When Ordinary Science Fails to Explain

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Evening Ee you posted -->>But please try to keep out the nonsense
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Your definition of nonsense?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

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[EE THr]

Evening Ee you posted -->>But please try to keep out the nonsense
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Your definition of nonsense?

Don Jose de La Mancha

A theory based upon a theory.

And attempts to use alleged treasure adventures as proof.

And insults to those who state scientific facts.

 

[EE THr]

~Art~

Treasure Hunting Stories, testimonials and experiments are discussing LRL’s

~EE~

No, that would be discussing your alleged adventures. There is a difference.

So the 60 plus testimonials on this board and the 100’s on the internet are all alleged adventures?

That would be correct.

~ART~

And leave out what is important to treasure hunters? How to operate their LRL,s, the success of other treasure hunters, how to become informed consumers and all the other parts of treasure hunting..Darn..Is all the stuff I have learned this year now void?

~EE~
There are other sections in this Website for discussing adventures and treasures.

But the start of this board say’s ... Long Range Locators...It seems to me that I am in the right section..Seems to me that you belong in Tech Talk, Techniques, I Couldn't Believe My Eyes!, Arm Chair Treasure Hunting, Psychics/Mediums/Paranormal or the Non-sense boards

Right---it says "Long Range Locators." not Attempting to use stories about treasures as proof that LRLs work. LRLs are the "device."

~EE~

When someone states some fact about, or principle of, electronics---it is easy enough to check the Web to see if it is true or not. Nobody needs to prove anything personal about themselves. People who BS about electronics are easy enough to spot.

Yes they are

However, when a person professes to know nothing about electronics, and refuses to learn or use the Internet to check electronics facts, he has no place in trying to use BS electronics to try an prove his point. He also has no business in saying that others don't know enough about electronics to comment about LRLs.

~art~

Are LRL’s not designed to work in the field and back yards?

~EE~

So far, there has been no real evidence that LRLs were designed to actually work, anywhere.

We have proved our facts with testimonials. Movies and Photo’s..You with personal opinions.

Nope. I post facts. Since you have no knowledge of electronics, you have no idea what is fact, and what is merely opinion. So when you call someone's statement about electronics an "opinion," you are totally aware that you don't know that to be true, although you state it as though it is true, over and over. Therefore you are guilty of making false statements, by your own admission.

~Art~

Please tell us where and how to prove it to the world ?

~EE~

As I've said before, that is entirely the problem of LRL makers and promoters.

Thank you for that admission
~Art~

I don’t have a problem..I know I have use 7 LRL’s and located and recover gold. Those knowledgeable in electronics say are fraudulent and do not work..

~EE~

The overwhelming evidence is that LRLs do not work.

If you want to provide real, scientifically acceptable evidence that they do, that's up to you, and it would be applicable to discussing the devices, because it would provide facts about the devices.

Otherwise, it's just irrelevant stories, and useless clutter on a forum. In other words, it's just noise. Like yelling when other people are trying to talk. It's interference, and is considered to be Trolling. The reason is that there is no way to respond to it, except by either arguing or "believing." And neither of those is compatible with a coherent, or intelligent, discussion.

Thank You for the “RANT~

The only reason you call it a "rant" is that it is true, and there is no rebuttal to it. It wasn't a rant, I was merely answering your questions. Like I have said many times before, when a con cannot provide facts to support his claims, he stoops to insults, as you just did.

~EE~

You seem to want to omit this part, of what Marc also said: "...I open this forum to the discussion of said [LRL] devices."

We have been trying to discuss LRL’s but with a lot of interruptions.

Like I stated earlier, most of your posts are not discussing LRLs, but your alleged adventures and non-verifiable testimonials. But our statements about electronics are verifiable, so instead of checking the facts, you cast insults.


~EE~

Because there is no real evidence that LRLs actually work at all, your being "educated" in them is dubious, at best. Before you start bragging about your alleged experiences with them, you should first firmly establish to the World, that they actually do work. How you do that, as I said, is your problem.

Gee EE..I ask you how this can be done above and you gave me this answer..
~EE

As I've said before, that is entirely the problem of LRL makers and promoters.

The only ones I see making outrages claims on here are the skeptics...Art

You don't actually see that. But you may interpret it as that, because you still don't know the difference between a claim, and a challenge to a claim. And again, that is entirely your problem to deal with.

 

[aarthrj3811]

A theory based upon a theory.
And attempts to use alleged treasure adventures as proof.
And insults to those who state scientific facts.
That would be correct.
Right---it says "Long Range Locators." not Attempting to use stories about treasures as proof that LRLs work. LRLs are the "device."
However, when a person professes to know nothing about electronics, and refuses to learn or use the Internet to check electronics facts, he has no place in trying to use BS electronics to try an prove his point. He also has no business in saying that others don't know enough about electronics to comment about LRLs.
Nope. I post facts. Since you have no knowledge of electronics, you have no idea what is fact, and what is merely opinion. So when you call someone's statement about electronics an "opinion," you are totally aware that you don't know that to be true, although you state it as though it is true, over and over. Therefore you are guilty of making false statements, by your own admission.
The only reason you call it a "rant" is that it is true, and there is no rebuttal to it. It wasn't a rant, I was merely answering your questions. Like I have said many times before, when a con cannot provide facts to support his claims, he stoops to insults, as you just did.
Like I stated earlier, most of your posts are not discussing LRLs, but your alleged adventures and non-verifiable testimonials. But our statements about electronics are verifiable, so instead of checking the facts, you cast insults.
You don't actually see that. But you may interpret it as that, because you still don't know the difference between a claim, and a challenge to a claim. And again, that is entirely your problem to deal with.

Just a few questions this morning..
How many LRL’s have you operated?
How many LRL’s have you held in your hand?
How many LRL’s have you opened up to look at the electronics?
How many LRL’s have you tested with electronic test equipment.
How many manufacturers of LRL’s have you had explain their theories to you?


How many LRL schematics have you read that came from the manufactures?
No need to go on as if you answer these questions honestly every one will know just what you are..Art..

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

EE: you posted -->

A theory based upon a theory.

And attempts to use alleged treasure adventures as proof.

And insults to those who state scientific fact
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that's three strikes, in baseball you would be out.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[hung]

Your definition of nonsense?

Don Jose de La Mancha

Humm... could be the one bellow.
Specially when Dr. Ozzy somewhere else cannot stand the heat... er.. joke, and resorts to censorship.

 

[EE THr]

Art---

You seem to be more interested in me than in LRLs. Sorry, I'm already taken.



RDT---

But in Reality, it's a home run.



Hung---

So all your pseudoscience mumbo-jumbo has just been a big joke all along.

Yep, you sure had me fooled.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI EE you posted -->RDT---But in Reality, it's a home run.
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You must be playing an aussiland version, upside down. snicker. ( apol to my many aussieland friends)

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

HI EE you posted -->RDT---But in Reality, it's a home run.
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You must be playing an aussiland version, upside down. snicker. ( apol to my many aussieland friends)

Don Jose de La Mancha

RDT---

OK, so how do you think that---

A theory based upon a theory.

And attempts to use alleged treasure adventures as proof.

And insults to those who state scientific fact

Would help a discussion on possible designs of real Long Range sensing devices?

Or did I misunderstand your comment, and you were actually agreeing with me?

 

[aarthrj3811]

~Art`

Just a few questions this morning..
How many LRL’s have you operated?
How many LRL’s have you held in your hand?
How many LRL’s have you opened up to look at the electronics?
How many LRL’s have you tested with electronic test equipment.
How many manufacturers of LRL’s have you had explain their theories to you?
How many LRL schematics have you read that came from the manufactures?
No need to go on as if you answer these questions honestly every one will know just what you are..Art..

~EE~
Art---

You seem to be more interested in me than in LRLs. Sorry, I'm already taken.

~EE~

What I actually said was that the Notice, at the top of the LRL Section, from Marc, indicates that it is for the discussion of LRL devices. It doesn't say anything about alleged treasure hunting stories, or testimonials, or your alleged experiences with locating Tic-Tacs.

Just wondering where your experience comes from to claim that testimonials and treasure hunting stories are all alleged?

No, it's about the LRLs themselves. Therefore, it can be about the circuitry, and the electronics related to that, or about proven science in relation to that. It can even be about the manufacturers' and promoters' alleged theories of why they should work, and whether or not those theories are scientifically sound.

Exactly what my questions are about.

And it's not about insulting people who point out real facts which might contradict your opinions or claims.

Answer the question so we can judge if they are real facts.

So, yes, most of the posts by those knowledgeable in electronics are about LRLs, and belong here. Not counting their replies to posts which contain, or consist entirely of, insults.
Answer the questions and tell us just how knowledgeable in the electronics of LRLs you are...Art

 

[EE THr]

What I actually said was that the Notice, at the top of the LRL Section, from Marc, indicates that it is for the discussion of LRL devices. It doesn't say anything about alleged treasure hunting stories, or testimonials, or your alleged experiences with locating Tic-Tacs.

Just wondering where your experience comes from to claim that testimonials and treasure hunting stories are all alleged?

Again, you need to turn to a good dictionary. Look up "allege." Any claim made, unless accompanied by proof thereof, is alleged until it is adequately proven. In the case of LRLs, adequate proof can only be by scientifically acceptable evidence.

No, it's about the LRLs themselves. Therefore, it can be about the circuitry, and the electronics related to that, or about proven science in relation to that. It can even be about the manufacturers' and promoters' alleged theories of why they should work, and whether or not those theories are scientifically sound.

Exactly what my questions are about.

The questions to which you refer, are about a person, not about LRL devices. Stay on topic, or you will be attempting to merely change the subject. And why would you want to do that?

And it's not about insulting people who point out real facts which might contradict your opinions or claims.

Answer the question so we can judge if they are real facts.

What facts are you referring to with your use of the word, "they"?

So, yes, most of the posts by those knowledgeable in electronics are about LRLs, and belong here. Not counting their replies to posts which contain, or consist entirely of, insults.
Answer the questions and tell us just how knowledgeable in the electronics of LRLs you are...Art

Now you are requesting that I do exactly what you were whining about earlier---which is for me to make claims about my knowledge of electronics. Like I said before, since you admittedly have no knowledge about electronics, and either refuse to, or are unable to, learn---then you have absolutely now way to judge anyone's knowledge level on that subject. Since, by your statement above, you are inferring that you are able to judge that, you have made a false statement again.

Furthermore, you are still trying to change the subject to discussing a person, rather than the acutal topic of LRLs.

So, why do you complain that people should allow you to talk about LRLs, when you actually aren't talking about LRLs anyway?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI EE mi buddy.

you posted --> you were actually agreeing with me?

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Second mistake. snicker Want cream, milk, or chocolate flavor in that coffee?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~

Again, you need to turn to a good dictionary. Look up "allege." Any claim made, unless accompanied by proof thereof, is alleged until it is adequately proven. In the case of LRLs, adequate proof can only be by scientifically acceptable evidence.
The questions to which you refer, are about a person, not about LRL devices. Stay on topic, or you will be attempting to merely change the subject. And why would you want to do that?
What facts are you referring to with your use of the word, "they"?
Now you are requesting that I do exactly what you were whining about earlier---which is for me to make claims about my knowledge of electronics. Like I said before, since you admittedly have no knowledge about electronics, and either refuse to, or are unable to, learn---then you have absolutely now way to judge anyone's knowledge level on that subject. Since, by your statement above, you are inferring that you are able to judge that, you have made a false statement again.

Furthermore, you are still trying to change the subject to discussing a person, rather than the acutal topic of LRLs.

So, why do you complain that people should allow you to talk about LRLs, when you actually aren't talking about LRLs anyway?

Good duck and dodging of the questions...I am just trying to find out what qualifies you to be knowledgeable in electronics about LRL’s..Unless you answer the questions we know that you are not qualified...Art

 

[EE THr]

~EE~

Again, you need to turn to a good dictionary. Look up "allege." Any claim made, unless accompanied by proof thereof, is alleged until it is adequately proven. In the case of LRLs, adequate proof can only be by scientifically acceptable evidence.
The questions to which you refer, are about a person, not about LRL devices. Stay on topic, or you will be attempting to merely change the subject. And why would you want to do that?
What facts are you referring to with your use of the word, "they"?
Now you are requesting that I do exactly what you were whining about earlier---which is for me to make claims about my knowledge of electronics. Like I said before, since you admittedly have no knowledge about electronics, and either refuse to, or are unable to, learn---then you have absolutely now way to judge anyone's knowledge level on that subject. Since, by your statement above, you are inferring that you are able to judge that, you have made a false statement again.

Furthermore, you are still trying to change the subject to discussing a person, rather than the acutal topic of LRLs.

So, why do you complain that people should allow you to talk about LRLs, when you actually aren't talking about LRLs anyway?

Good duck and dodging of the questions...I am just trying to find out what qualifies you to be knowledgeable in electronics about LRL’s..Unless you answer the questions we know that you are not qualified...Art

Wrong conclusion, Art. Bad logic. False premise.

It's not about people.

It's about LRLs.

Apparently you don't want to talk about them.

That's OK with me if you don't.

 

[hung]

Art---

You seem to be more interested in me than in LRLs. Sorry, I'm already taken.



RDT---

But in Reality, it's a home run.



Hung---

So all your pseudoscience mumbo-jumbo has just been a big joke all along.

Yep, you sure had me fooled.

The funny picture I posted above had a reason.
It was a parody towards Carl's forum 'administrator' who I fondly call 'ozzy' hence his nick has 'ozhi' in the end and who completely ignores lrl signals and dowsing related matters.
He posted a picture to ridicule one member who had presented a very interesting video about somebody making a recovery with some antenna rod.
When I entered my parody picture after his own, I was censored and it was deleted but his posted picture remained. So I decided to post it here to demonstrate TNET members what kind of administrator Carl houses in his forum. When things don't look good to him, he uses the kadaffi method.

As a matter of fact, when I have a little more time soon, I will talk about admnistration role in LRL forums.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hung my friend: You posted -->RDT---But in Reality, it's a home run.
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That was EE's post not mine. Mine was "You must be playing an aussiland version, upside down. snicker. ( apol to my many aussieland friends"

in other words, 'no way' ! He is striking out.


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[aarthrj3811]

~HE~ Gossip

Wrong conclusion, Art. Bad logic. False premise.
It's not about people.
It's about LRLs.
Apparently you don't want to talk about them.
That's OK with me if you don't.

~Art~

Just a few more questions that you refuse to answer
How many LRL’s have you operated?
How many LRL’s have you held in your hand?
How many LRL’s have you opened up to look at the electronics?
How many LRL’s have you tested with electronic test equipment.
How many manufacturers of LRL’s have you had explain their theories to you?
How many LRL schematics have you read that came from the manufactures?
No need to go on as if you answer these questions honestly every one will know just what you are..Art..

Now we know that you are not qualified to talk about LRL’s as a professional in electronics...All the proof that you talk about is just gossips
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gossip
Gossip is idle talk or rumour, especially about the personal or private affairs of others. It is one of the oldest and most common means of sharing facts and views, but also has a reputation for the introduction of errors and variations into the information transmitted. The term can also imply that the idle chat or news is of personal or trivial nature, as opposed to normal conversation, but may not be intentionally malicious. Gossip can also be defined as the spreading or creation of rumours or slander.
In the last decade, gossip has been researched in terms of its evolutionary psychology origins.[1] This has found gossip to be an important means by which people can monitor cooperative reputations and so maintain widespread indirect reciprocity.[2] Indirect reciprocity is defined here as "I help you and somebody else helps me." Gossip has also been identified by Robin Dunbar, an evolutionary biologist, as aiding social bonding in large groups.[3] With the advent of the internet gossip is now widespread on an instant basis, from one place in the world to another what used to take a long time to filter through is now instant.

Your sources of information are unknown but yet you claim them as facts. You claim that the electronics in LRL’s are non functional but have never tested them...You claim that the schematics show that they are non functional but do not know if what other skeptics have shown you are real or fakes. You rant that the theory of operation of LRL’s is bogus but have not talked to the people who’s theories they are. We have told you that most of the 100’s of manufactures have different theories on how a LRL should work but never have ask them about their theories...

A professional in electronics you may be...But when it comes to LRL’s you are not.

Sorry if you feel these questions are an insult but you just proved that they are no..Just plain old facts...Art

 

[EE THr]

Art---

Your feeble attempts at personal attacks, merely attest to your lack of any substantial evidence to back up your fantasized claims.

You are still your own best debunker.

Thanks for your help.

 

[aarthrj3811]

~EE~
Art---

Your feeble attempts at personal attacks, merely attest to your lack of any substantial evidence to back up your fantasized claims.
You are still your own best debunker.
Thanks for your help.

Thank You EE ...Do you have any more gossip to put on this LRL board?..Art

 

[EE THr]

~EE~
Art---

Your feeble attempts at personal attacks, merely attest to your lack of any substantial evidence to back up your fantasized claims.
You are still your own best debunker.
Thanks for your help.

Thank You EE ...Do you have any more gossip to put on this LRL board?..Art

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