cactusjumper said:
Sorry Roy,
No personal attack on you was intended.
"If you look at the very map you just posted here, you will see that the original mission WAS up in the hills, not down on the river flats."
You have changed the wording a bit here:
"After obtaining the necessary information the Jesuit priest gathered together a party of trusted men and followed the trail to the Tumacacori mission, situated well up in the mountains."
It may be that you are looking at the treasure chest I placed on the west side of the river. That is the location that T.S. posted coordinates for. There is little doubt that the old mission was on the east side of the river.
Hope all is well for you and Beth.
Take care,
Joe
Hola amigos,
Joe, I used YOUR map as you posted to make a point; newspaper reports are often dismissed by historians, due to their inaccuracies and errors, which ignores the fact that in most cases they have at least the basic points correct. I know of a case in recent history, in which a car plunged over a 30 ft embankment into a river; the car came to a rest (carried by the waters) 1000 ft downstream of a bridge which was just S of where the car entered the river. The newspaper accounts had it that
the car plunged over a 1000 ft cliff into the river, and BTW this is the exact same way it was reported by several
television stations. The car did end up in the river and some ways from where it entered, but if you followed the way it was reported you would be looking for a non-existant 1000 ft cliff.
It is funny to me how you will 'laser-focus' on a flaw in any thing that supports Jesuit treasures and/or mines Joe, yet just seem to forget that even a Jesuit historian <
one you hold in high regard> openly published that two Jesuits were caught being involved in mining, and this was a historian whom was only covering a relatively small area of the world, for the Jesuits operated world-wide and still do. I have to suspect that if you were to turn the same level of suspicion onto the Jesuits as you do onto all evidence showing their involvement in mining, treasures etc your view may well change.
One more thing Joe, I did not take it as a personal attack so no apologies were necessary, sorry for making you think that was the case. Branding and shearing are now done, and we are both in pain but glad those two chores are over for another year. I hope all is well with you, and that you are having a very pleasant evening.
your friend(s) in 'Dakota Territory'
Roy *& Beth*
PS It is just my opinion, but I think that locating two of the mines on the map should allow you to locate all of them without any further clues whatsoever. I would also point out that Spanish pronunciation may be causing treasure hunters a major problem in identifying a particular landmark; the pass of "Janos". "J" in Latin <recalling that many Catholic priests use Latin> is a 'Y' sound, so it would sound like 'Yanos'; likewise a pair of 'LL's has a similar pronunciation in Spanish, so the name could be spelled in Spanish as LLanos, which word we should note has a very different meaning from Janos too. Of course in Spanish the J is an H sound, so it sounds like 'Hanos' . I don't think it actually refers to the tribe Janos, this appears to be a possible error in transcription/translation along the way with three languages as <possible> factors (Spanish, Latin, Anglo).
PPS Now I will have to use a tactic I don't like, to say that I know for an absolute fact that one quite valuable mine was found by the use of the Molina document, this mine is documented and was a good producer in the "frontier" days. Probably some of you know exactly what I am talking about; but do not ask me the name or location of this particular mine; if you are curious you can find out rather easily. Now if I knew the exact location of
one other mine, I would be asking my boss for some time off.....
