Wagoner's Lost Ledge

[cuzimloony]

If you happen to go up in the box, check out Bradford's old place and "Brad's Water". Looks like you were also right at "Herman's Cave."

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I've had good luck going HF in canyons and mountains. I have a little Xiegu X6100 that has an internal battery and integrated key (a button, but better than nothing).
At least someone would hear you...they might be in NM but you could get an SOS out with your geocoords.

Nice rig! You actually trek that into the mountains? You get a trophy and a hand clap from me. How do you like the Xiegu? I've been looking at the Icom QRP rig with the internal battery. I just don't like the price tag... I wonder, when you pack it in, do you store your hf rig next to your water baldder? lol. Here's my hf rig below.... A Yaesu FT-991a (without a key because Im a Morse dummy). I've always been a bit jealous of you key guys.....every tme I start to learn, I get sidetracked. Now, I apologize for all these pics with my face in it. I know it's not a treasure hunter thing to do, but it's just circumstance. The only pic I have of Woody, Im in it. And now, the only pic I have of my rig handy, is the pic I used for my QSL Cards so.... It is what it is. W1SAE here. I don't care if people know my callsign. It's tied to a POBox anyway . Anyone can feel free to look for me at the post office in Florence.
I did consider going to Herman's cave, but the day before I went in, I watched a video of a guy who hiked it and it took the allure out of it for me. It's not a treasure cave. There's not a story behind it as far as I know. It's just a cave named after Herman, who never went to that cave ( I think). More importantly.....daylight. I started at 8am and wanted to start at 6am. I lost 2 hours because of tooling around and a leaky water bladder that needed to be replaced with another I had on hand. Brad's Place, on the other hand, is something I'd love to see. I also want to get out there now with my radios and listen....... someone else was out there. I heard them briefly on GMRS channel 1, which means they were probably using little 2 watt radios. I wasn't alone out there even though it felt like it.

 

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[cuzimloony]

The next thing about Jessie’s story that stands out is he seems to disagree with where Wagoner went, as told by Storm. His quote about the likelihood of Wagoner doing such a trip: “When I was 15 years old and healthy as the next, I couldn't have walked that far, dug out two suitcases of ore, and walked back in a week, much less three days just traveling at night. "

I think it’s obvious at this point that one should not put too much faith in Storm’s map and directions. Storm seems to have massaged the story to fit his favorite locations, not the first time he’d done something like that. Jessie claimed to have seen some of the gold from Wagoner’s Lost Ledge, presumably shown to him by Hebe MacDonald. Jessie also goes on to say that Hebe looked for the ledge, couldn’t find it, then eventually traced Wagoner to Tucson, only to find out that Wagoner had died.

Whether or not one believes the legend, perhaps Wagoner found a cache of hand-cobbed ore that was too big to get out of the desert in one or two trips. This could explain how he could get suitcases of ore out in 3 days. After all, there was not a lot said of Wagoner having much in the way of mining tools. If he had no tools, it had to have been mined previously.

Strangely enough, there is good evidence that other people have found caches of hand-cobbed ore in that area...but not the area described by Storm...If I were looking for this treasure, I’d be looking around the Millsite Canyon area.

When I first learned of this story, I was with Frank Augustine in Millsite Canyon. He gave me the Wagoner version, while looking over some areas Tom Kollenborn had told him about, which may or may not have been related to the story. So..... I believe that you are not the only person to associate Millsite with the Wagoner. Millsite is at least drivable and the road is walkable. I could believe that an old man could walk it, but not with a suitcase of rocks.....

 

[Crow]

Gold is heavy amigo. Even if it was of rock samples. Combine. with heat. terrain and age.

It does not add up.

Crow

 

[cuzimloony]

Gold is heavy amigo. Even if it was of rock samples. Combine. with heat. terrain and age.

It does not add up.

Crow

Absolutely, 100% agreed.
I'm working on a-whole-nother thread about this, but lets say "I" were able to and had the where-with-all to hide a lot of gold. Not "backpack full of rocks" amounts, but "I own multiple mining companies" amounts of gold. ("I" can be a person, group of people....bankers for example, etc..).
Let's hypothetically say that you wanted to hide this gold, and wanted nobody to even begin to look near the place you were going to hide it. If you DID have the ability to do this, wouldn't you then plant stories in the newspapers to force people to look in a completely unrelated location? Anyhow, have you ever looked at an 1855 USGS map of this area?
There is a way, by following contour lines, rivers, canyons, etc to make the horse from the horse map. Its almost as if they could have some control over map making too......
I got loads to say about this and its only tangentially related to the Wagoner, in that, the Wagoner (and dutchman....who came by way of Natchez, or was that Reavis? Either way, BIG CLUE) is a distraction, imo. Maybe Barry Storm had a bit more incentive than we know about for writing that story.
Anyhow, Im still going to process these videos from Whiskey Spring so we can all see, if we have been in the area already, how rediculous it is for either a sick man or an 81 year old to get here on foot

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