Whiskey Springs Maps

[cuzimloony]

I think it's worthwhile to look at Masonic connections, but as far as I could tell, it's ancillary to what was going on with the LDS. That these men had connections and worked together in the finding and mining of precious metals is obvious.

Weedin ran against Hunt for the Democratic nomination for Governor. He lost, but Hunt went on to win the Governorship.

Jim Bark mentioned this briefly, but I can't remember where. Bark notes, maybe?

One can't begin to understand what was going on in early AZ without looking at the activities of people belonging to the Church. But equally important is what was going on politically, before, during and after the civil war. Heck, even the gunfight at the OK Corral can ultimately be laid at the feet of Northern (Republican) business interests that clashed with business interests of Texan/Southern (Democrat) operations. That's if you can call cattle rustling a business interest LOL. But that's what it boiled down to...opposing sides in the civil war still hating each other and fighting for control in AZ.

Agree with all of that, but one part....
Because of what you said at the end about the civil war and politics, I don't think the actions of Masons or Mormons or Confederates are ancillary to the LDM.
I'll explain....
If I were to name my mine "Big Globalist" or "Big Tobacco," I would clearly be "choosing sides." I would be putting my name with THAT team.
And so.......because of the tensions (which are STILL hot in the south) after the civil war, the amount of press, lives taken, emotion, etc... especially THEN, it's my opinion that Waltz, by naming his mine BIG REBEL, was putting his name on THAT team.
And at Adamsville, we have THAT team alongside Mormon Masons working together......
Now would Mormon/Mason/Confederates ever hide money and then create a ruse??
Nooooooooo they would never...
So long story long, if Waltz can be tied to any of those groups, then there becomes a POSSIBILITY that bigger things are at play, that he might not be a "lone ranger."

 

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[cuzimloony]

Maybe a long post coming.....
Im a bit mad, maybe enraged is more like it.
I am in Adamsville Cemetery right now, but its not called the Adamsville Cemtery anymore......

I drove through last week to see what it was like and I didnt see what I see now......
First off, EVERY confederate flagged gravestone is gone. Some gravestones, last time I was here, still had the stars and bars.

There were Captains of the Confederate States of America's gravestones (also a Masonic judge).

His grave now looks like this:

There were many gravestones with Masonic squares compasses, of which only 2 exist now.

Every single piece of confederate anything, is gone, and a lot of the Masonic stuff too. Replaced with a white cross. That Masonic handshake gravestone I posted earlier (from a previous trip)...it's gone too.
So much for supporting my theory........
No Adamsville video will be made........
I guess you'll just have to trust me, if you want to. This cemetery WAS absolutely a Masonic/Confederate graveyard. Now, there are just white crosses replacing ALL of that.
I cant even believe it......
Peoples gravestones.........
FYI, there's a big Rotary Club sign right at the enterance now......

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Waltz, by naming his mine BIG REBEL, was putting his name on THAT team.
....
So long story long, if Waltz can be tied to any of those groups, then there becomes a POSSIBILITY that bigger things are at play, that he might not be a "lone ranger."

KGC? But...Waltz also had a claim named the General Grant, after he had claimed the Big Rebel...so, did he switch sides? Just pulling your leg, but one would have to explain that.

Just my opinion, but I think Waltz was a "lone ranger" on the LDM. Regardless of the stories where he kills his nephew, or his pard is killed by Indians...which I can't say I believe either as true. To me, just old yarns, spun by old story tellers. I s'pose believers of the Holmes tale would point to Dick Holmes finding the nephew's skull at Hidden Water...but then we also have an earlier story that the skull was found by someone else, and it was not from a nephew of Waltz.

There was a lot of DNA swapping going on between these stories. Even some modern day novelists coming up with whole new stories based on the old ones.

 

[cuzimloony]

KGC? But...Waltz also had a claim named the General Grant, after he had claimed the Big Rebel...so, did he switch sides? Just pulling your leg, but one would have to explain that.

Just my opinion, but I think Waltz was a "lone ranger" on the LDM. Regardless of the stories where he kills his nephew, or his pard is killed by Indians...which I can't say I believe either as true. To me, just old yarns, spun by old story tellers. I s'pose believers of the Holmes tale would point to Dick Holmes finding the nephew's skull at Hidden Water...but then we also have an earlier story that the skull was found by someone else, and it was not from a nephew of Waltz.

There was a lot of DNA swapping going on between these stories. Even some modern day novelists coming up with whole new stories based on the old ones.

Exactly......
We have conflicting story after conflicting story. We have Waltz Maps, deerskin maps, peralta maps, stone maps, horse maps, this map that map.......
Kinda creates a bit of confusion in your head doesn't it........like those articles and maps are designed so that you can never nail anything down....
Who would do something like that?

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Maybe a long post coming.....
Im a bit mad, maybe enraged is more like it.
I am in Adamsville Cemetery right now, but its not called the Adamsville Cemtery anymore......
View attachment 2183268
I drove through last week to see what it was like and I didnt see what I see now......
First off, EVERY confederate flagged gravestone is gone. Some gravestones, last time I was here, still had the stars and bars.
View attachment 2183271
There were Captains of the Confederate States of America's gravestones (also a Masonic judge).
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His grave now looks like this:
View attachment 2183276
There were many gravestones with Masonic squares compasses, of which only 2 exist now.
View attachment 2183274View attachment 2183275
Every single piece of confederate anything, is gone, and a lot of the Masonic stuff too. Replaced with a white cross. That Masonic handshake gravestone I posted earlier (from a previous trip)...it's gone too.
So much for supporting my theory........
No Adamsville video will be made........
I guess you'll just have to trust me, if you want to. This cemetery WAS absolutely a Masonic/Confederate graveyard. Now, there are just white crosses replacing ALL of that.
I cant even believe it......
Peoples gravestones.........
FYI, there's a big Rotary Club sign right at the enterance now......

Sorry to hear that. I may have some old B&W photos of the old gravestones.

Wasn't Granville Oury's the one with the black granite stars n bars? He was another interesting figure in AZ history...sorry to hear someone has taken it upon themselves to "disappear" the gravestones, but it's not the first time something like this has happened...I've seen sites burned down or bulldozed just to make them "go away" for all time. Sad.

 

[cuzimloony]

Sorry to hear that. I may have some old B&W photos of the old gravestones.

Wasn't Granville Oury's the one with the black granite stars n bars? He was another interesting figure in AZ history...sorry to hear someone has taken it upon themselves to "disappear" the gravestones, but it's not the first time something like this has happened...I've seen sites burned down or bulldozed just to make them "go away" for all time. Sad.

Erasing history.
Makes me livid.

 

[PotBelly Jim]

The Pinal Historical Society had pics and maps of all the graves when they were restored back in the 1970's. Should still be there.

Just asking... the old Adamsville Cemetery is adjacent to, but not part of, Butte View Cemetery...is it possible that you came in the wrong side, the Butte View side? Or did they clean out the old, historic Adamsville cemetery?


Edit: This site has pics of all the old gravestones:

Adamsville Cemetery - Pinal County, Arizona | Burial & Family History Records

Burials in Adamsville Cemetery, Pinal County, Arizona. Find genealogy and surname records in Pinal County, Arizona

arizonagravestones.org

 

[PotBelly Jim]

Are you still out there at the cemetery?

Adamsville Cem. is at the top left. Butte View is on the bottom right:

Doug Stewart used to be the caretaker...he may know what's going on.

 

[cuzimloony]

Are you still out there at the cemetery?

Adamsville Cem. is at the top left. Butte View is on the bottom right:
View attachment 2183279

Doug Stewart used to be the caretaker...he may know what's going on.

Hmmmm this is a possibility. However, if my recollection is correct, from today,...... that is now farm land. If I close my eyes and "look" in that direction, I see cleared brush and flat land.
I will confirm with another drive by, not today however. Thank you for this. I will update you as soon as I know something......
Edit.. I have video. I will look at that and let you know.
Im excited. I hope I just f'd up earlier following google maps!

 

[cuzimloony]

Are you still out there at the cemetery?

Adamsville Cem. is at the top left. Butte View is on the bottom right:
View attachment 2183279

Doug Stewart used to be the caretaker...he may know what's going on.

I think you're right........ I'm going back tomorrow to verify. This is really bothering me.