WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

[Rebel - KGC]

so, this is a book, about a book that describes an event?

Yes...

 

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[ECS]

there is a whole internet out there full of good stuff on beale. thanks for your help.

...and there is a lot of false information out there on Beale, on the job print pamphlet, and on the ciphers.

 

[franklin]

Good to know but I think we could have figured that out for ourselves?

 

[ECS]

If you say so.

 

[ECS]

FURTHER... PV alluded to the CONFEDERATE WAR "theory" in his book, THE BEALE TREASURE: NEW History of a MYSTERY; Chapt. 22, pg. 168-172. "The few men who knew about the stash would keep it SECRET..."; later to be discovered/recovered/utilized for Lynchburg/Lexington, Va. AND! Virginia Military Institute (aka VMI). Yank "Black Dave" Hunter previously destroyed Lexington, Va. & VMI, after wreaking havoc in the GREAT VALLEY of Virginia (aka Shenandoah Valley). Gen. R.E. Lee had advised CSA Prez J. Davis to move "Richmond Stores" to Lynchburg, Va. & points WEST, as Richmond, Va. was "falling"... (Yanks were advancing up from Petersburg, Va.); so...

From a literary perspective, the Beale story actually begins during the "2nd year of the Confederate War", when Robert Morriss told the "unknown author" about the events, the iron box with the ciphers, and the Beale "letters" which became the basis of the BEALE PAPERS that Ward copyrighted and published 20 years after the Confederate War.

"Like every one else, he (Ward) was ignorant of this episode in Mr Morriss's career, until the manuscript was placed into his hands"..
... but in this manuscript the Unknown author" also states:
"Knowledge of this affair was confined to a very limited circle-to the writer's immediate family, and to one old and valued friend".

So was this knowledge "confined to a very limited circle" and "every one else was ignorant" of this Beale story?
There is a confliction in these two statements.

 

[ECS]

Also to consider is that in the presented finish manuscript the "unknown author" mentions Max Guggenheimer and while not having his actual name in the manuscript, Ward is also mentioned.
What makes this interesting is that both become characters in the Beale Papers and, of course, their involvement to "circulate these papers" in 1885.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I "see" your "confusion" & I agree that the REAL story starts with the "revealing" of the "SECRET" by RM "in the second year of the CONFEDERATE WAR" to the unknown author (Maj. F.C. Hutter in MHO), who was CSA PAYMASTER, and was called to Richmond, Va. "Confined to a very limited circle" is of course, Maj. FC Hutter (CSA), Maj. ES Hutter (CSA) & relations descended from JB Risque (MHO). "One old & trusted friend" was 1st Lt. Newton Hazlewood, CSA (MHO), who had the ORIGINAL "ciphers", copied by Clayton Hart (who changed the FIGURES/Numbers SLIGHTLY)... NH PROBABLY had the "Ciphers" since 1865, end of the CONFEDERATE WAR. NOW! The HART Bros. were able to add some info by interviewing "JB" Ward & son, as to the "fleshed out" JOB PRINT, seeing the FAKE Beale Expedition of 1819-1822 "added on"... BUT! ALL we had from @ 1865, were the "Ciphers", PROBABLY a "cover-up" for the WESTERN Virginia portion of the CSA Treasury ("Richmond Stores"); "marked" for Lynchburg, Va. (state capital of Virginia, April 7-10, 1865; FACT), Lexington, Va. & VMI (rebuilding such after Yank "Black Dave" Hunter DESTROYED the Shenandoah Valley, Lexington, Va. & VMI). Of course, Gen. Jubal Anderson Early (CSA) kicked Hunter's arse to West Virginia, and SOME Yanks "high-tailed" it back up to the Peaks of Otter, & Shenandoah Valley. Ppl from Mons, Va. sniped at 'em, too. Heh...

 

[franklin]

You most likely need to check into David Saunders Jr. and David Saunders Sr. There was a David Saunders Sr. and a David Saunders Jr. living in Richmond, Va during the Civil War. And David Saunders Sr. was the Mayor of Richmond during the Civil War.

Now Rebel KGC maybe you see the Civil War connections and the book by PV Honor and Deceit.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You most likely need to check into David Saunders Jr. and David Saunders Sr. There was a David Saunders Sr. and a David Saunders Jr. living in Richmond, Va during the Civil War. And David Saunders Sr. was the Mayor of Richmond during the Civil War.

Now Rebel KGC maybe you see the Civil War connections and the book by PV Honor and Deceit.

COULD BE... ya think RM died in Richmond, Va.? MAYBE, buried there? Hollywood Cemetery?

 

[franklin]

COULD BE... ya think RM died in Richmond, Va.?

No a Mayor's son could have lived in Lynchburg, Va. on Rosalyn Street and he could have had another home or apartment in Richmond, Va since his father was Mayor.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

No a Mayor's son could have lived in Lynchburg, Va. on Rosalyn Street and he could have had another home or apartment in Richmond, Va since his father was Mayor.

True...

 

[ECS]

I "see" your "confusion" & I agree that the REAL story starts with the "revealing" of the "SECRET" by RM "in the second year of the CONFEDERATE WAR" to the unknown author (Maj. F.C. Hutter in MHO), who was CSA PAYMASTER, and was called to Richmond, Va. "Confined to a very limited circle" is of course, Maj. FC Hutter (CSA), Maj. ES Hutter (CSA) & relations descended from JB Risque (MHO). "One old & trusted friend" was 1st Lt. Newton Hazlewood, CSA (MHO), who had the ORIGINAL "ciphers", copied by Clayton Hart (who changed the FIGURES/Numbers SLIGHTLY)... NH PROBABLY had the "Ciphers" since 1865, end of the CONFEDERATE WAR. NOW! The HART Bros. were able to add some info by interviewing "JB" Ward & son, as to the "fleshed out" JOB PRINT, seeing the FAKE Beale Expedition of 1819-1822 "added on"... BUT! ALL we had from @ 1865, were the "Ciphers", PROBABLY a "cover-up" for the WESTERN Virginia portion of the CSA Treasury ("Richmond Stores"); "marked" for Lynchburg, Va. (state capital of Virginia, April 7-10, 1865; FACT), Lexington, Va. & VMI (rebuilding such after Yank "Black Dave" Hunter DESTROYED the Shenandoah Valley, Lexington, Va. & VMI). Of course, Gen. Jubal Anderson Early (CSA) kicked Hunter's arse to West Virginia, and SOME Yanks "high-tailed" it back up to the Peaks of Otter, & Shenandoah Valley. Ppl from Mons, Va. sniped at 'em, too. Heh...

The point being "the FAKE Beale Expedition of 1819-1822" AND this story being "revealed" by Robert Morriss to this "unknown author" during the "2nd year of the Confederate War".

 

[franklin]

The point being "the FAKE Beale Expedition of 1819-1822" AND this story being "revealed" by Robert Morriss to this "unknown author" during the "2nd year of the Confederate War".

One thing you must remember also is that Robert Morriss was a Southern Sympathizer. He also held Masonic Meetings and Ball Dances at the Washington Inn and at the Franklin Hotel.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Well, it WAS 1862/63, that the SECRET was revealed; RM died in 1863. Was it a "deathbed" confession? Did RM "make-up" the FAKE part of the story? Dunno... by 1885 or so, MAYBE John Williams Sherman made it all up.

 

[franklin]

Sherman would not have had a reason to make up the story unless he wanted to try and make some cash from a story. Now the Rebels on the other hand with Frank James' help would have had a really good reason to make up a cover up story either to retrieve treasure at a later date or to leave the treasure for a future Civil War II.

 

[ECS]

Once again the topic has been diverged from analyzing the Beale Papers as a work of literature. While events from the Risqué extended family bloodline influences in the Beale narrative text can be found, and allusions to Freemasonry, many events and names thrown into the discussion do not, and have no bearing on the narrative text of the Beale perilous adventure and treasure story.

As with the wizard of OZ, it is ignoring the man behind the curtain- in the case of the Beale Papers, it is the "unknown author" that is ignored. This "unknown author" is where the Beale Papers originated with his "manuscript", based on what he was allegedly told by Robert Morriss. This "unknown author" is the ONLY one who saw the iron box, the handwritten letters from Beale, and the original handwritten ciphers and receipts.

Did Ward, when recruited as "agent" believe this story true, and did he search for this treasure?
Yes, we know Ward's great grandson's remarks made to Lt Fawcett in the 1930's, but he also qualified that with stating his non belief in the treasure story.

The Beale Papers narrative story, as literature, revolves around the statements contained in the manuscript given to Ward by this "unknown author". All the information concerning the perilous adventure and the treasure vault, for all intents and purposes, come from this manuscript, NOT from the alleged letters contained in the narrative text, which clearly states that ONLY Morriss and the "unknown author" were the ones to see these letters.
Everything in the Beale Papers is based on ACCEPTING THE WORD of this 'unknown author" as truth.

 

[franklin]

There you go again railroading a great discussion and it has relevance to the Beale Treasure. Robert Morriss dying at the home of David Saunders and David Saunders being the Mayor of Richmond, Va. during the Civil War. If you do not see the connection something wrong?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

There you go again railroading a great discussion and it has relevance to the Beale Treasure. Robert Morriss dying at the home of David Saunders and David Saunders being the Mayor of Richmond, Va. during the Civil War. If you do not see the connection something wrong?

Will agree with franklin on this one; we have FACTS of REAL history on "our" side, even if the "JOB PRINT" is FICTION... WE have FACTION, which I have ALREADY disclosed.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

R & I will continue on the Saunders; David Saunders, Sr. was MAYOR of Richmond, Va. during the CONFEDERATE WAR? David Saunders, Jr. was living on Roslyn Street, which is a SHORT Street, in a historic District above the 12th Street Tobacco Warehouses during the CONFEDERATE WAR; they MAY HAVE been utilized as Hospitals, then... dunno.

 

[ECS]

There you go again railroading a great discussion and it has relevance to the Beale Treasure. Robert Morriss dying at the home of David Saunders and David Saunders being the Mayor of Richmond, Va. during the Civil War. If you do not see the connection something wrong?

Franklin, this is a discussion of the 1885 Beale Papers as a work of literature, what influences are found in the story narrative, NOT a whose who of genealogy relations which has become a distraction from the Beale narrative.

What I am trying to communicate is that this "UNKNOWN AUTHOR" is the PROTAGONIST of the Beale Papers, first telling his involvement with Morriss in hearing the Beale story and relating that in FIRST PERSON, then the Beale involvement with Morriss and the perilous adventure and treasure story is told by the "UNKNOWN AUTHOR" in THIRD PERSON, then he returns to FIRST PERSON explain his work at solving C2 and failing at the others which cause him to contact James Beverly Ward as agent and publisher.

From that standpoint, the Beale Papers are a well written tale, with suspense building to draw the reader in, with names dropped to induce believability, to the denouement and climax with the reveal of the ciphers, one DOI solved, the others unsolved.

Whether the Beale story is true or not, or a coverup for another event with the ciphers leading to a fabulous treasure of gold, silver, and jewels in iron pots, THE BEALE PAPERS is written in the form of an adventure novel of that time period.