12-13-11
Joe and all the rest of you
On this same subject where people have created red herring to get people away from sacred sites, why the Fugitive so-called Dutchman would do such. This is the main reason why he and others did things to throw people off track. There were Indian chiefs that went to Brigham Young for his help, because eight Spaniards, who had maps from Antonio de Reinaldo. He or they had been previously warned to not come into the area of the Utes and Paiutes, in other words stay south and east of the Colorado River, two of his maps were found on the bodies of the eight Spaniards. They were messing with the sacred mines that are talked about in the Molino Documents. Not only were they messing with the mines, but they were trying to ally with post-Mormons and others to partnership with them because they could not legally own mines in the United States territories.
These Indian chiefs had intelligence on what the Spaniards were trying to do, and that is the reason they were soliciting Brigham Young’s help. Brigham Young also had intelligence that some disgruntled Mormons knew too much about the mines and they suspected that a bunch of them would ally with the first wagon train of the season that went through Southern Utah. Likely some of these disgruntled Mormons had contact with these eight Spaniards. So at least one Mormon worked hard to get the Capt. John T. Baker and Capt. Alexander Fancher wagon train to go north instead of taking the southern route, but the leaders of the wagon train were not about to change the course they wanted to take. Sure enough as the wagon train passed the Springville area going south around twenty disgruntled Mormons (who knew too much about the Mormons) joined the wagon train.
The Mormons already had word that the Johnston Army was coming to wipe them out. They had seen all the low life that moved into California during that gold rush of 1849. I am sure Brigham Young figured they did not need a gold rush and an army from California to assist the army that was already coming, to come in and wipe them out as Cortez did to the Aztecs for their gold. No doubt Brigham Young could see that his people did not have a chance and would be driven out if not slaughtered, losing their new homelands for the third time and all their hard sacrifice and work that many gave their lives to establish. (I am trying to look at this from a Mormons viewpoint.) I could document that there are those who knew about great things that were hid up on the north side of the Grand Canyon. So Brigham Young could easily have justified the protecting of sacred things, along with being stirred up by the Indians to protect the sacred mines.
Brigham Young’s agent Thomas Rhoads was already getting gold from that place through the Indians. It is possible that out of fear from past history Brigham Young overreacted when he ordered George A. Smith to take word to his military leaders of Southern Utah to sacrifice the wagon train. No doubt he had a change of mind and later sent word to spare the wagon train, but that message got back too late. Porter Rockwell oversaw the execution of the eight Spaniards. That was during the same period of time that the wagon train was wiped out at the Mountain Meadows Massacre. That is when the Fugitive so-called Dutchman killed the ex-Mormon that new too much about the mines, and was a participant in the Mountain Meadow Massacre where around a hundred and forty people lost their lives. About twenty of them were post-Mormons that would have shared their information with the wagon train by that time.
This has become the blackest blotch on the history of the Mormons. They would not dare tell their whole history behind that gruesome event. It would defeat the purpose of why they sacrificed those people. You had better believe the Fugitive so-called Dutchman who would have liked to have told more and who left a lot of clues for the future would not send Julia Thomas or her adopted family to what would be certain death. If he had lived longer, he may have taken a trip and snuck in and helped them to a little of the wealth that he knew existed. So Caleb Rhoads the son of Thomas Rhoads, and ally of this fugitive, went to great length in creating decoys and copycat naming places all across the Uintah Mountains of North and Eastern Utah. The Fugitive created decoys from the Superstitious Mountains to Sonora. They did this so that another Mountain Meadows Massacre would not take place, or another Adam’s Diggings Massacre, which was done by the Apaches. They wanted to guarantee that there would be no more massacres by anybody.
Caleb Rhoads had a stash in the Uintah Mountains that he took gold from, from time to time. He had that stash as a security caution and to prevent people from finding the real mines, just as the so-called Dutchman had in the Superstitious Mountains. Some people are still confused whether the so-called Dutchman was talking about where he had gold stashed or his mine. In the case of Caleb Rhoads Jesse Knight found his stash and gave it to the Mormon Church. Caleb Rhoads was pretty upset over it. However it did accomplish one thing it helped tie up all those seeking the mines in the Uintah Mountains. Like the people who are tied up in the Superstitious Mountains. This is pretty good protection for the real mines, but undermines the greater history and why the mines have remained hid. Both Caleb Rhoads and the so-called Dutchman claimed that no geologists or miners would find their mines. Caleb Rhoads said there was enough gold there to pave the streets of Washington DC. The so-called Dutchman said there was enough gold there to pave the streets of Phoenix. There is much-much more which will someday show that they were both talking about the same mines and place.
Look at the Arabs and those that call themselves Israelites who are fighting over a copycat place, which is ready to plunge the world into a war unlike any that has ever been seen. Are there those that cannot have the treasures themselves ready to give it to Babylon, and plunge us into a war with Latin America and the Indians of North America? I think that would be a very foolish path to take. I think it is wise for things to be better sealed until we have an honorable government that puts creative and discoverer rights ahead of greed. I don’t intend to betray the good Indians or the few honorable Jesuits that kept things out of the hands of corruption. When we have an honorable government, that is when it will be soon enough to open the mines and move on the temple to bring forth that which has been hid up for a long time.
Those who are honorable in seeking the truth won’t need to be shown where the place is at they will find it for themselves, and that is the real challenge. It is a good thing that none of the large churches of today, from the Mormons to the Catholics, know where the place is at. But any of them putting truth first could gain the vision and find it. Picking and finding fault with what I have shared on this post site, isn’t going to do anything for those who pick instead of seeking the truth. I have made plenty of mistakes and I am bound to make a few more, there are a lot of things I don’t know, but what I have found and discovered will eventually overthrow those who attack it.
RW
Joe and all the rest of you
On this same subject where people have created red herring to get people away from sacred sites, why the Fugitive so-called Dutchman would do such. This is the main reason why he and others did things to throw people off track. There were Indian chiefs that went to Brigham Young for his help, because eight Spaniards, who had maps from Antonio de Reinaldo. He or they had been previously warned to not come into the area of the Utes and Paiutes, in other words stay south and east of the Colorado River, two of his maps were found on the bodies of the eight Spaniards. They were messing with the sacred mines that are talked about in the Molino Documents. Not only were they messing with the mines, but they were trying to ally with post-Mormons and others to partnership with them because they could not legally own mines in the United States territories.
These Indian chiefs had intelligence on what the Spaniards were trying to do, and that is the reason they were soliciting Brigham Young’s help. Brigham Young also had intelligence that some disgruntled Mormons knew too much about the mines and they suspected that a bunch of them would ally with the first wagon train of the season that went through Southern Utah. Likely some of these disgruntled Mormons had contact with these eight Spaniards. So at least one Mormon worked hard to get the Capt. John T. Baker and Capt. Alexander Fancher wagon train to go north instead of taking the southern route, but the leaders of the wagon train were not about to change the course they wanted to take. Sure enough as the wagon train passed the Springville area going south around twenty disgruntled Mormons (who knew too much about the Mormons) joined the wagon train.
The Mormons already had word that the Johnston Army was coming to wipe them out. They had seen all the low life that moved into California during that gold rush of 1849. I am sure Brigham Young figured they did not need a gold rush and an army from California to assist the army that was already coming, to come in and wipe them out as Cortez did to the Aztecs for their gold. No doubt Brigham Young could see that his people did not have a chance and would be driven out if not slaughtered, losing their new homelands for the third time and all their hard sacrifice and work that many gave their lives to establish. (I am trying to look at this from a Mormons viewpoint.) I could document that there are those who knew about great things that were hid up on the north side of the Grand Canyon. So Brigham Young could easily have justified the protecting of sacred things, along with being stirred up by the Indians to protect the sacred mines.
Brigham Young’s agent Thomas Rhoads was already getting gold from that place through the Indians. It is possible that out of fear from past history Brigham Young overreacted when he ordered George A. Smith to take word to his military leaders of Southern Utah to sacrifice the wagon train. No doubt he had a change of mind and later sent word to spare the wagon train, but that message got back too late. Porter Rockwell oversaw the execution of the eight Spaniards. That was during the same period of time that the wagon train was wiped out at the Mountain Meadows Massacre. That is when the Fugitive so-called Dutchman killed the ex-Mormon that new too much about the mines, and was a participant in the Mountain Meadow Massacre where around a hundred and forty people lost their lives. About twenty of them were post-Mormons that would have shared their information with the wagon train by that time.
This has become the blackest blotch on the history of the Mormons. They would not dare tell their whole history behind that gruesome event. It would defeat the purpose of why they sacrificed those people. You had better believe the Fugitive so-called Dutchman who would have liked to have told more and who left a lot of clues for the future would not send Julia Thomas or her adopted family to what would be certain death. If he had lived longer, he may have taken a trip and snuck in and helped them to a little of the wealth that he knew existed. So Caleb Rhoads the son of Thomas Rhoads, and ally of this fugitive, went to great length in creating decoys and copycat naming places all across the Uintah Mountains of North and Eastern Utah. The Fugitive created decoys from the Superstitious Mountains to Sonora. They did this so that another Mountain Meadows Massacre would not take place, or another Adam’s Diggings Massacre, which was done by the Apaches. They wanted to guarantee that there would be no more massacres by anybody.
Caleb Rhoads had a stash in the Uintah Mountains that he took gold from, from time to time. He had that stash as a security caution and to prevent people from finding the real mines, just as the so-called Dutchman had in the Superstitious Mountains. Some people are still confused whether the so-called Dutchman was talking about where he had gold stashed or his mine. In the case of Caleb Rhoads Jesse Knight found his stash and gave it to the Mormon Church. Caleb Rhoads was pretty upset over it. However it did accomplish one thing it helped tie up all those seeking the mines in the Uintah Mountains. Like the people who are tied up in the Superstitious Mountains. This is pretty good protection for the real mines, but undermines the greater history and why the mines have remained hid. Both Caleb Rhoads and the so-called Dutchman claimed that no geologists or miners would find their mines. Caleb Rhoads said there was enough gold there to pave the streets of Washington DC. The so-called Dutchman said there was enough gold there to pave the streets of Phoenix. There is much-much more which will someday show that they were both talking about the same mines and place.
Look at the Arabs and those that call themselves Israelites who are fighting over a copycat place, which is ready to plunge the world into a war unlike any that has ever been seen. Are there those that cannot have the treasures themselves ready to give it to Babylon, and plunge us into a war with Latin America and the Indians of North America? I think that would be a very foolish path to take. I think it is wise for things to be better sealed until we have an honorable government that puts creative and discoverer rights ahead of greed. I don’t intend to betray the good Indians or the few honorable Jesuits that kept things out of the hands of corruption. When we have an honorable government, that is when it will be soon enough to open the mines and move on the temple to bring forth that which has been hid up for a long time.
Those who are honorable in seeking the truth won’t need to be shown where the place is at they will find it for themselves, and that is the real challenge. It is a good thing that none of the large churches of today, from the Mormons to the Catholics, know where the place is at. But any of them putting truth first could gain the vision and find it. Picking and finding fault with what I have shared on this post site, isn’t going to do anything for those who pick instead of seeking the truth. I have made plenty of mistakes and I am bound to make a few more, there are a lot of things I don’t know, but what I have found and discovered will eventually overthrow those who attack it.
RW
