Treasure Marks/Signs - Diagnosed Here

[rangler]

tim,
well how many more bucket stirrers are going to pop up if they had looked at my pics rangler u marked the omega at 120 deg before i found the map and other clues that the rock was suppose to be turned at the 120 deg so who was right you were the thing is to figure out the sites so put the bucket sticks away clear the air of aroma and carry on

Thanks Tim , yea it is all part of the game they play...they know a little but not enough to dig any thing up, but are greedy at the same time, they dont want ANYONE learning this stuff...they feel there own sights are at risk if more people know this stuff..which is opposite of the truth..there are many thousands of sites out there waiting for the right person to come along with the knowledge and insight to find, solve and retrieve these goods..

like springer, he knows damn good and well I have broken the monument code, but he will not let himself believe it..not sure why except for the above...best thing now is to place the bad actors on ignore, not respond to them...and let all of us get on with the business at hand...if they are placed on ignore, and we all dont respond, then they effectively disappear
from our screens and our very important work can continue uninterrupted~!
Thanks again Tim, appreciate your support very much
rangler

current ignore recomendations: springfield,kanabite,shortstack

 

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[Springfield]

rick,
you raise a very good point...this was not the classic monument..this looked more like a hasty retreat but still considering the lay out -it was-complex enough to hide it well...I cant prove it but it has all the signs of perhaps one of the last caches made just 'seconds' before the expulsion of 1767! This whole thing could have been done with just a couple of men, especially when like you said, the goods where only couple of feet deep and not traps~!

All in all they broke a couple of the Kings Rules so right away a lot of reasons to put this in the 'desperate' category...now all we can do is try to learn from it and keeps our eyes open for any other desperate operatives any where in the theater~!

I dont know the location of this find, but if it is anywhere south of the mines and between the shipping routes to the coast, then this could have been a situation of an attack on the mule train, with enough warning to hide the goods and move on to safety, then hopes of returning
which obviously did not happen,it would be nice to know the exact set of circumstances concerning this stash - but I am afraid that is lost in the fog time and only our imaginations can solve this one...good observation Rick
rangler

I've highlighted the cogent points you've made regarding this cache layout. The rest of what you posted is a series of comical speculations why this cache, located by four rational searchers, did not fit the fictional 'king's code' of your imagination. As you yourself noted, let's try to learn from those who have succeeded.

 

[rangler]

The rest of what you posted is a series of comical speculations why this cache, located by four rational searchers, did not fit the fictional 'king's code' blah blah yada yada.

you know its funny how irrational someone can sound, when for all intents and purposes they appear sane and rational..but when it come to treasure, the jesuits, the codemakers, and the king rules, you simply fall apart like a cheap pair of boots...

there is nothing comical about the fact that the cross [part of the code] points to the closest of the caches, then as a redundant aspect of the Code, the cardinal point also show the same two caches..just because they used a detector to find this stuff, doesnt mean the code didnt exist...and dont you ever study the aspects of the code not only used but being broken by me, if you refuse to learn anything new, then does that mean you know it all? hmmm?
in fact just how in the hell where the Kings Recovery Crew going to find it..with a metal detector that would not be invented for a couple of long centuries...hmmm?

you cant have it both ways dude...again your silly disinformation campaign rolls on....


If these very trackers had came to you with their cross and mayan number rock, you would have said that all signs found in the outback are related to hippies, ranchers, sheep headers, trappers, hunters, loggers, surveyors...well that tired old rhetoric doesnt fly anymore steve, as the world had gotten a little smarter since became a 'treasure critic' - and these guys would have lost out on the find of our decade and their lifetime!!

we got your number steve-a-rino, no treasure, so no need for treasure signs,no need for rules.. only you can call the shots of silly or real..and everything but what you say is silly...now that is the definition of silly/
rangler

to be a critic, one to be taken seriously anyway, you have to have as much knowledge or more than the person or idea that you are criticizing - which leaves you out of the equation

 

[Springfield]

..... you know its funny how irrational someone can sound, when for all intents and purposes they appear sane and rational..but when it come to treasure, the jesuits, the codemakers, and the king rules, you [I ?] simply fall apart like a cheap pair of boots .....

Thank you. I couldn't have stated it clearer myself.

Perhaps you were hasty when you posted the link to a real treasure recovery. I presume a lot of forum viewers, especially the more discriminating types, were quite interested in the article and pictures.

 

[rangler]

Perhaps you were hasty when you posted the link to a real treasure recovery. I presume a lot of forum viewers, especially the more discriminating types, were quite interested in the article and pictures.
not hasty at all, I spent many hours on that lay out before I posted it, AND not withstanding your hasty denial...I wanted to show that the code could have been used to find the goods..
sorry you didnt understand the map that I posted it would have saved you a lot of time denying the very thing that was proven...
the kings men didnt have metal detectors., so the point was to show that with the illustration
the rest of the viewers as you call them understood perfectly no doubt about it...

I hope you are getting paid by some one to post disparaging remarks and disinformation otherwise - your exercise is one of futility - and a huge waste of time and resources for everyone else including you. Other wise if you doing it for free, then that is sick.
rangler

 

[kanabite]

Perhaps you were hasty when you posted the link to a real treasure recovery. I presume a lot of forum viewers, especially the more discriminating types, were quite interested in the article and pictures.
not hasty at all, I spent many hours on that lay out before I posted it, AND not withstanding your hasty denial...I wanted to show that the code could have been used to find the goods..
sorry you didnt understand the map that I posted it would have saved you a lot of time denying the very thing that was proven...
the kings men didnt have metal detectors., so the point was to show that with the illustration
the rest of the viewers as you call them understood perfectly no doubt about it...

I hope you are getting paid by some one to post disparaging remarks and disinformation otherwise - your exercise is one of futility - and a huge waste of time and resources for everyone else including you. Other wise if you doing it for free, then that is sick.
rangler

heck maybe i do have a leak , better call a good plumber
wait don't need to call one LMAO

i said almost the exact same thing, except i was wondering it about you earlier this week , of course i thought maybe you worked for the department of interior , or some other comical higher up division

 

[cw0909]

poorfarm looks like a classic poodle
from
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,169053.msg2936546.html#msg2936546
Artist
[show]Wenzel Hollar (1607–1677)
Title
A poodle, after Matham.
Date
1649
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wenceslas_Hollar_-_A_poodle,_after_Matham.jpg

 

[Shortstack]

ragler said:
".........this could have been a situation of an attack on the mule train, with enough warning to hide the goods and move on to safety, then hopes of returning.


That makes no sense at all. If the muleskinners had enough time to lay out that cross shape and hide those several caches, they'd just used that time to get the hell out of "Dodge" with the goodies in tow. A truly eminent attack would have resulted in digging a single hole, throwing in the goods, covering it up and capping with a boulder or two. Then sweeping the ground to hide signs of digging; at the most.

When the Viceroy gave ALL Spanish settlers, in what is now Louisiana, 5 days to move lock, stock, and barrel to the west of the Sabine River at the time of the Louisiana Purchase, the Presidio near what is now Alexandria, LA. dug one hole and threw in all of their trash and goods they couldn't move and covered it over. One of the goods buried there was a bronze field cannon with a cracked barrel. I worked a project to recover that cannon. My point here is to show that when time was short, any King's code stuff was ignored.

 

[mdog]

rick,
you raise a very good point...this was not the classic monument..this looked more like a hasty retreat but still considering the lay out -it was-complex enough to hide it well...I cant prove it but it has all the signs of perhaps one of the last caches made just 'seconds' before the expulsion of 1767! This whole thing could have been done with just a couple of men, especially when like you said, the goods where only couple of feet deep and not traps~!

All in all they broke a couple of the Kings Rules so right away a lot of reasons to put this in the 'desperate' category...now all we can do is try to learn from it and keeps our eyes open for any other desperate operatives any where in the theater~!

I dont know the location of this find, but if it is anywhere south of the mines and between the shipping routes to the coast, then this could have been a situation of an attack on the mule train, with enough warning to hide the goods and move on to safety, then hopes of returning
which obviously did not happen,it would be nice to know the exact set of circumstances concerning this stash - but I am afraid that is lost in the fog time and only our imaginations can solve this one...good observation Rick
rangler

It would be interesting to know more about this site. For instance, what would lead the people who buried it back to the site. Was it a folding type map, was it a landmark close to a trail? Maybe there were trail monuments or carvings a long ways off that led to the area. I wonder if there was anything unusual about the place that led the men who recovered it there. This is a treasure that was actually recovered by a proper interpretation of carvings. It would be a really good learning experience if we knew more about the area.

I know next to nothing about interpreting treasure symbols, but if I had the time and motivation to create numerous rock formations,carvings and symbols that would lead me back to a treasure, 99% of them would be a diversion. There might be one or two symbols out of a hundred that would pinpoint the treasure. The site I've been studying for the past few years has numerous signs that I feel are related, but I haven't ruled out the possibility that some really bored person was just looking for a way to kill time. If you make instructions too complicated, I don't think you would be able to give away free beer. This site makes more sense to me. Maybe a map or landmark to get you to the general area, a couple of carvings, a set-up complicated enough to make a recovery difficult, and the treasure shallow enough to hit with a probe.

Rick

 

[Springfield]

...... if I had the time and motivation to create numerous rock formations, carvings and symbols that would lead me back to a treasure, 99% of them would be a diversion. There might be one or two symbols out of a hundred that would pinpoint the treasure. .....

I agree. Hiding things of value is all about disinformation.

 

[rangler]

That makes no sense at all. If the muleskinners had enough time to lay out that cross shape and hide those several caches, they'd just used that time to get the hell out of "Dodge" with the goodies in tow.

Bill as usual your wrong and your conception of the situation is off the mark...the muleskinner as you call them were the hired help..they drove the herd, packed mules, and spares...if trouble was immanent, the goods were unloaded..the muleskinners drove on with the animals..to create the diversion , while the padres and the secular jesuits laid out the pattern and hide the goods..what ever the situation , this stash was hasty, and not done with a full complement of the crew- it really doesnt matter the situation , was the point was that these guys, stashed in on the run and it still could have been found just using the signs. period

Really don't appreciate you lurking and attacking my post troll - like.
Say something positive or dont say anything at all, if you have something worthy to say...
start you own thread and stay off mine........................

 

[rangler]

I agree. Hiding things of value is all about disinformation.

Steve, I have never heard you say a truer statement, thank you~!
it just depends on which side of the fence your on.....or live.
rangler

 

[rangler]

wow cw, your correct
poorfarm looks like a classic poodle
no wonder they 86'ed you...too precious to share
rangler

 

[Shortstack]

ragler,
Don't take your petty stuff out on me simply because someone else has your number, too. Kanabite's posts are pretty revealing and coincide with your methods on this forum.

 

[rangler]

Rick, you said..
It would be interesting to know more about this site. For instance, what would
lead the people who buried it back to the site. Was it a folding type map, was it
a landmark close to a trail? Maybe there were trail monuments or carvings a long
ways off that led to the area. I wonder if there was anything unusual about the
place that led the men who recovered it there. This is a treasure that was
actually recovered by a proper interpretation of carvings. It would be a really
good learning experience if we knew more about the area.

I know next to nothing about interpreting treasure symbols, but if I had the
time and motivation to create numerous rock formations,carvings and symbols
that would lead me back to a treasure, 99% of them would be a diversion.


that's absolutely correct Rick, finally someone here is getting
it.....the 99% diversion is GRAFFITI! thank you for setting up that long
over due simile!

Make no mistake about it, the codemakers knew good and gd well all
about pareidolia..
They knew that marking and cutting rock to resemble critter and people,

that lots and lots
of rock formations have been seen by folks that look like turtles, snakes,
bears and such...
I wrote about here alot... trying to get thru to some hard headed graffiti
markers to no avail...any way just last week OD revealed that the copies
of documents that kenworthy used for the basis of his books were saying,
that all care must be taken to avoid confusing nature with that of the king~!!!
Bill ignored this statement from his friend thom...
so to finish this rant, just know your instincts were correct as the
codemakers agreed with
you..
now...balance that with this....they also where under a death penalty
if they did not lead the
kings recovery to the goods with coded rock and stone monuments..which
side of the line would you be on.,..the one where you make this chit perfectly
dang clear and easy for the
kings men, and keep your head, or you gonna use graffiti to lead some one
astray.
heheh a short no brainer... and in the normal course of a normal monument,
lots of misdirections, false trails and reverses...and a death trap or two for the
ultimate insult as they like to place them on a false trail...dont want the
carcasses stinking up the kings trail after all...plenty of mystery to go around,
Some that i have been working on have taken month to years and sorry - to
decades to solve. This is no walk in the park with daises on the both side
of trail and butterfly's and sunshine in the meadow.
rangler






There might be one or two symbols out of a hundred that would pinpoint the treasure.
The site I've been studying for the past few years has numerous signs that I feel are
related, but I haven't ruled out the possibility that some really bored person was just
looking for a way to kill time.


Easy problem to cure Rick, learn to recognize confirmation marks
no fool with time and a tool box are going to be about to fool you then , plus
these confirmation marks are the key to cracking the code...


If you make instructions too complicated, I don't think you would be able to give
away free beer.
They had to make it complicated enough to keep every unworthy
[read uneducated] persons
from breaking this code...and it is like anything else, once you know the code
it is easy..
havent you seen the mark ups I have done in the last month or two..its the best
place
to spend your time until you understand the mark up..and for a limited time here,
i can answer any of your questions and get you up to speed in no time...later
on I have other commitments and will not be so readily available.



This site makes more sense to me. Maybe a map or landmark to get you to
the general area, a couple of carvings, a set-up complicated enough to make
a recovery difficult, and the treasure shallow enough to hit with a probe.

Rick

it aint that bad...this is an emergency drop...the things you say
are true, but your looking at it from the other side of the trail..your saying that
well they buried it within depth of a probe
..now this IS one of the safegaurds they built in to the burial method..that they
could come back to the cross and step off some distance and use a probe to find
the goods..
I am sure on the ground there will be some monument or rock cairn, ect, these
guys knew nothing from treasure code so would not even be looking for them...
Then of course the default answer in these matters, which has been proven to
be true, is that Kenworthy stated, that in addition to the rock monuments, two
paper maps were to be drawn up and one copy sent to the King and one to
the Pope on different ships.
hope this helps
rangler

 

[Springfield]

Rangler, I know you have put in years of hard work developing your methods and that you have a lot invested emotionally. The anger you display when anyone questions your methods ought to be a red flag for you - it indicates self-doubt. Eventually you'll have to deal with it.

 

[dsty]

It may be that the frustration that the teacher feel is that sometime's the students just don't get it no matter how hard one tries, not on the same wave length or, sometimes I wonder if the boulder's you find with up-teen carvings may just be to mark a corner. theres so many possible ways to look at it, I feel that its a corner with one carving that you must use as a directional / distance, the other stuff is just a cover up. May be a face, that's what I like about drill holes, honesty

 

[rangler]

cleveland,
at first glance, it looks like the word. 'died' but could be wrong..good idea is to take one long shot of the boulder this is written one, then one like you posted, the one with the letter or sign chalked, so we have a decent chance to tell you what is going on....
thanks for the post
rangler

 

[rangler]

Rangler, I know you have put in years of hard work developing your methods and that you have a lot invested emotionally. The anger you display when anyone questions your methods ought to be a red flag for you - it indicates self-doubt. Eventually you'll have to deal with it.

you got it exactly wrong,


If anyone wants to seriously wants to question my methods you simply look at my work, see what was actually done, see the confirmation marks for your self, learn the code and you will see that I am correct...

besides this is such a very old and tired method and the true trackers here and myself are sick and tired of it..I challenged him and you to stop attacking and learn something if you can..if you cannot then move on and leave me alone.
rangler

 

[rangler]

dsty...
It may be that the frustration that the teacher feel is that sometime's the students just don't get it no matter how hard one tries, not on the same wave length

True Ernie, Shortie has been a graffiti reader now for over a year or so, I thought that he could learn the real signs and dispense with the pareidolia, but to no avail...
I thought anyone could learn this stuff. as I have taught a dozen or more folks to focus and see real signs in the first place, then, learn what they mean and 'connect the dots' to show the solution to the monument...however it was deeply disappointing, when I saw him sink even lower in the quicksand, and then start to pull other down with him...assuming to be able to solve puzzles for other people, when he could not get off the false trail himself..a huge deception which I took as an affront..should have let it go..at that point, now he has is ego wrapped up in pareidolia and cannot be saved no matter what...I took that as personal failure
knowing that many others have easily been taught the true path...now he wants to be the to lurk and attack, lurk and attack...for what..mad because he cant get it..now only wants to disrupt those who are still trying to get it...dog in the manger style..dont know..even going out of his way to confuse people...
and now I really dont care~! since he is so buried in graffiti he can't see the light.