The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

[BennyV]

Well don't get upset. I am sometimes a bit sarcastic, that comes from too much swashbuckling I suppose. And yes I was a bit taken back by your post telling you already know where that island is without telling. I don't like to be teased here. I come like most people to learn from others and grandstanding isn't helpful.

If you think you know keep that to yourself and then everyone will continue the discussion in a friendly manner.

That’s the problem we sometimes have on websites/text messages/emails. At times we can’t deduce sarcasm/humor/emotion(s) from the text.

 

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[Randawg72]

Well don't get upset. I am sometimes a bit sarcastic, that comes from too much swashbuckling I suppose. And yes I was a bit taken back by your post telling you already know where that island is without telling. I don't like to be teased here. I come like most people to learn from others and grandstanding isn't helpful.

If you think you know keep that to yourself and then everyone will continue the discussion in a friendly manner.

False claims are annoying. That's why I choose my words carefully, as in: "I already found what I believe to be Kidd's island." rather than: "I already found Kidd's island."
Everything that I post is truthful to the best of my knowledge and perceptions. And I openly retract comments that I have posted in error.
Maybe you can elaborate on your "a lot of contradictions in what you are claiming in the first post" statement?

 

[Bocaj]

False claims are annoying. That's why I choose my words carefully, as in: "I already found what I believe to be Kidd's island." rather than: "I already found Kidd's island."
Everything that I post is truthful to the best of my knowledge and perceptions. And I openly retract comments that I have posted in error.

Well it means you have an idea where it could be but you keep it t yourself (why would you mention it apart to tease everyone here). No one is complaining that it isn't truthful, it is simply not polite to tell "I know already but I won't tell". Please keep it to yourself until you are ready to introduce us to your ideas.

Maybe you can elaborate on your "a lot of contradictions in what you are claiming in the first post" statement?

As mentioned in you first post you think the island is not in the Americas. But in a further discussion you claim Kidd's treasure being around 100k from the sale of QM goods. As those goods were sold in the Caribbean he could not buried the treasure outside of the Americas as he was imprisoned there shortly after.
If you look for the island in the Indian ocean it would very much advance my idea that he somehow got his hand on Avery's treasure as the huge sum can hardly explained otherwise.

 

[BennyV]

So where’s the island? What ocean is it in?

 

[wilfin]

I have a great interest in the treasure "Lodged" by Captain Kidd. I believe the treasure exists, and that the "Kidd/Palmer" charts are authentic, and I do Not believe the treasure is located anywhere near the America's nor the China Sea. I may (or may not) have solved some of the clues in this 328 year old mystery, and am interested in the opinions and input of like minded treasure hunters.

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Hello I’m in nz have read a lot about Robinson Crusoe island lately and as a pirate strong hold doesn’t get much mention of treasure only the English late arrival on the seen a lot about refitting ships probably the odd cash on land owned by Argentinian govt now land maps in the Harlian library in England a good place to look also the dag register Indonesia of lost ships Chek words MAR DEL …SOL might be missing discription off map more likely the Solomon is or near by??

 

[Randawg72]

Well it means you have an idea where it could be but you keep it t yourself (why would you mention it apart to tease everyone here). No one is complaining that it isn't truthful, it is simply not polite to tell "I know already but I won't tell". Please keep it to yourself until you are ready to introduce us to your ideas.

An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can exchange opinions and ideas on topics in the form of posted messages.
Why would sharing (or not sharing) my opinion be considered "not-polite"?
Sorry, but if you expect me to disclose all of my findings to you and the world, get ready for more disappointment.

As mentioned in you first post you think the island is not in the Americas. But in a further discussion you claim Kidd's treasure being around 100k from the sale of QM goods. As those goods were sold in the Caribbean he could not buried the treasure outside of the Americas as he was imprisoned there shortly after.

Records show that Kidd sold 132 chests of Opium and 122 bales of silk and other goods for gold and Rupees before leaving India at the ports of Cochin and Kalliquilon. Where is it written that Kidd sold any of his plundered goods in the Caribbean?

 

[Bocaj]

Why would sharing (or not sharing) my opinion be considered "not-polite"?
Sorry, but if you expect me to disclose all of my findings to you and the world, get ready for more disappointment.

No one expect that from you - don't twist my words. Please stay with facts and opinions - what you did above was neither.

Records show that Kidd sold 132 chests of Opium and 122 bales of silk and other goods for gold and Rupees before leaving India at the ports of Cochin and Kalliquilon. Where is it written that Kidd sold any of his plundered goods in the Caribbean?

He sold some and left the crew with the QM to sell more of it. They sold the rest, burned the ship. He and Bellomont got nothing apart from what he buried at Gardners island.

He sold some of the goods in India to be able to continue the voyage. Then his crew deserted him taking their share with them. Would he salvage the Adventure Galley for its metal parts if he already carried 100k in gold and stones?

He paid out the shares of almost all the crew (100) after the mutiny. He kept the investors part, his own and 15 crew's part. Then subtract the goods they sold in Mona Island and what he buried in Gardners island. Please make the calculation. How in the world he be able to bury 100k even if the rest of the crew let him do that without their knowledge? (he had to take on new crew who I guess wouldn't part with their share neither)

If he buried a treasure (not in the Americas) that came from the ships he took in India he must have at least greatly exaggerated its value!

 

[Randawg72]

No one expect that from you - don't twist my words. Please stay with facts and opinions - what you did above was neither.
So you didn't write " simply not polite", and "Please keep it to yourself"?
He sold some and left the crew with the QM to sell more of it. They sold the rest, burned the ship. He and Bellomont got nothing apart from what he buried at Gardners island.
Kidd left Henry Bolton in charge of the Quedagh Merchant and its "Leftover" cargo. The bulk had long been sold, and Kidd's £100,000 pound treasure was already safely hidden.
He sold some of the goods in India to be able to continue the voyage. Then his crew deserted him taking their share with them. Would he salvage the Adventure Galley for its metal parts if he already carried 100k in gold and stones?
Iron was more valuable in the 17th Century. Ships were always stripped before scuttled.
He paid out the shares of almost all the crew (100) after the mutiny. Kidd divided a small portion of gold to his crew. They never knew the total amount of treasure Kidd had. He kept the investors part, his own and 15 crew's part. Then subtract the goods they sold in Mona Island and what he buried in Gardners island. Please make the calculation. How in the world he be able to bury 100k even if the rest of the crew let him do that without their knowledge? (he had to take on new crew who I guess wouldn't part with their share neither)
After the sell-off, Kidd had acquired 75 pounds of gold, 150 pounds of silver, And more than 70 Rubies, Emeralds, Sapphires, and Diamonds. (Ref: The Pirate Hunter, page 220).
If he buried a treasure (not in the Americas) that came from the ships he took in India he must have at least greatly exaggerated its value!
I believe the £100,000 pound quote is accurate. Kidd always raided the Captain's quarters and secreted this plunder for himself. The Captain of the QM (John Wright's) treasure was worth tens of thousands of pounds on its own.

 

[Randawg72]

Hello I’m in nz have read a lot about Robinson Crusoe island lately and as a pirate strong hold doesn’t get much mention of treasure only the English late arrival on the seen a lot about refitting ships probably the odd cash on land owned by Argentinian govt now land maps in the Harlian library in England a good place to look also the dag register Indonesia of lost ships Chek words MAR DEL …SOL might be missing discription off map more likely the Solomon is or near by??

Hi Wilfin,
A lot of people believe that Juan Fernández is possibly Kidd's Island (see post #123). I just think it's too geographically out of range. The same with the Solomon Islands.

 

[Randawg72]

So where’s the island? What ocean is it in?

Well Kidd says it's in the China Sea, and it's called Yunnan Island.

 

[ISmellGold]

Just watched Pirates Behind the Legends: William Kidd
not bad,
Honestly never knew the Gist of the story untill watching.
To me it seems Kidd was pretty much based out of the American Colonys and had little to do with England.
The Sory pretty much made sense, up until the explanation of Madagasgar where the haul was supposedly split up.
Personally I think he stopped in Madagascar for provisions before he sailed back acoss the Atlantic.
Not sure if any booty was ever split up there.
Barbados might be a spot where there is something burried. You would probably have to do some research on the West Indies to get an exact island,
Most likely Hateras was the Island that was widely circulated as far as the map, and apparently something was recovered on Gardiners Island?
Wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple locations.
The thing that gets me about the story is, There are no details of the exact capture? In the documentary the say he was held for 2 years in prison, when I had heard 6 months? before he was shipped back to England? Strange. That at his trial men that were on the ship testified against Kidd? Where did these Witnesses materialize from, how did they make their way to England for the trial?
The Book about the Trial just seems fabricated to me, just to sell books.

Maybe I will research it further one day but most likely anything he burried has been recovered long ago.
Probablt the most interesting thing to find would be the French Passes that he suposedly?took as proof. Pretty Intersting Maybe I will do a little Research on Barbados.
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He was probably a fool for returning to Boston.
I guess it is possible something could be burried anywhere between Hateras and Barbados?
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If ther is any ofKidds Treasure out there this would probably be my first Island I would start looking

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[ISmellGold]

Just watched Pirates Behind the Legends: William Kidd
not bad,
Honestly never knew the Gist of the story untill watching.
To me it seems Kidd was pretty much based out of the American Colonys and had little to do with England.
The Sory pretty much made sense, up until the explanation of Madagasgar where the haul was supposedly split up.
Personally I think he stopped in Madagascar for provisions before he sailed back acoss the Atlantic.
Not sure if any booty was ever split up there.
Barbados might be a spot where there is something burried. You would probably have to do some research on the West Indies to get an exact island,
Most likely Hateras was the Island that was widely circulated as far as the map, and apparently something was recovered on Gardiners Island?
Wouldn't be surprised if there were multiple locations.
The thing that gets me about the story is, There are no details of the exact capture? In the documentary the say he was held for 2 years in prison, when I had heard 6 months? before he was shipped back to England? Strange. That at his trial men that were on the ship testified against Kidd? Where did these Witnesses materialize from, how did they make their way to England for the trial?
The Book about the Trial just seems fabricated to me, just to sell books.

Maybe I will research it further one day but most likely anything he burried has been recovered long ago.
Probablt the most interesting thing to find would be the French Passes that he suposedly?took as proof. Pretty Intersting Maybe I will do a little Research on Barbados.
😜

Happy Holidays
He was probably a fool for returning to Boston.
I guess it is possible something could be burried anywhere between Hateras and Barbados?
🤔
If ther is any ofKidds Treasure out there this would probably be my first Island I would start looking

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

Probably take some time to dial it in though.

😁

After thinking about it, word of the capture of the ship would not of reached the Caribean, so Kidd would of had free reign among any of the Islands claimed by the British.
Most Likely his first stop after Madagascar most likely would of been Barbados, He probably was heading to Port Royal, would be my guess. He seemed to have a line of communication with Boston as well as England? So he must of Been Getting information from Port Royal.
I seem to remeber somebody posted a Kidd map of a Round Island, I pretty much dismissed it. But Nevis seems to fit the bill.

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Probably would of stopped in Nevis on his way to Port Royal.Probably not a bad place to Bury some plunder for a rainy day?

I doubt he would of unloaded everything in Port Royal.

I am smelling Nevis
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