Wagoner's Lost Ledge

[SPARTANOC]

Speaking of Hewitt..........and Millsite.....
Get a 1900 USGS map of the area and find the horse.
May give some "fun spots" to investigate, if you're into seeing faces in maps View attachment 2179729View attachment 2179728

Okay - that's just too cool! Of course, I'm easily amused....

 

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[cuzimloony]

Okay - that's just too cool! Of course, I'm easily amused....

Notice that the horses "eyes" are Millsite Canyon and Buzzard's Roost (not labled on the map), using roads, rivers and contours to form the shapes. Buzzard's Roost is the name of a Jesse James hideout in Oklahoma, making an appearance here in the Sups.
Well, if your "brain's eye" is creative enough, you can see a 5-pointed star on Buzzards Roost if you go there.
It's not a small star you have to be close to see. You can see it from miles out with binos.
The other eye is Millsite Canyon........

Im not going to point it out. I'm hoping you can see it w/o help. When I show this to local dutch-hunters, they see nothing. Well, they say they see nothing.........
I do, but maybe it's bias and an over-active imagination. Does anyone else see it?

 

[SPARTANOC]

Notice that the horses "eyes" are Millsite Canyon and Buzzard's Roost (not labled on the map), using roads, rivers and contours to form the shapes. Buzzard's Roost is the name of a Jesse James hideout in Oklahoma, making an appearance here in the Sups.
Well, if your "brain's eye" is creative enough, you can see a 5-pointed star on Buzzards Roost if you go there.
It's not a small star you have to be close to see. You can see it from miles out with binos.
The other eye is Millsite Canyon........ View attachment 2179736
Im not going to point it out. I'm hoping you can see it w/o help. When I show this to local dutch-hunters, they see nothing. Well, they say they see nothing.........
I do, but maybe it's bias and an over-active imagination. Does anyone else see it?

I believe I can see it - I'm taking in consideration, that your reference to the STAR is for the Waltz story?

 

[cuzimloony]

I believe I can see it - I'm taking in consideration, that your reference to the STAR is for the Waltz story?

Well, yes and no. Maybe
My current running theory(?) idea(?) is that the Wagoner and the Dutchman, (and other stories written by other authors) are "planted" stories. You know...."Russian prostitutes and pee tapes," to distract you from what's really going on. A large group hiding LARGE money, so large they have a team of deceptive things going on.
But..... incase that theory is wrong, Im hiking and looking into all that I can, because Ive been wrong many, many times before.
I didnt think the Wagoner could do it. Now, I know he couldn't, as described by Barry Storm. So, I dont need to spend time on that part of the story. It is clearly either a fanciful story, an overactive imaginative author who only slightly changes things for personal interests, or purposeful deception as part of a larger initiative. I think the latter.
So, if Barry Storm were working somehow deceptively for "corporate" interests (and I am pulling that out of my wahzoo as I have zero evidence for that. It is a hunch I need to flesh out...), then this story relates to Buzzards Roost because its all part of the same show.
BUT, I may be alone here so, with respect to OP, because I dont want to derail this thread with my pet theories anymore, (Im starting to feel guilty), Ill do my best to refrain from bringing it up here and stick to the classic Wagoners themes. That said, Im including one last pic of Buzzards Roost from a book published in 2003. I think some erosion may have happened between then and now, so, it may be clearer in this pic.

I AM comfortable saying, however, I think Barry Storm may have had reasons for pulling the location from Millsite Canyon and putting it in the LaBarge area.....and as such am comfortable discussing Millsite in the context of Wagoners.

 

[SPARTANOC]

Well, yes and no. Maybe
My current running theory(?) idea(?) is that the Wagoner and the Dutchman, (and other stories written by other authors) are "planted" stories. You know...."Russian prostitutes and pee tapes," to distract you from what's really going on. A large group hiding LARGE money, so large they have a team of deceptive things going on.
But..... incase that theory is wrong, Im hiking and looking into all that I can, because Ive been wrong many, many times before.
I didnt think the Wagoner could do it. Now, I know he couldn't, as described by Barry Storm. So, I dont need to spend time on that part of the story. It is clearly either a fanciful story, an overactive imaginative author who only slightly changes things for personal interests, or purposeful deception as part of a larger initiative. I think the latter.
So, if Barry Storm were working somehow deceptively for "corporate" interests (and I am pulling that out of my wahzoo as I have zero evidence for that. It is a hunch I need to flesh out...), then this story relates to Buzzards Roost because its all part of the same show.
BUT, I may be alone here so, with respect to OP, because I dont want to derail this thread with my pet theories anymore, (Im starting to feel guilty), Ill do my best to refrain from bringing it up here and stick to the classic Wagoners themes.
I AM comfortable saying, however, I think Barry Storm may have had reasons for pulling the location from Millsite Canyon and putting it in the LaBarge area.....and as such am comfortable discussing Millsite in the context of Wagoners.

Cuzimloony

As the topic of Wagoner's story is this thread's subject - being the sole focus here, I would agree to narrow things towards just the Wagoner's ideas, clues, thoughts, etc. We don't want to "pollute" this thread and we should always respect the OP.

If you want to elaborate on the Waltz legend, your ideas and possible finds - I say create a new thread, so as to continue the thoughts and ideas of who, what, where, why and how on the subject.

I'm game for any discussions on the matter.....

My two focuses personally have been Senner's gold AND the LDM (or any Peralta mine for that matter).

-SpartanOC

 

[cuzimloony]

Cuzimloony

As the topic of Wagoner's story is this thread's subject - being the sole focus here, I would agree to narrow things towards just the Wagoner's ideas, clues, thoughts, etc. We don't want to "pollute" this thread and we should always respect the OP.

If you want to elaborate on the Waltz legend, your ideas and possible finds - I say create a new thread, so as to continue the thoughts and ideas of who, what, where, why and how on the subject.

I'm game for any discussions on the matter.....

My two focuses personally have been Senner's gold AND the LDM (or any Peralta mine for that matter).

-SpartanOC

Sure and agreed. Im long winded and high energy My thoughts. The Wagoner story is fake, as told by Barry Storm, who, in my opinion is writing deceptively for "reasons."
Which..........leads me to ask, what about the Tom Kollenborn story? Same place right? A team of men would totally be up to this.
It seems to me though, Tom MAY have had a habit of writing about stories only after he found the loot OR possibly altering enough of the story to protect his interests.......... See what sgt says (Toms best friend I believe) in the Senners Gold thread. That is not a slight against Tom and his life's work. I have nothing but the upmost respect for him.

 

[SPARTANOC]

Sure and agreed. Im long winded and high energy My thoughts. The Wagoner story is fake, as told by Barry Storm, who, in my opinion is writing deceptively for "reasons."
Which..........leads me to ask, what about the Tom Kollenborn story? Same place right? A team of men would totally be up to this.
It seems to me though, Tom MAY have had a habit of writing about stories only after he found the loot OR possibly altering enough of the story to protect his interests.......... See what sgt says (Toms best friend I believe) in the Senners Gold thread. That is not a slight against Tom and his life's work. I have nothing but the upmost respect for him.

Absolutely agree. Tom's work is amazing and as I'm concerned, it's legendary work. As that statement settles, I have the perspective that Tom wouldn't reveal anything of importance, unless he already went there OR he's still looking in an area of interest. Like you said regarding the Senner story - as it appears Tom knew more, but for personal reasons left out some of the most important details. And I believe the biggest detail left out, is there's more of Senner's Gold out there to be found.

Let me know if or when you create a new thread on the LDM story and I'll jump on to discuss things....

As for the High Energy comment - I too am exploding with energetic curiosity myself

-SpartanOC

 

[cuzimloony]

Absolutely agree. Tom's work is amazing and as I'm concerned, it's legendary work. As that statement settles, I have the perspective that Tom wouldn't reveal anything of importance, unless he already went there OR he's still looking in an area of interest. Like you said regarding the Senner story - as it appears Tom knew more, but for personal reasons left out some of the most important details. And I believe the biggest detail left out, is there's more of Senner's Gold out there to be found.

Let me know if or when you create a new thread on the LDM story and I'll jump on to discuss things....

As for the High Energy comment - I too am exploding with energetic curiosity myself

-SpartanOC

Someone once told me, Senner just hid it in the cracks. Bring up a pinpointer and you're golden. I still haven't done it.
But, Im curious about Tom locating his miners here, Storm locating his Wagoner here and the Mexican girl locating Waltz here (which is making it impossible for my brain to separate the Waltz story). All the same spot, more or less. 2 of those stories, imo, are impossible. Tom has the only believable one left, at least to me. And if the location is right (ignoring Millsite) then a team of men, with mules and provisions, etc.. could get there, and almost anywhere in the sups with enough effort. If we want to stay at this location, then we (again, imo) should accept its not a Wagoner, but a team of Wagoners, because this location isn't being worked by a lone old man.