What Have We Really Learned In Recent Weeks?

[ECS]

On the very merits that there is NO EVIDENCE OUTSIDE of the Beale Papers, and no evidence has been found in 135 years to prove otherwise, that the perilous adventure of the Beale Party as described ever actually occurred.
NONE.

If one can not present a body of evidence that can show beyond a reasonable doubt that this adventure and treasure actually occurred, then without this body of evidence, the Beale Papers are nothing more than a novel, like Tom Sawyer, The Wizard Of Oz, or the myriad of western adventure and treasure dime novels that were abundant during that time period.

While one may mention that the names of "real" people were used in the Beale Papers as evidentiary fact, the dime novels of that period also employed real people names in tales of fabricated fantasy fiction of perilous adventure.

The Beale Papers are and always will be a period dime novel pamphlet, but with the gimmick of play along ciphers as an added bonus.
With the total lack of outside confirming facts for 135 years, the fact that Beale Papers was a period dime novel written and publish for profit stands on its merits.

 

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[ECS]

It addition to the aforementioned error concerning the Right Rev Luscombe's relation to Pauline Innis, you once stated on these Beale threads that she was a distant cousin of George Hart.
Maybe you should take Bigscoop's advice and "brush up" on that Richmond Beale's genealogy.

What we have all really learned, is when one corrects with actual proof the misinformation on these threads that was posted as fact, one suffers the slings and arrows of outrageous remarks by those corrected.
If, as several have stated on these threads, that the purpose of posting is to finally determine if the Beale adventure treasure is true or just a dime novel for profit, one would think the corrections of such information errors are welcomed.
It is very apparent they are not.

 

[franklin]

Prove it is a dime novel. Find the author and where he wrote it from. Can't find it. I know it is hard to find sitting in front of the keyboard.

 

[ECS]

For 135 years, No One, not even you, Franklin, have produced any hard evidence that can prove that anything in the Beale Papers narrative text ever happened outside of the pages of the 1885 job print pamphlet.
One can present family genealogies of the people named in the pamphlet's pages, but that does not prove the events in the narration occurred, or that the names were only employed as characters to heighten the presented tale.
The Beale Papers were not published until the passing of Pascal and Francis Buford and Anzoletta Saunders who could provide actual eyewitness accounts of two different critical portions of the Beale story.

 

[franklin]

There is a letter or documents out there from the 1880's to the 1900's that will verify whether the story is fiction or not. We just have not located that letter yet.

 

[bigscoop]

There is a letter or documents out there from the 1880's to the 1900's that will verify whether the story is fiction or not. We just have not located that letter yet.

At this late in the game, and with so many qualified people having sought said document over the years, I seriously doubt that said document will ever be found or that it even exist. And let's not forget what we know about the narration that isn't true, claims and statements in that narration that we do have contrary provenance for. So at this point I think the total lack of any supporting evidence/provenance in favor of the narration stands pretty strong as actual provenance against the tale. And remember, science and history have established that there was no mine as described and that the author of the narration/letters had little first hand knowledge of the hard rock mining process during the period in question. We also know that same author lied about how the ciphers came to be known as 1,2,3, etc., along with many other statements he made that aren't true/accurate. So I think at this point there is considerable evidence/fact standing against much of what the author narrated, yet not even a sliver in support of anything he detailed.

 

[ECS]

There is a letter or documents out there from the 1880's to the 1900's that will verify whether the story is fiction or not. We just have not located that letter yet.

There will always be a letter, or document, or just one more location, just sayin'.

 

[bigscoop]

And to add to my previous post, since my disclosing that length alone could not determine the correct order of the ciphers many have set out and contrived alternate ways in which that order could have been known, however, in doing so these proposed alternate remedies are only concluding that the author did in fact lie about how the ciphers came to be known as 1,2, & 3. So in essence they are confirming that the author fabricated this portion of his tale which pretty much concludes that nothing he said can be taken as accurate or true. So these true believers are only establishing that the narration's details are highly questionable and that the author's word can't be trusted. So even these folks continue to cast more doubt on the true nature of the narration, they are not offering the narration more credibility as they believe they are.

 

[bigscoop]

And to add to my previous post, since my disclosing that length alone could not determine the correct order of the ciphers many have set out and contrived alternate ways in which that order could have been known, however, in doing so these proposed alternate remedies are only concluding that the author did in fact lie about how the ciphers came to be known as 1,2, & 3. So in essence they are confirming that the author fabricated this portion of his tale which pretty much concludes that nothing he said can be taken as accurate or true. So these true believers are only establishing that the narration's details are highly questionable and that the author's word can't be trusted. So even these folks continue to cast more doubt on the true nature of the narration, they are not offering the narration more credibility as they believe they are.

 

[ECS]

What we have learned in the last two days is that Crytography/Masterpoe like to flood the Beale threads with useless bumps that serve no real purpose in the Beale discussion except for the express purpose to further the animosity between TN members and possibly having the entire Beale topic locked by the moderators.

 

[bigscoop]

What we have learned in the last two days is that Crytography/Masterpoe like to flood the Beale threads with useless bumps that serve no real purpose in the Beale discussion except for the express purpose to further the animosity between TN members and possibly having the entire Beale topic locked by the moderators.

They're just having a difficult time trying to account for all of the contrary fact that they've overlooked so in their frustration with those realities they're just reacting out in that frustration. A shame, really, as the only way to discover any possible alternate truth is through truth itself, which they are being handed over and over again.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

What we have learned in the last two days is that Crytography/Masterpoe like to flood the Beale threads with useless bumps that serve no real purpose in the Beale discussion except for the express purpose to further the animosity between TN members and possibly having the entire Beale topic locked by the moderators.

They are NOT the only ones, it is BOTH sides. [emoji35]

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[ECS]

 

[bigscoop]

I think in recent days folks are coming to terms with the many deceptions and inaccuracies that exist within the Beale tale, an author obviously with little actual knowledge of the subjects he describes in both the alleged letters and in his narration, his personal knowledge of these subjects not going beyond basic generalizations and only "assumed" processes and practices, his assumptions being wrong in a great deal of his presentation. It's these same assumptions that have inspired much of what has been published and claimed about the Beale story over the years, only now are a lot of these false assumptions finally being put to rest.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Eh...?

 

[franklin]

I have learned a lot lately. All you have to do is let the facts hit you in the face instead of the thought of the treasure. I have researched many treasures. While you are researching you will find more leads to other facts and eventually you can see the whole picture. But the Beale Treasure is different every avenue of research comes to a dead end. I have tried every avenue and each and every one has come up with a DEAD END. When this happens there is no treasure to be found.

 

[ECS]

After all the discussions and arguments and research down several different avenues by many TN members on these threads, it seems that all attempts at proving the Beale story as true have been exhausted, with the obvious conclusion being that the Beale Papers was a created work of fiction with purposeful references to make appear true for the intended purpose of selling it for profit.
Still unknown, and it will probably never be known, is the identity of the "unknown author".
Most likely James Beverly Ward and "a very limited circle-the writer's immediate family, and one old and valued friend" were the "unknown author".

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A FAMOUS Yogi once said; "It is, what it is...".

 

[ECS]

...and now after all the sound and fury of claimed cipher solutions and additional information to be revealed in the future,
nothing but the SOUNDS OF SILENCE.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A TAUNT...?