel and comes back in sharply without any break ups then I dig it. Lot of times it is a nickel. If I'm hunting ball fields then I set my disc just before nickel and dig it all. Trashy parks I thumb it to curb the trash dug. On my vaquero if I turn the disc all the way maxed and dig all repeatable good tones from 2 directions it's almost always a quarter, dime or copper penny.

 

[DannyB1954]

I took the Fischer F-19 to the park today. I set it up just for coins. I dug a few bottle caps and tabs, but for the most part the machine ran pretty accurate and quiet. The coins had a nice steady VDI number, the trash jumped around quite a bit. I dug them anyway just to check. I don't know how you could determine the consistency of a reading with an audio only machine. If the signal varied by 5% how would you know? I did a factory reset to see what the ground was really like, and the noise from all the junk was enough for me to start notching stuff back out. If there were an equal number of gold rings and pull tabs, I could see dig everything. If I did that in my local park it would look like a roto tiller went through the lawn.
With the Lobo and most other Tesorro's, if you discriminate out tabs you lose nickles. I would rather not spend time over a target spinning knobs or flicking switches, (Tejon). If you set the discriminator low, you get taxed with a lot of noise, If you set it high, you don't hear a number of the good targets.
I think the Golden uMax was a move in the right direction, I am disappointed that they discontinued it. My Fischer CZ-7a Pro from the 90's lets me notch segments out.

 

[Welgund]

Dirtfishing on youtube has two recent hunts with a tesoro vaquero and cibola. Go watch them to see how they work. The disc on tesoros are so good and disc out lots of trash. They run quiet. With the tesoro concentric coils you will not dig bottle caps or can slaw unless you run the disc low enough to hear it.

 

[RobRieman]

I don't understand the knob verses notch verses filter debate. If you spin a knob or set your disc on a screen is does the same thing. Is there really something people hate about a screen? Have these people used a machine with these features? Your doing the exact same thing. Wether you twist a knob to disc tabs/iron or notch out tabs/iron your ignoring the same signals. I wouldn't give up my ETrac or my V3i for a beep and dig but that's just me. I like the VDI along with the audio as another reference point. Do I not dig targets sometimes because they don't sound good or have a solid VDI, absolutely, I hunt in places filled with trash and don't feel like sifting the ground clean. If you disc it your gonna miss it. Doesn't matter what you swing.

 

[DannyB1954]

With the V3i you can create as many notches for rejection or acceptance as you please. Well up to something like 190 of them. With most Tesoro's if you look at the discriminator knob you see that pull tabs come after nickles. If you eliminate the pull tabs, you will not hear a nickle. Tesoro did have machines in the past that would let you set a notch anywhere such as the GOLDEN SABRE II. copy and past this for a picture. I tried to copy and past the pic but it didn't work.

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They are out of production. On most of the present models you have to set the discrimination low, then when you find a target turn the knob up until it disappears to try to figure out what it is. This is a lot of knob twisting. Tesoro does make two models that display a VDI number, (Deleon $500, and the Cortes $700. Both running at 10 kHz), but most do not.
I have a number of high tech machines, but sometimes it is kind of relaxing just swinging something that goes beep. Where it becomes not a lot of fun is places like parks where pigs dropped their tons of aluminum pull tabs and bottle caps. I do enjoy running my Lobo ST as a relic machine like in an old mining camp, (lots of rusty tin cans, but not much aluminium).

 

[Cal G.]

I hunt with both VDI and Non VDI. To me tesoro is not really much of a dig and beep machine. You have to learn what your hearing and the capabilities of your machine. Actually some of the things I have learned from using a tesoro, I have applied to my VDI machines. A lot of machines today are too hot to work around metal structures and can't be turned down enough. I like the Outlaw with the 6 inch coil concentric for this type setting because this is where I have found crucifixs ( gold and silver) and a small 14k ring. The Vaquero, Omega, and Gamma were a little to hot for me in those conditions. The Vaquero was tough in those deep sand volley ball courts where my worst ground is and good at parks. Anyway difference of opinion is what makes horse racing. Good Luck to all!

 

[Terry Soloman]

OK, OK, you want a cute little screen, I got one for you! Tesoro Metal Detectors - Official company web site with metal detector models for treasure hunting land or water.