Video 4 - The Peralta Stone Maps with Frank Augustine

[cw0909]

Something that will bring great interest to the stone subject has occurred.

your just a tease LOL, let me know where i can read about this

Unfortunately do to recent decisions by Tnet I feel that it's time to post elsewhere. Ryan and I go to great effort to bring new things to this site. Apparently Tnet does not appreciate the added attention. This happened at a very bad time for all. Something that will bring great interest to the stone subject has occurred. Our plans to share with our viewers and friends need to change. I will see you all elsewhere from this point on. I will miss our discussions on the site. I wish you all the best and remember always keep a open mind!

 

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[Roadhse2]

Long time reader, short time as a member...

I am not a TH, so rarely post as i dont have much to add to a discussion, but i do appreciate all the effort put into the search for answers and the history presented has really been enjoyable to follow. The in-fighting sometimes becomes a bit intolerable, but i have learned how to skip posts and stay with the main thread topic when needed. I too hope to be able to follow Frank & Ryan to their new posting site as they both do such a good job in researching and presenting the information to all...The LDM forum will surely be less without them, to bad it has worked out that way.

Thanks Ryan and Frank for all the great posts...Good luck to you both

Glen
Missouri

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Any more attacks on TreasureNet, mods or moderation will not end well and will cause thread to be locked for good..

 

[jeff of pa]

all the whining aside , nobody is being Driven away & rules haven't Changed.
Discussions on the LDM etc will continue here I'm sure.
Only exception I see is Free advertising cannot happen.
too many already Pay to advertise here.
telling them there are exceptions for others is not good policy.

 

[azdave35]

all the whining aside , nobody is being Driven away & rules haven't Changed.
Discussions on the LDM etc will continue here I'm sure.
Only exception I see is Free advertising cannot happen.
too many already Pay to advertise here.
telling them there are exceptions for others is not good policy.

jeff..i dont think anyone is griping about you pulling the videos...i think they just want the thread back...alot of people have contributed to that thread and they dont want to lose the info

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

As was told to Ryan, thread was deleted by admin, admin needs to restore or tell mod to restore, mods don't over rule admins when they delete a thread or post..

 

[jeff of pa]

jeff..i dont think anyone is griping about you pulling the videos...i think they just want the thread back...alot of people have contributed to that thread and they dont want to lose the info

I personally did not pull the Thread.
and I won't go over Administrations Head on it.
At this Point I have no word on If Or when the thread may be returned.
I would think the OP is in contact with Admin,
And the OP should be the one to discuss all options with admin. ... No ?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I personally did not pull the Thread.
and I won't go over Administrations Head on it.
At this Point I have no word on If Or when the thread may be returned.
I would think the OP is in contact with Admin,
And the OP should be the one to discuss all options... No ?

Ryan has admins email but admin isn't going to respond at 1am.... Patience..... The thread isn't lost, just not visible at the moment. Admins always have final say...

 

[Tnmountains]

This has become the most heavily reported and moderated section due to active member complaints.

 

[gollum]

The problem, as I see it, lies with interpretation of the TNet Rules.

I would agree with Admins 100% if Ryan had posted his video directly on TNet. Thing is, it was posted on (and hosted by YouTube). I guess that means that every time someone links to a news video or newspaper story that has advertisements, by all rights, that thread should be shut down?

I don't know guys. If I am still here, I will post updates on their projects as I am allowed to, as their project is their own. I know what Frank was talking about, and it has the capacity to be a huge jump in what we know about a couple of subjects.

Mike

 

[gollum]

To Admins and Mods,

I didn't realize that this section had received so many complaints. You guys think this is bad? On a different LDM Forum, the fights got so bad that somebody went by someone else's house (Jim Hatt's House) while he wasn't at home and shot his dog and his burro.

I guess the reason I haven't complained here is because the worst that has gone on here, pales in comparison to what I have seen other places, and y'all (yes I am from the South) are right to nip things in the bud before they sink to that level here. It can kill a forum (and has many times). I also don't complain because when someone goes after me, I can hold my own (online or in person) HAHAHA

Mike

 

[deducer]

I don't think the problem lies with interpretation of TNET rules which are clear, I think the problem is access to those rules. Every time a rule is broken, and the post is deleted, I suggest a message like this, be posted in its place:

This post was deleted by a moderator for violation of TNET rules.

The rules are posted here.

Repeat offenders may have their posting privileges suspended.

If you have questions, please contact the mods of this forum via PM.

Rather than resort to a keyboard warrior mentality by issuing an "or else" threat (which never has, and never will work), I suggest simply copying and pasting the above statement every time a rule is broken- this will save the mods a lot of energy and really cut down on the squabbling because it's nonconfrontational.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I don't think the problem lies with interpretation of TNET rules which are clear, I think the problem is access to those rules. Every time a rule is broken, and the post is deleted, I suggest a message like this, be posted in its place:

This post was deleted by a moderator for violation of TNET rules.

The rules are posted here.

Repeat offenders may have their posting privileges suspended.

If you have questions, please contact the mods of this forum via PM.

Rather than resort to a keyboard warrior mentality by issuing an "or else" threat (which never has, and never will work), I suggest simply copying and pasting the above statement every time a rule is broken- this will save the mods a lot of energy and really cut down on the squabbling because it's nonconfrontational.

That has been done many, many times, it does not work.. You have multiple repeat offenders for the same rules over and over which is why the timeouts get longer and longer.

When I gave warnings I posted the rules that applied to that warning... When members has been here for years vs weeks or months there is no reason to not be aware of our rules

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

The problem, as I see it, lies with interpretation of the TNet Rules.

I would agree with Admins 100% if Ryan had posted his video directly on TNet. Thing is, it was posted on (and hosted by YouTube). I guess that means that every time someone links to a news video or newspaper story that has advertisements, by all rights, that thread should be shut down?

I don't know guys. If I am still here, I will post updates on their projects as I am allowed to, as their project is their own. I know what Frank was talking about, and it has the capacity to be a huge jump in what we know about a couple of subjects.

Mike

Mike it wasn't a random youtube video posted to make or share a point or story, it was a personal video made by Ryan to be posted here and contained ad thanking his sponsors.....
He could remove the ad and it would be restored to TN.

The problem is you can't complain about a member's post possibly breaking the rules and in the next post break the rules in your reply to member. There is no "he started it first", it is like a fist fight in a professional ball game, all players throwing punches are subject to being ejected. An exception is if a mod issues a warning in thread that next insult thrown in thread earns timeout then someone posts insult below that odds are high only they will get ejected.

If member reports a post and moves on then mods only have one member to deal with and it is cut and dry and easier to address. Now just reporting a post does not mean mods will agree that reported post violates our rules. EVERY post reported is viewed by all mods and many times admins, so if nothing happens it means none of the mods agree with the post report and took no action..

 

[deducer]

That has been done many, many times, it does not work.. You have multiple repeat offenders for the same rules over and over which is why the timeouts get longer and longer.

When I gave warnings I posted the rules that applied to that warning... When members has been here for years vs weeks or months there is no reason to not be aware of our rules

Yes I understand that- and I am aware that there are many repeat offenders, and their offense is often too trivial to warrant a permanent ban, which was why I suggested a simple copy and paste. Repeat offenders will just continue to lose posts and threads until they learn, or earn a permanent ban.

This way, the mods save energy, with a simple copy and paste.

The other thing I noticed is that rules often get broken when threads get derailed or hijacked, or someone posts a wild theory without facts. I think this is the place to nip things in their bud- more warnings about staying on topic should help to cut down on this.

These are my suggestions- not telling anyone what to do.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Problem is disagreeing with a theory and or offering an alternative theory does not violate rules. If someone doesn't want alternative theories, opinions or challenges in their thread they need to consider writing a blog. As long as members remain respectful they are not breaking our rules by offering different opinions...

Admin looked at thread and saw no grounds to ban, it wasn't just one mod not seeing a reason, it was multiple mods and admin not seeing grounds..

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Well on line anyway Gully

 

[Old]

Frank and Ryan, it breaks my heart to see this happen. Please keep me in the loop. I so enjoy your work and appreciate beyond words the hard work behind the scenes.

Its the adm/owners prerogative to do with the forum as they see fit. I would say its a bit naïve to host an area for discussion of one of the most hotly debated legends of all time and not expect there to be spirited, and often benign but sharply worded flares and fits of temper. It goes with the territory. Those strongly held beliefs and the unique people that hold them is what draws hits to your site.

On the whole, this site's spattering of heated posts is mild in comparison to others on such subjects. For me; I don't report conceived or even actual slights. I expect them and am fully capable of handling them on my own. I can give as good as I get, trust me. I have been close on several occasions to issuing a full fledged Southern "Bless your heart" post. Haven't gotten there yet but its been lurking beneath the surface. Woe unto the recipient of the full measure of one of those.

There are all kinds of people gathered here. Some outstanding in their knowledge and some where you just have to chalk it up to you can't fix stupid. Valuable research and never before seen documents have been shared through this site. Its a gift of knowledge, respect its worth. I would ask that all involved, including the adm/owners who reap the benefit of being the repository of such information, answer the call of tolerance and not fall victim to pity fits of temper and ego driven agendas.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Old, same rules apply to all forums, it has nothing to do with being naive, it has to do with rules and civility... Admins are well experienced in adminstration of forums, they own hundreds of them....

If members don't want posts deleted, threads locked and deleted and loss of posting privileges then members need to post by the rules.

Fights in sports are not allowed and they are a lot more contested than forums.

There is no " give as good as I get" it only gets both in trouble and violates our rules. It doesn't matter how well someone can give it back, TreasureNet expects our rules to be followed.

 

[KXMember]

Yes I understand that- and I am aware that there are many repeat offenders, and their offense is often too trivial to warrant a permanent ban, which was why I suggested a simple copy and paste. Repeat offenders will just continue to lose posts and threads until they learn, or earn a permanent ban.

This way, the mods save energy, with a simple copy and paste.

The other thing I noticed is that rules often get broken when threads get derailed or hijacked, or someone posts a wild theory without facts. I think this is the place to nip things in their bud- more warnings about staying on topic should help to cut down on this.

These are my suggestions- not telling anyone what to do.

Staying on topic is a matter of perception. One may think a subject gets off topic but advanced knowledge may lead to the understanding that everything is connected depending on what one knows.