Undeniable proof that gun control works

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Google the word "Assault" then maybe you can figure it out on your own.

So you don't know. At least you admit it. The dictionary definition has nothing to do with the legislation. The fact is the guns people want to be banned right now are NOT assault rifles. Assault rifles have been heavily regulated for about 70 years and cost a minimum of $5k (for a cheap Mac10) and require 6 months of FBI background checks. Is that the best you've got?
 

THAT was THEN... THIS is NOW!

technology changes, governments and human nature does not. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Governments always seek absolute power.
 

ShadowLine said:
So you don't know. At least you admit it. The dictionary definition has nothing to do with the legislation. The fact is the guns people want to be banned right now are NOT assault rifles. Assault rifles have been heavily regulated for about 70 years and cost a minimum of $5k (for a cheap Mac10) and require 6 months of FBI background checks. Is that the best you've got?

Actually you are incorrect. The term "assault rifle" is not a specific term but a general non technical term for a category of guns.

When used in the context of legislation the term assault rifle is defined within the legislation usually by its characteristics and or features or as defined by specific brands/models. For an example of this just look at the fawb legislation.
 

It must be true the internets said so!
 

Actually you are incorrect. The term "assault rifle" is not a specific term but a general non technical term for a category of guns.

When used in the context of legislation the term assault rifle is defined within the legislation usually by its characteristics and or features or as defined by specific brands/models. For an example of this just look at the fawb legislation.

Legislators put the term into popular culture as a means of creating fear to back their cause of banning and ultimate confiscation (because there is no reason to allow people to hold onto banned firearms). Just read the bills being pushed RIGHT NOW that include the terms forfeiture, banning, and confiscation.
 

Actually you are incorrect. The term "assault rifle" is not a specific term but a general non technical term for a category of guns.

When used in the context of legislation the term assault rifle is defined within the legislation usually by its characteristics and or features or as defined by specific brands/models. For an example of this just look at the fawb legislation.
Wrong. The term was *******ized by politicians. An assault weapon is not what they claim. I am still waiting for a factual account of why they are more dangerous than what is often called a hunting rifle.
 

Picking Chicago as an example I think is cherry picking - giving its the poster child in the US for increasing crime.

The is it just control issue that is the sole cause of the increased crime would be correlation vs causality.

Most of the posts on this board contain multiple fall ivied of course.

Again, everyone had the right to their own opinion. But doesn't every thinking person want their opinion to be based on the best information, etc.

Anyone attempting to boil down issued as complicated as crime to a single issue - it's just foolish. We all know better than that.

Stockpicker: I agree with that example as cherry picking. I was referring to "Spoons make people fat" as correlation vs. causality. My bad, I should have been more specific.
 

ShadowLine said:
Wrong. The term was *******ized by politicians. An assault weapon is not what they claim. I am still waiting for a factual account of why they are more dangerous than what is often called a hunting rifle.

That's an entirely different question. I was answering your question on definition of assault weapon. And what's your definition of a hunting rifle??
 

ShadowLine said:
Wrong. The term was *******ized by politicians. An assault weapon is not what they claim. I am still waiting for a factual account of why they are more dangerous than what is often called a hunting rifle.

Is the term hunting rifle a technic term or something you made up?
 

It is NOT the gun ban reducing the crime (murder) rate. In my opinion, it's the "Stop and Frisk" policy they have going on which even they admit is controversial. It does prove a point though, they are "profiling" and then stopping and firsking suspicious people. Apparently they are not stopping the honest citizen on the street that is minding his or her own business. No need to take their guns away, THEY ARE ALREADY GONE! I would think that someone that is a victim of a crime should be able to sue bonehead bloomberg for taking their means of defense away. Personally, if I were to be stopped and frisked because I "looked" suspicious I'd be totally p-off! If I'm walking down the street, comitting no crime, it would mean I'm in pursuit of my happiness and some nazi-acting cop has no right interferring with it. What's suspicious looking?...blacks in a white neighborhood? Wearing a hoodie? Hat on backwards? Pants down my butt? Drinking from a styrofoam cup? Drinking a large soda? Another question, how many of the 414 were gang related? I saw where 237 of the murders were by gun. That means 177, almost half, were killed by another method. I'm sure, if you took away the gang-related killings from the total killings by gun in ANY year, you would see that a relatively few are shot by non-gang members. Any decrease in the murder rate anywhere is good but we have to look deep into the cause. I don't think taking guns away from honest citizens did anything in NY. They gave up their guns and now they can be stopped on the street for appearing suspicious to a cop. Maybe the thugs should be required to wear star badges so we can identify them easily.
 

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It is NOT the gun ban reducing the crime (murder) rate. In my opinion, it's the "Stop and Frisk" policy they have going on which even they admit is controversial. It does prove a point though, they are "profiling" and then stopping and firsking suspicious people. Apparently they are not stopping the honest citizen on the street that is minding his or her own business. No need to take their guns away, THEY ARE ALREADY GONE! I would think that someone that is a victim of a crime should be able to sue bonehead bloomberg for taking their means of defense away. Personally, if I were to be stopped and frisked because I "looked" suspicious I'd be totally p-off! If I'm walking down the street, comitting no crime, it would mean I'm in pursuit of my happiness and some nazi-acting cop has no right interferring with it. What's suspicious looking?...blacks in a white neighborhood? Wearing a hoodie? Hat on backwards? Pants down my butt? Drinking from a styrofoam cup? Drinking a large soda? Another question, how many of the 414 were gang related? I saw where 237 of the murders were by gun. That means 177, almost half, were killed by another method. I'm sure, if you took away the gang-related killings from the total killings by gun in ANY year, you would see that a relatively few are shot by non-gang members. Any decrease in the murder rate anywhere is good but we have to look deep into the cause. I don't think taking guns away from honest citizens did anything in NY. They gave up their guns and now they can be stopped on the street for appearing suspicious to a cop. Maybe the thugs should be required to wear star badges so we can identify them easily.

You can go join the ACLU - they are against it also.

It funny did you put this much thought into what's going on in Chicago or just go along with blaming gun control. Funny how that happens.
 

Gun control definition: 5 inch target at 300 yds with my 7mm08 punched full of holes.. That's gun control for you...
 

Wrong. The term was *******ized by politicians. An assault weapon is not what they claim. I am still waiting for a factual account of why they are more dangerous than what is often called a hunting rifle.

I'm sorry do you even read what people say before coming up with your own BS. Most of what you say isnt even true. And the term assult rifle was not created by politicians, it was a term coined by Adolf Hitler and an assult rifle uses an intermediate cartridge power that is between light machine guns firing full power cartridges, which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns, which fire a lower powered pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
With all due respect, please do research before posting about stuff. I don't think everyone has time to correct what you say over and over again.
 

The officials in Chicago blamed their high murder rate on everytyhing but a lack of gun laws. They have strict gun laws so they blamed the murder rate on everything else, including "unseasonably warm weather". That must be why the murder rate in Antartica is so low.
 

I'm sorry do you even read what people say before coming up with your own BS. Most of what you say isnt even true. And the term assult rifle was not created by politicians, it was a term coined by Adolf Hitler and an assult rifle uses an intermediate cartridge power that is between light machine guns firing full power cartridges, which are intended more for sustained automatic fire in a light support role, and submachine guns, which fire a lower powered pistol cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge.
With all due respect, please do research before posting about stuff. I don't think everyone has time to correct what you say over and over again.

How about you read what you just typed and tell me how todays proposed ban on "assault" weapons is in fact aimed at assault weapons. Please dont lecture me when you cant even see that you proved MY point with your post. I could point it out but its more fun to watch you struggle.
 

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Why is it acceptable to stop and frisk people that some cop feels is acting or looking suspicious and yet they are not supposed to stop folks in Arizona that appear to be illegals?
Does the ACLU have dues?
 

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