Uniform Found in the ground

[SouthJerseyJim]

Ya I couldn't believe i found either. Started hunting an old stage coach area and stumbled across an Eagle button in the middle of the road. Further up started detecting in the brush and eyeball this baby sticking out of the ground. I dont have much faith that it is CW period, more like WW1 or 2 but none the less it is a navy peacoat with almost all the buttons still attached. Was wondering if anyone has an age approx or vaule. Thanks for the help!

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

BigCypressHunter wrote:
> What is your opinion on this small tin backed button from reply #31? Is it a cap button?
> He has it as [Albert button-book number] NA-113.

The button has very significant differences from Albert button NA-113. Chief among those major differences is the border. On this button the border is a simple raised ridge surrounded at its outer edge by a circle of raised dots ...it does not have the rope border typically seen on US Navy buttons. Apparently, the OP was drinking heavily when he ID'ed it as NA-113.

As to its actual ID:
it is not shown in any reference-book on civil war military buttons.
The eagle's wings are quite round-topped.
Its front has extremely weak detail ...so weak that it looks like a child's drawing of the US Navy emblem.
Its back is iron.

Those are characteristics of ultra-cheaply-made Fashion buttons.

The very-weak detail and the iron back are typical of Confedrate "local-made" buttons. But, as noted, it isn't in any of the books on civil war buttons. So, it's either a one-of-a-kind Confederate Local, or an ultra-cheaply-made Fashion button.

Ok thanks that settles that. I dont have the book.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

I think this ones over. If you agree SouthJerseyJim post the green check. Thanks.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

SJJ ~

Interesting topic.

Note* I acknowledge that the coat may be a knock-off as suggested. But since there was no green/solved check mark, I can only assume it is still involved in some degree of debate.

I may be a day late and a dollar short on my arrival here, but I thought I'd add my 2-cents worth anyway. When I was scrolling down the "What Is It?" topics for a new thread to haunt, the first thing that caught my eye about this one was the 4833 views it has received. I read through the various comments the best I could, but admit I may have missed a key clue or two. But one thing I did notice, and was surprised about, is that not one picture of a real pea coat had been posted for comparison. And that's when I started my personal search to find out exactly what one looked like that was in good shape and not deterioating. The result of my search lead me to the website below that I have provided a link to. From it I found the pea coat pictured, which I just grabbed at random as an example, but it is not intended to suggest that it is exactly like yours, but rather to draw attention to the website itself which shows approximately 80 different pea coats. I haven't even looked at all of them myself yet, as I am not familiar enough with your particular coat to make an educated evaluation. But since you have the coat, I thought that you might. If you use the site, make special note of the various worded descriptions. In one of them their may be a clue that will help.

For example, in the description of the 1960s pea coat below, and various others from that era, it mentions ....

"Corduroy Lined Pockets"

When they started lining the pockets with corduroy, and for how long, I do not know. But it might be a place to start and check your coat to see if it was made this way. And please let us know what you come up with ... that is, corduroy lined or not? And from there we can go to phase two if necessary. But please don't ask me what phase two is, because I haven't gotten that far myself yet. Lol


Thanks,

SBB

Pea Coat Link : (Includes two pages of pictures. Click on pictures for additional details).

http://www.vintagetrends.com/milita...tage&CA=Men&SC=Jackets/Coats&ST=Navy+Pea+Coat


On the site there are samplings of officers coats as well.

Basic description of coat pictured below:

[ 1960s vintage pea coat with original tag and corduroy lined pockets ]

(With "corduroy lined pockets" being the emphasis of my over-worded post).

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

SJJ ~

This is not exactly what I think of as true corduroy ... but it is an example of the type of lining they are referring to on the website I posted. I'm still not sure when this design feature began, but it was definitely being used during the 1960s and 1970s ... at least according to that website it was.

But the main thing is to determine if your coat has it, or traces of it, and then go from there.

When you stop and think about it, I guess there are two different ways of defining "lined."

( I am not sure if this is a silk type fabric with "lines" or a true corduroy )

[ Corduroy Lined Pea Coat Pocket ]

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Correction ...

I went back to the website I posted and found several examples of corduroy lined pea coat pockets from ...

"The 1940s"

I have yet to find one earlier than this or later than the 1970s. But I will continue to look. It takes a lot of time to open all 80 of the pictures/descriptions.

SBB

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Until I hear from SJJ about the pockets, this will conclude my present research. I was able to determine that the pocket lining was in fact a "true corduroy fabric," and not a silk-type. The last picture I posted actually shows it, but it's a little difficult to make out clearly. It is referred to as ... "U.S. Military Correct Spect Corduroy."

Although not conclusive by any means, I have been unable to find a single reference for "corduroy lined pockets" any later than the 1970s. Nor one earlier than the 1940s. So until something arises to refute this, we have a relatively safe date range of ...

~ 1940 thru 1970 ~

( Providing, of course, that SJJ's coat even has corduroy pockets ).

I will wait and see what SJJ has to say, and then figure out what to do with this info from that point. In the meantime, I thought the following was kind of interesting ...

~ * ~

U.S. NAVY PEA COAT: This classic has become universally known as a 'Pea Coat'. The name, it is said, originated from the Dutch word 'pijjekker', in which 'pij' referred to the type of fabric used for the outer shell. The 'pij' fabric translates in English as 'Pilot cloth' or, more simply 'P-cloth'; the pilot of a ship or boat being the original crewman identified wearing this coat design.


The US Navy's original Pea Coat was fabricated from heavy 36-ounce melton wool and up until the late 1930s featured black bakelite buttons displaying an anchor surrounded by 13 stars (these depicted the original 13 states of the United States when they won independence).