✅ SOLVED what is this thing with german patent #

[taz42o]

I dug this by what I think was foundation of a one room school house. Is it for putting holes in paper? Is it old or do they still make these.?

 

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[Breezie]

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Even though I dont believe this item is part of a fire alarm { the main reasons being the patent # and the fact it makes no sense as a weight like item "K" in patent} i wanted to see a better picture of the ward and luce fire alarm. The early fire alarms im finding are hand crank telegraph alarms like the ones in link below, being used in mid 1800s at the time of ward and luce patent. Just because something was patented does not mean it was ever produced or used. Im thinking the ward and luce fire alarm may never have been produced or used.

http://www.cjow.com/archive/article.php?month=4&a=04Fire+Alarm+and+Police+Call+Boxes.htm&year=1988

Wow what a terrible invention. The person pulling the fire alarm would be trapped.

BCH, I was thinking the same thing. Can you imagine having a fire, then the alarm holds you in a burning building until a fire or police person unlocks it! Geeez, talk about a loser invention; lol Breezie

Tazo, Hopefully between T-Net & the other forums on which you've posted, you'll find out what your mystery item could be. Good Luck, Breezie

 

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[taz42o]

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I think that device was for sidewalk alarms but still amusing. I wonder if it was ever used and how many kids got caught making false alarms before that got wise to it.

BigC the item I have is in to bad of shape to see any # at all .I was hoping to get looker to post more pics but dont think he or she is around anymore, not sure.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Heres another bad invention.

 

[prokosla]

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It looks like there was something glued to the inside of the smaller compartment. Can you tell what it might have been by the residue that's left?

 

[taz42o]

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It looks like there was something glued to the inside of the smaller compartment. Can you tell what it might have been by the residue that's left?

Not sure it was glued but it has steel (rust) around the inside edge. The colored spot in the back is green from the brass.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Do the springs keep it shut?

 

[taz42o]

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Do the springs keep it shut?

They dont do Anything anymore but the spring on the part with rust would have flipped it open to 90 degrees, the spring on the other side would have pulled it shut.
So, when you squeezed the top you were working against that spring to open it but then the other spring would flip the piece with rust to 90 degrees and that would hold it open.
The short answer would be, one one way , one the other way.
Hope that makes sense.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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I understand. I am not sure we have the correct patent numbers and that maybe why we cannot find a matching diagram. An 8 could be a 3 or a 3 an 8. How many times have we seen that happen here. Its a possibility.

LQQKER's last post was 2008.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Could there be any possibility that this is a US patent and Breezie is correct that these are some kind of funky weights? Afterall we dont have a picture of the DRP.

 

[taz42o]

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I understand. I am not sure we have the correct patent numbers and that maybe why we cannot find a matching diagram. An 8 could be a 3 or a 3 an 8. How many times have we seen that happen here. Its a possibility.

LQQKER's last post was 2008.

Im sure its possible the # is wrong but would guess Looker had the drp part correct but no I cant be sure. I am sure its not a weight. You have seen the pics does it look like a weight to you? It would be a pretty complicated spring loaded nickle plated brass weight. And it only weighs 13 grams ,not much weight there.

 

[Breezie]

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The item looks to be letters "K," which are different from the "J's," which do appear to be weights.

Here is a website where it was discussed in 2009, and someone else thought it was a fire/burglar alarm.

http://thunting.com/smf/what_is_it/school_find-t10075.0.html

 

[prokosla]

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Do we know where LQQKER found his? Was it near a school also?
I noticed that one of these things has a rounded end and the other is squared.

 

[NGE]

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Maybe early nasty version of a doctor's circumcision tool. OUCH!............NGE

 

[taz42o]

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Do we know where LQQKER found his? Was it near a school also?
I noticed that one of these things has a rounded end and the other is squared.

Here is Lookers post someone ask about where it was found but never got a reply.
I also noticed the round and square ends maybe different makers or different years made? but otherwise they appear identical.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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The item looks to be letters "K," which are different from the "J's," which do appear to be weights.

Here is a website where it was discussed in 2009, and someone else thought it was a fire/burglar alarm.

http://thunting.com/smf/what_is_it/school_find-t10075.0.html

With all due respect Breezie the only reason they thought firealarm is because they made the same mistake as you did and typed the German patent number in a US patent search. The picture is NOT definitive. The only chance this would have is if the item is a US patent number and does not really say DRP..

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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I understand. I am not sure we have the correct patent numbers and that maybe why we cannot find a matching diagram. An 8 could be a 3 or a 3 an 8. How many times have we seen that happen here. Its a possibility.

LQQKER's last post was 2008.

Im sure its possible the # is wrong but would guess Looker had the drp part correct but no I cant be sure. I am sure its not a weight. You have seen the pics does it look like a weight to you? It would be a pretty complicated spring loaded nickle plated brass weight. And it only weighs 13 grams ,not much weight there.

No it does not look like a weight unless something is missing..

Its most likely DRP and we are reading one number wrong. I wish we could see your numbers/letters.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Do we know where LQQKER found his? Was it near a school also?
I noticed that one of these things has a rounded end and the other is squared.

Good observation. I hadnt noticed.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Bump. This thingamajigger has been found by several members, has a German patent number and we still dont have a clue as to the ID of this item. Is anyone good on old German patent searches? It may be from 1888.

DRP No. 50863 (Deutsches Reichspatent number 50863). That means it holds a german design patent from prior to May 1945.


I think its safe to say its still a mystery. So far the guesses are pipe cleaner, BB gun speed loader, ink pad, spring holder, chalk holder, pencil/pen holder, or fire alarm weight.


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,202083.0.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Another one was found that appears to say DRPA which means German Reich Patent pending (Deutsches Reich Patent angemeldet) ... At least we now have a picture but I wonder if pending makes any difference in the patent search? http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,385670.0.html

 

[taz42o]

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Ok BigC you put pic here and here is the link, so i will try to delete my other post to stop the confusion.
I dont know if 'patent pending' has numbers unless, later on it received a patent. I think it did because mine is not marked , WTRs is marked DRPA and lookers has the DRP no. 50863
Also There is the matter of slight differences square to rounded ends.
Thanks for your help and all your time trying to ID this thing

I have had this thing for a 2 years and still no ID.
Thanks to everyone who has tried to help.

Here is the link to other one that was found.

http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?p=704935#post704935