Why skeptics doesnt show proof?

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Morning PBSRW#1. PLEASE keep my lovely Mule out of this. She does have feeling , sniff. How would 'you feel' being called a sceptic??

It was posted --> So, when something is obviously wrong, for several reasons; and the person, or group, accused singles out one type of evidence, and hammers on about it not existing, they are trying to invalidate all other types of evidence, even though they exist. It's a fallacy.
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Hmm for some reason that sounds suspiciously similar to what the sceptics propose as their basic footing, 'a repeatably, consistant series of tests on something that relies upon a human interface' while ignoring all other evidence.

This is something that any Psychologist can tell you has never occurred, only that it should or may occur, the human interface is unpredictable on a 100 % basis.

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Re: Why skeptics doesn't show proof?

Hey Real Deal…Your on the right track..I will tell you my story.
After having a stroke I found that most of my Dowsing ability was gone..The rods would still close but in the wrong spots. My mental dowsing would control the rods but the physical part was gone.
I found a guy near by that owned a Ranger Tell..After using it I had determined that I could still pursue my hobby of treasure hunting..So I talked to Antony at Ranger Tell and bought a Ranger Tell and a body booster. It took a lot of practice as the learning curve was difficult for me.
A few years later I had another stroke. A few days later I started to have bad pains in the back of my head..Many tests later I was told that my Pinal Gland had become very active..My Dowsing ability was back but not as strong.
That’s my story and I am sticking to it..What has this got to do with the price of tea in China ? Heck if know…Art
 

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RDT---

Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp said:
It was posted --> So, when something is obviously wrong, for several reasons; and the person, or group, accused singles out one type of evidence, and hammers on about it not existing, they are trying to invalidate all other types of evidence, even though they exist. It's a fallacy.
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Hmm for some reason that sounds suspiciously similar to what the sceptics propose as their basic footing, 'a repeatably, consistant series of tests on something that relies upon a human interface' while ignoring all other evidence.

This is something that any Psychologist can tell you has never occurred, only that it should or may occur, the human interface is unpredictable on a 100 % basis.

Don Jose de La Mancha
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If a farmer says, "I have a flying cow." Would you just believe him? Or would you say, "show me"? And then, if it don't fly, it don't fly. That would be a claim, and then a request for proof.

If the farmer says, "I saw it fly," that's not going to be enough proof, for most people. The point being, if it flies, then showing indisputably that it does, shouldn't be a problem.

Ultimately, the only way to prove that their "cow flies," is to observe it fly, without any possibility of trickery.

The problem with your comment is the generalized term, "skeptics." Skeptics of what? You have some people who don't believe that dowsing works, and you have some that don't contest dowsing (like me), but don't believe that the electronics claims add up to anything that makes sense according to known Science. So when someone says "skeptics," they should clarify which group they are talking about, or their statement might not make sense.

So, there are two questions involved with proof, here.

First is the question of, "Does the so-called electronics in LRLs actually do anything significant to find the stated targets?"

Second is, "Do people find the targets they are looking for?"

I'm not that the second question is true or not. I just don't contest it. I don't think it matters, unless they actually can't. But I understand that it might not work in a test, because it is generally accepted that dowsing sometimes doesn't work under pressure, just like psychic abilities sometimes don't.

But.... That brings dowsing into the picture, doesn't it? The problem with that is the LRL makers don't come out and say that. Well, sometimes they beat around the bush about it, but don't say, "It's dowsing." That's not ethical.

Now, if they said, "This is a dowsing enhancer," that would be different. But not much. They would then need to demonstrate that it really enhances a dowser's success rate. But they haven't been able to do that, either. Instead, they promote just the so-called "electronics" capabilities of their "devices," and lead people to believe that they will always work, for everyone. That's not ethical.

Added to these problems, is the wording that the LRL makers use in their advertising. If you read the entire ad, you'll see that they don't actually saythat their device will find anything. So they can't be sued (they think).

So, when the LRL proponents, after not being able to prove they work, and refusing to have them fairly tested, use their one, single, piece of evidence that is "acceptable" only to them, that is the Fallacy. And their "one type of evidence" is that "nobody has been convicted." And using that, they then claim that it cancels-out all their other failures to prove it. But it doesn't, in any way.

There are still four items of proof that they are wrong, and their attempt to discredit them with a tangential argument can be seen-through by everyone.

Big Four Proofs of LRLs Fraud

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~ EE THr~
If you can do it, then I can do it, too.
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Yes you may be able to us one of these technology advanced tools..The only problem is that you are afraid to go to a demonstration..Art
 

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Why ask him for proof? You'll have better luck asking rocks to shed water, at the very least if you hit one it might break and release a few droplets... These fools won't give you that much ever.

So the pro-LRL crowd is still very militant in arguing its legitimacy and after soooo many months there isn't a shred of evidence to show these devices work. For that matter there is more evidence that they are ALL frauds, including the few on here who are trying to sell these things.

I just keep hoping no ones ill-misinformed enough to ditch a bunch of money to buy one of these frauds devices and doesn't get their money back (yet again).
 

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All good points and good questions. Just talked to a hunting partner that has a few more silver coins now after a quick hunt this morning. Some were at 10 inches. All were found over 100ft away.

What would make me waste my time with one of the wish sticks? Hummmm.
 

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Why ask him for proof? You'll have better luck asking rocks to shed water, at the very least if you hit one it might break and release a few droplets... These fools won't give you that much ever.
So the pro-LRL crowd is still very militant in arguing its legitimacy and after soooo many months there isn't a shred of evidence to show these devices work. For that matter there is more evidence that they are ALL frauds, including the few on here who are trying to sell these things.
I just keep hoping no ones ill-misinformed enough to ditch a bunch of money to buy one of these frauds devices and doesn't get their money back (yet again).
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I would guess that the manufactures are really enjoy this forum..Free advertisement at it’s best..when prospective buyer’s come in and get a hands on demonstration before buying they become informed customers. That is the recommended way to become a consumer by the treasure hunters on this board..
It is to bad that all the skeptics claims are so easy to disprove…art
 

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fenix---

fenixdigger said:
Just talked to a hunting partner that has a few more silver coins now after a quick hunt this morning. Some were at 10 inches. All were found over 100ft away.

What would make me waste my time with one of the wish sticks? Hummmm.
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So, his LRL has a setting for just "really old coins and bronze"?

That's about as realistic as a setting for "macaroni and cheese."


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Those are not gold coins. They are chocolate with gold tin foil on them.

Those were not the coins he found.

Before it starts, those were dug using a Minelab after guessing from a distance with a wishstick. Some a LONG distance.

Including a picture of a chain "guessed" at around 250 ft.
 

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fenixdigger said:
Those are not gold coins. They are chocolate with gold tin foil on them.

Those were not the coins he found.

Before it starts, those were dug using a Minelab after guessing from a distance with a wishstick. Some a LONG distance.

Including a picture of a chain "guessed" at around 250 ft.
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Let me try it.

I 'guess' there are undiscovered, buried treasures in Europe/UK.

That's pretty good, I'm 1000's of miles away. Sorry, I can't narrow it down further. :D
 

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fenix---

This might not have ever occurred to you, so I hate to break the news. But anybody can dig a hole, and throw a chain on the shovel.

You've got to come up with something much better than that. Don't any of you guys know how to operate a simple video camera?

With all this big-time hunting going on, amongst all of you LRL guys, you should have dozens and dozens of real digs on video, in undisturbed ground. There should be no question about it.

But, with all the loot you guys bring home, nobody can afford a video camera?

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P.S. That hole looks about three or four feet deep! And that ground looks like hard clay. How in the World did a modern chain get that deep in hard ground?
 

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~EE THr~
This might not have ever occurred to you, so I hate to break the news. But anybody can dig a hole, and throw a chain on the shovel.
You've got to come up with something much better than that. Don't any of you guys know how to operate a simple video camera?
With all this big-time hunting going on, amongst all of you LRL guys, you should have dozens and dozens of real digs on video, in undisturbed ground. There should be no question about it.
But, with all the loot you guys bring home, nobody can afford a video camera?



P.S. That hole looks about three or four feet deep! And that ground looks like hard clay. How in the World did a modern chain get that deep in hard ground?
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Clear proof that you have no knowledge about Treasure Hunters and the way treasure is found..Skeptics knowledge is a joke…Art
 

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aarthrj3811 said:
~EE THr~
This might not have ever occurred to you, so I hate to break the news. But anybody can dig a hole, and throw a chain on the shovel.
You've got to come up with something much better than that. Don't any of you guys know how to operate a simple video camera?
With all this big-time hunting going on, amongst all of you LRL guys, you should have dozens and dozens of real digs on video, in undisturbed ground. There should be no question about it.
But, with all the loot you guys bring home, nobody can afford a video camera?



P.S. That hole looks about three or four feet deep! And that ground looks like hard clay. How in the World did a modern chain get that deep in hard ground?
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Clear proof that you have no knowledge about Treasure Hunters and the way treasure is found..Skeptics knowledge is a joke…Art
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And this is clear proof you have no intention of ever providing legitimate evidence/proof for LRLs, your lies are a joke.
 

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The hole was 2 ft deep and I actually dug past it. When you do this by your self, hard to do other things. A camera is not part of my detecting equipment. When I was doing this, the last thing on my mind was to document proof to furnish to you.

Someone dug a hole and put this off to the side, as I dug to the bottom of where they had dug.

I have no idea why someone would bury this as it is not solid gold. Looks like the ends are.

Since there was a lot of whining about not posting pictures, I will post them and some of you can proceed with your little games.

***MODERATOR*** Sorry that post went over the line. You have to admit, it was funny, and it would save time.
 

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