Thanks Dog, Ill post more soon, the info I've uncovered will help all. I got a question, I,found a rock that has been shaped, at first it appeared to be a blank surface, so when looking,at some pics,I seen some words,so focusing on the words, the flash reveled different light angle,had more info ,different direction,overlapping, is there a name for this technic. I figured how to extract the info, a candle. There are four different angle info directions. I would share pics, but due to the nature of the contents,I don't think it would be a good idea,yet. who used this technic,shadow carving,light angle,veiw angles, what is the name for this technic. Thanks Justintime there's some talented Carvers,overlapping the info.