Two peaks

[UncleMatt]

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[UncleMatt]

Well, I was able to scan a print of the map, and then scan it as a pdf. But T-net will not allow pdfs for image file types!

 

[markmar]

Well, I was able to scan a print of the map, and then scan it as a pdf. But T-net will not allow pdfs for image file types!

You can convert it .

 

[UncleMatt]

Okay, here it is. Hope its not a let down to anyone. Sorry some of the distance sectors have colors that don't show up well against background map. That is why I need to figure out way to post the complete KMZ file...

Comments, suggestions, corrections? Be ready to defend your input.

 

[UncleMatt]

I almost forgot, there are additional landmarks pinned on this map, but they don't show up until you zoom in closer. Which you will be unable to do with this image. For example, D-Cross and Bell mountain are also on this map, just not viewable in this image.

 

[UncleMatt]

Can anyone enlighten me on the exact location of the Ojo Caliente Warm Springs Agency? Was it inside Monticello Canyon, or NW of it, or somewhere else? GPS would be great. Thanks.

 

[UncleMatt]

Highmountain (Purcell) gave the GPS as 33 34 9.27 N, 107 35 40.51 W in one of his posts here at T-net. But this is a hill at the north end of the canyon. On my map I have it farther to the NW, and wonder which is actually correct...

 

[UncleMatt]

Anyone?

 

[meister]

Don't have lat/long, but several sources say that the agency headquarters were located near the Ojo Caliente spring. The spring is just west of the Monticello Box on the north side of the river. Highmountain is probably correct, would not be surprised if he was there before the ruins disappeared.

 

[UncleMatt]

Don't have lat/long, but several sources say that the agency headquarters were located near the Ojo Caliente spring. The spring is just west of the Monticello Box on the north side of the river. Highmountain is probably correct, would not be surprised if he was there before the ruins disappeared.

Actually, when I enter his coordinates, I get the hill at the mouth, on the south side of the canyon.

If anyone can provide GPS to a different spot, let me know please.

 

[coco2]

That's an interesting map, Uncle Matt - thanks for posting it. It'd be fun to be able to overlay the areas that meet the parameters of the descriptions (canyon walls, water, aspens, etc.) and see how many places there are to go poke around in. Probably enough to keep several of us out of mischief for a year or two!

I was remembering earlier a story that was circulating around here around 1996. There was a gold mining company office that had set up in Springerville, their story was that there was supposedly surface gold over just south of Red Hill (between Springerville and Quemado). They were setting up operations for that gold. An acquaintance of mine owned land right there, that ole boy was already making out his grocery list for when he got rich. But this was a real company/office...I had called them on a couple of occasions to check on employment for a friend of mine. I got sidetracked with other things and in the meantime that company disappeared and nothing ever came of it. Now I'm curious what the real story was on all of that, I'll have to ask around.

Nothing to do with the LAD, just something kind of interesting...

 

[meister]

UncleMatt,

Highmountain propably took GPS readings in the 90's. Selective availability wasn't turned off until 2000, that can cause a 100 meter error. The agency was supposed to be located across from where Ojo Caliente entered Alamosa Creek. By the way, what lat/long did you use?

 

[meister]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/texas/64004-ojo-caliente-cherryville.html Topoquest gives lat/long for Cherryville as N33.56951W107.60504 a short distance upstream from Ojo Caliente entrance.

 

[UncleMatt]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/texas/64004-ojo-caliente-cherryville.html Topoquest gives lat/long for Cherryville as N33.56951W107.60504 a short distance upstream from Ojo Caliente entrance.

This is within 100 yards of Jack Purcell's location for the agency. I see the remains of an old straight road across the terrain there, maybe it was above the mouth of the canyon there.

 

[UncleMatt]

I will check on that lead about that mining company. I am also working with my GIS specialist in Albania to get my GE map up and running. May take awhile though. I think it will be an interesting experiment to show all the available factors on a map so that everything can be seen at a glance.

That's an interesting map, Uncle Matt - thanks for posting it. It'd be fun to be able to overlay the areas that meet the parameters of the descriptions (canyon walls, water, aspens, etc.) and see how many places there are to go poke around in. Probably enough to keep several of us out of mischief for a year or two!

I was remembering earlier a story that was circulating around here around 1996. There was a gold mining company office that had set up in Springerville, their story was that there was supposedly surface gold over just south of Red Hill (between Springerville and Quemado). They were setting up operations for that gold. An acquaintance of mine owned land right there, that ole boy was already making out his grocery list for when he got rich. But this was a real company/office...I had called them on a couple of occasions to check on employment for a friend of mine. I got sidetracked with other things and in the meantime that company disappeared and nothing ever came of it. Now I'm curious what the real story was on all of that, I'll have to ask around.

Nothing to do with the LAD, just something kind of interesting...

 

[UncleMatt]

Over a month now since anyone has posted anything about the LAD. I wonder if this story is simply no longer viable for many people to do further research on. Maybe its all already been said...

 

[Oroblanco]

Over a month now since anyone has posted anything about the LAD. I wonder if this story is simply no longer viable for many people to do further research on. Maybe its all already been said...

UncleMatt - have to respectfully disagree that the story is no longer viable, there is definitely still strong interest in the Lost Adams. Several people have claimed to have found it, but show NO gold which makes the claim hard to swallow. Part of the problem (as is common for several of the famous or popular lost mines) is in the amount of pure BS that has gotten mixed in to the original story. Sorting it out can be tough at times.

Good luck and good hunting Uncle Matt and anyone reading this, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[UncleMatt]

I agree Oro, the BS flies very thick when it comes to the LAD. It just seems to me that people are more and more unwilling to discuss any new info on it out in the open.

 

[Interested Party in UK]

UM

I have been enchanted and captivated by the mystery surrounding the legend of the LAD.

After reading the standard version of Adams & co visiting the canyon, Apaches, , massacre, pot of gold, attempts to rediscover the site etc., I made attempts to collate and try and document everything in an orderly fashion and with clear timelines. I purchased all the usual books and tried to disseminate the truth from the hyperbole. I contacted various authors for their views on discrepencies I encountered. After about two years of doing so, all I can say is that there was an incident in the Southwest of the States about 150 years ago involving various characters including the infamous Adams and a certain amount of gold. In a lonely place some folk lost their lives; gold was found and then lost - buried, stolen or otherwise - then many people made serious attempts to locate it. Was it found and surreptitiously taken out??
Hmmm...that's what nobody can conclusively say.

But to spend resources and efforts on a literal translation and belief of the standard story is not advised, as has been said it will be extremely difficult to separate fact from fiction all these years after the event. Looking at maps and attempting to decipher possible locations and directions, is doomed to frustrate in my humble opinion. This is because it would mean accepting the version as espoused by Adams himself for what to look out for when seeking that fabled canyon. I cannot accept that this chap told the truth and was sincere in what he led people to believe had happened. Then Dobie wrote his commendable book and that sometimes suggested things without discussing sources or references.

If my time looking into this super story told me anything, then I would say: 'Why did Adams spend his later years looking for the buried pot of gold as oppose to the amazing location that was alleged to have been one huge open gold mine with another location nearby with the "Two Peaks"?
There is probably a small telling sign in there somewhere I would say.


IPUK

 

[UncleMatt]

Thanks for posting IPUK, but I am not aware of any sources that state he was only looking for a "buried pot of gold" in his search for the LAD when he returned.