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FBI Uniform Crime Reports and UK published crime statistics:

2011 firearms homicides
US: 8,583
UK: 58

2011 firearms homicide rate per 100,000 population:
US: 2.75
UK: 0.1

2011 overall firearms offenses:
US: 271525 (homicide, aggravated assault, armed robbery only)
UK: about 7500 (includes property damage offenses and other non-person crimes)

2011 Firearms offenses rate per 100,000 population:
US: 87 (homicide, aggravated assault, armed robbery only)
UK: 12 (includes about 20-25% fake weapons, and 30% criminal damage only - i.e. vandalism. In other words, it's really lower than that.)

Firearms-related death rate (all causes):
US: 10.2
UK: 0.25

The UK is much broader in its definition of "violent crime": getting shoved in a bar fight counts.Throwing a rock (or Golf ball seems to be the weapon of choice) through someones window, counts.We also count BB guns and imitation guns as "firearms" for purposes of counting firearms crimes.Also, things like pepper spray and CS gas sprays are considered "firearms", and included in UK statistics.

Defence rests!
 

You: Subject.
Me: Citizen.

I rest.
 

Would it be fair to consider that the US has ten times (+-) the population.
 

Yeah, that is why he calculated per 100,000
 

The last two times the British to to inject their ideas of way of life into an American lifestyle didn't turn out so well, did it?
Wde live our way, you live yours. They are different countries and your personal falovor of Kool-Aid is moot.
Do I tell you what the Queen should do in her spare time? No. I am not a British SUBJECT.
It's none of my business and my opinion and attempting to tell the majority of your country that they are wrong are both non-issues.

Whatever would make you think that:

1. We asked.
2. this is a good idea.
3. Your .02 about this country is going to impress or sway anyone, and not just serve to alienate people and cause a shitstorm.
 

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Critical Recovery said:
The last two times the British to to inject their ideas of way of life to us didn't turn out so well?

Whatever would make you think that.

1. We asked.
2. this is a good idea.
3. Your .02 about this country is going to impress or sway anyone, and not just serve to alienate?

I believe that ever human being has the inalienable right to view their option. I think it's a fundamental human right. Does anyone disagree?
 

Critical Recovery said:
You: Subject.
Me: Citizen.

I rest.

Is your point that "subjects" murder at a much lower rate per capita than "citizens" or where you making another point?
 

Is your point that "subjects" murder at a much lower rate per capita than "citizens" or where you making another point?
I'm not doing this with you. :-)
You can fish elsewhere.
I don't play word games on the internet. I lost my hearing and the vision in my right eye for you to express your opinion, so that's cool.
Express.
You are a citizen of this country I see.
I can't make you be right.

My point is that we are different types of people in different countries with different mindsets.

Cheers.
 

Critical Recovery said:
I'm not doing this with you. :-)
You can fish elsewhere.
I don't play word games on the internet. I lost my hearing and the vision in my right eye for you to express your opinion, so that's cool.
Express.
You are a citizen of this country I see.
I can't make you be right.

My point is that we are different types of people in different countries with different mindsets.

Cheers.

Frankly I consider our brothers across the sea to be independent and freedom loving brothers in arms. I find it insulting to them to portray them otherwise.
 

The last two times the British to to inject their ideas of way of life into an American lifestyle didn't turn out so well, did it?
Wde live our way, you live yours. They are different countries and your personal falovor of Kool-Aid is moot.
Do I tell you what the Queen should do in her spare time? No. I am not a British SUBJECT.
It's none of my business and my opinion and attempting to tell the majority of your country that they are wrong are both non-issues.

Whatever would make you think that:

1. We asked.
2. this is a good idea.
3. Your .02 about this country is going to impress or sway anyone, and not just serve to alienate people and cause a shitstorm.

First off: Thank you for your service.

Secondly: Nothing you said was nice. Dano does not need my support but I'm giving it to him anyway. If you discount Dano's opinion because he is not American then what will prevent you from discounting mine if we are not of the same race...or the same religion.

This is hate-mongering. If Dano said it he would get a time out. Take this venom out on me...I'm an American. Stop ganging up on Dano for not being an American.
 

You: Subject.
Me: Citizen.

I rest.

You need the rest mate!

Me: Citizen
You: Totally wrong

You: Someone who doesn't know his own history very well.
Me: Someone who knows your history better than you.

You: Someone who thinks i posted this just to annoy Americans.
Me: Someone who knows it's in response to TH (moderator) thread slamming England, which he locked before i could answer properly.

You: Somone who should go read it before jumping in without knowing what's what!
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/s...ong-gun-control-laws-so-how-working-them.html


Thanks Stock and Crispin.
 

It appears our British friends are still not safe with all guns banned, knives may be the next "assault" weapon banned in UK....


British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

The good news is that if we ever do get that assault rifle ban, followed by a handgun ban, followed by a ban of anything that can shoot bullets, the “Banners” will still have a banner year of banning all the other ways with which people kill other people.

Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control. They’ve actually gone up.
Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S., meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is lower than France’s, at 504
Instead of gun crime, the UK worries about knife crime. And has been practicing knife control.
The UK outlawed the switchblade and gravity knife in 1959.
In 1988 possession of a pocket knife with a blade larger than 3 inches in public became illegal.
In 1996, it became illegal to sell a razor blade to anyone under the age of 16.
In 2007, you needed a license to be able to sell “non-domestic knives.”
Despite all that knifepoint robberies rose by 10 percent this year and there are some 60,000 stabbings each year. So the push is on to outlaw long kitchen knives. Once that’s done, surely utopia will be at hand.
A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase – and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.
They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.
They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.
None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.
The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.
“We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect.”
Certainly no law-abiding person needs a long blade kitchen knife. No one is talking about outlawing all kitchen knives. Just the ones with long blades. No reason for anyone to go beyond a paring knife anyway.

The chefs say so and what does Julia Child know anyway.

Take a good look America. This is where we’re headed under liberal dominion.




British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings




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60,000 are injured by opening packaging



More than 60,000 people require hospital treatment each year after injuring themselves opening difficult packaging, research has shown.

From cuts and bruises to injured bones, sprains and even severed fingers, injuries sustained by the frustrations of trying to open a jar, bottle or tightly packed goods are costing the NHS £12 million a year.


Among the most common injuries were cuts sustained when opening cans of corned beef, which require a special key. Last year more than 9,000 people injured themselves while removing the sharp lids, accounting for 13.8 per cent of all emergency "package" admissions.


Excluding corned beef, food cans in general resulted in 17,671 people requiring hospital treatment (26 per cent). Researchers found fingers had been cut off in some cases by people using a knife to cut a can in half.


The findings were made by researchers at Nottingham University, who were asked by the Department of Trade and Industry to investigate the potential dangers on badly designed packaging.

Related Articles





Beverley Norris, from the Occupational Ergonomics Department, said: "What we found was a lack of design when it comes to consumers opening items."

She said that most accidents occur when people give up trying to open difficult packages conventionally and resort to using a knife or scissors. She said 88 people were injured using a knife to open the packaging containing a new knife.

Among the most serious hazards are glass bottles, which caused a large number of cuts to the hands when the bottles broke while being opened, injuries to feet when the bottle is dropped, and to teeth where people have tried to grip the bottle while opening it.
More than 2,000 people suffer wrist strain each year as they try to prise the lids off jam jars. Others injure themselves in sheer frustration, smashing the glass to open the jar.

Spray bottles and aerosols result in 1,600 injuries each year as people accidentally spray the contents in their eyes as they try to open the product.

Miss Norris said: "Our main find has been that packaging was easier to open when there is a larger surface area for grasping."

A spokesman for the DTI called the results "staggering", while David Jenkins, Product Safety Investigator for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, said: "We receive regular complaints from consumers who have injured themselves trying to get at a product. This is a serious problem and the industry should be doing more."

60,000 are injured by opening packaging - Telegraph





 

Frankly I consider our brothers across the sea to be independent and freedom loving brothers in arms. I find it insulting to them to portray them otherwise.

DUH>>>Brothers in arms???? They don't have arms.....that arms is FIRE arms you know!!
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
It appears our British friends are still not safe with all guns banned, knives may be the next "assault" weapon banned in UK....


British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

The good news is that if we ever do get that assault rifle ban, followed by a handgun ban, followed by a ban of anything that can shoot bullets, the “Banners” will still have a banner year of banning all the other ways with which people kill other people.

Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control. They’ve actually gone up.Britons suffer 1,158,957 violent crimes per year, which works out at 2,034 per 100,000 residents. The U.S., meanwhile, has a rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, which is lower than France’s, at 504

Instead of gun crime, the UK worries about knife crime. And has been practicing knife control.
The UK outlawed the switchblade and gravity knife in 1959.
In 1988 possession of a pocket knife with a blade larger than 3 inches in public became illegal.
In 1996, it became illegal to sell a razor blade to anyone under the age of 16.
In 2007, you needed a license to be able to sell “non-domestic knives.”
Despite all that knifepoint robberies rose by 10 percent this year and there are some 60,000 stabbings each year. So the push is on to outlaw long kitchen knives. Once that’s done, surely utopia will be at hand.A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase – and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.
They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.
They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen.
None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.
The researchers say legislation to ban the sale of long pointed knives would be a key step in the fight against violent crime.
“We suggest that banning the sale of long pointed knives is a sensible and practical measure that would have this effect.”

Certainly no law-abiding person needs a long blade kitchen knife. No one is talking about outlawing all kitchen knives. Just the ones with long blades. No reason for anyone to go beyond a paring knife anyway.

The chefs say so and what does Julia Child know anyway.

Take a good look America. This is where we’re headed under liberal dominion.

British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


60,000 are injured by opening packaging

More than 60,000 people require hospital treatment each year after injuring themselves opening difficult packaging, research has shown.

From cuts and bruises to injured bones, sprains and even severed fingers, injuries sustained by the frustrations of trying to open a jar, bottle or tightly packed goods are costing the NHS £12 million a year.


Among the most common injuries were cuts sustained when opening cans of corned beef, which require a special key. Last year more than 9,000 people injured themselves while removing the sharp lids, accounting for 13.8 per cent of all emergency "package" admissions.


Excluding corned beef, food cans in general resulted in 17,671 people requiring hospital treatment (26 per cent). Researchers found fingers had been cut off in some cases by people using a knife to cut a can in half.


The findings were made by researchers at Nottingham University, who were asked by the Department of Trade and Industry to investigate the potential dangers on badly designed packaging.

Related Articles


[*]The danger that lurks on your kitchen table


Beverley Norris, from the Occupational Ergonomics Department, said: "What we found was a lack of design when it comes to consumers opening items."

She said that most accidents occur when people give up trying to open difficult packages conventionally and resort to using a knife or scissors. She said 88 people were injured using a knife to open the packaging containing a new knife.

Among the most serious hazards are glass bottles, which caused a large number of cuts to the hands when the bottles broke while being opened, injuries to feet when the bottle is dropped, and to teeth where people have tried to grip the bottle while opening it.
More than 2,000 people suffer wrist strain each year as they try to prise the lids off jam jars. Others injure themselves in sheer frustration, smashing the glass to open the jar.

Spray bottles and aerosols result in 1,600 injuries each year as people accidentally spray the contents in their eyes as they try to open the product.

Miss Norris said: "Our main find has been that packaging was easier to open when there is a larger surface area for grasping."

A spokesman for the DTI called the results "staggering", while David Jenkins, Product Safety Investigator for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, said: "We receive regular complaints from consumers who have injured themselves trying to get at a product. This is a serious problem and the industry should be doing more."

60,000 are injured by opening packaging - Telegraph

Does this answer why the firearm homicide rate is much lower per capita in the UK than the US? That seems to be the question posed by this thread. Does anyone have an opinion.
 

Yes, the American people are each born with the Bill of Rights, "The Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" and it is written and guaranteed in our Constitution's Bill of Rights..... That is the difference, the English government took that right away from the English subjects..........
 

FBI Uniform Crime Reports and UK published crime statistics:

2011 firearms homicides
US: 8,583
UK: 58

2011 firearms homicide rate per 100,000 population:
US: 2.75
UK: 0.1

2011 overall firearms offenses:
US: 271525 (homicide, aggravated assault, armed robbery only)
UK: about 7500 (includes property damage offenses and other non-person crimes)

2011 Firearms offenses rate per 100,000 population:
US: 87 (homicide, aggravated assault, armed robbery only)
UK: 12 (includes about 20-25% fake weapons, and 30% criminal damage only - i.e. vandalism. In other words, it's really lower than that.)

Firearms-related death rate (all causes):
US: 10.2
UK: 0.25

The UK is much broader in its definition of "violent crime": getting shoved in a bar fight counts.Throwing a rock (or Golf ball seems to be the weapon of choice) through someones window, counts.We also count BB guns and imitation guns as "firearms" for purposes of counting firearms crimes.Also, things like pepper spray and CS gas sprays are considered "firearms", and included in UK statistics.

Defence rests!

OK...now put up the stats on all homicides...not just gun homicides. You see, when you control guns the firearm related murders drop, but all other murders go way up. The reason for that is simple.....the normally defenseless people (small, female, young, weak,) etc. have no defense against the larger, tougher, male antagonists, so they get murdered more often, but with clubs, knives, fists, etc.. Also, since the UK government wants to keep controlling guns, they probably skew the stats. remember what some guy said..."there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Jim
 

Sackett said:
DUH>>>Brothers in arms???? They don't have arms.....that arms is FIRE arms you know!!

I guess you havnt heard of these things we call wars that the British have fought along side us for many many decades??
 

TH doesn't like facts mate.Actual body counts don't fit too well with his percentage rates and dubious polls! ;)


The UK is much broader in its definition of "violent crime": getting shoved in a bar fight counts.Throwing a rock (or Golf ball seems to be the weapon of choice) through someones window, counts.
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
Yes, the American people are each born with the Bill of Rights, "The Right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" and it is written and guaranteed in our Constitution's Bill of Rights..... That is the difference, the English government took that right away from the English subjects..........

And I believe that ever human being is born with inalienable rights regardless of nationality, race, gender, religion etc. don't you agree?
 

No one, no one at all has the right to tamper with my rights with in the Bill of Rights......I am sure you know the meaning of nonnegotiable, they are nonnegotiable..............

It is obvious you are never going to understand how we As American Patriots feel about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, nothing you ever say will ever change my mind as far as this matter goes. As far as I am concerned we have compromised enough on the 2nd Amendment, I am not willing to compromise another inch on it...............
 

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