The real truth about the man made drought in California

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Considering some of what I just read an interesting point comes up. It seems that in 2012, the salmon run was high enough that the commercial fishing operations brought in so many salmon that the dock price dropped $7 a pound. California?s booming salmon season belies the species? precarious future - Monterey County Weekly: Local News

And considering that the salmon do prey on the delta smelt, this leads one to ponder that has the salmon run been "saved" to the point that it has eaten itself out of house and home?
 

Does anybody here know what has to be introduced to sea water to completely purify it?
(Yeah, Heat.........., it has to be contained and exposed to the sun.)

Is pure water a direct bi product of common salt mining?
(Yes, but currently that is considered a completely separate harvesting process because fresh water is basically readily available and relatively cheap.)

Is access to reasonably priced unlimited pure processed drinking water available to the Southwest and ultimately the entire country?
(Yes, an unlimited supply...)

Is it a priority?...
(No, not at all...)

Does giving 4 publicly traded banks free access to close to 1 billion (TRILLION, correction, TRILLION) dollars that was printed overnight keep their stock values from dropping have much higher priority? (Not really, their accounts were simply credited, it took 2 years to actually print it.)

(Off course....)

Does anybody care that the above transaction actually occurred?
No it was just good business. (OK, but we are definitely not in Kansas any more)

Its just money, They simply print it as it is deemed "necessary" when the tail ultimately wags the dog.
 

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Oakview2 said:
Comparative environmental tolerances of threatened delta smelt (Hypomesus transpacificus) and introduced wakasagi (H. nipponensis) in an altered California estuary - Springer
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Yea, the wakasagi were introduced because it was believed that they and the delta smelt were the same species. Current genetic analysis has proven otherwise, although at some point they did have a common ancestor. Although many others and I are starting to question some of the analysis work done in the past.

Based on the information in that link and considering the wider range of tolerances the wakasagi can tolerate, there are a lot of other factors at work in the delta that either have not been found or are not being released to the general public. If I had to hazard a guess base on the limited information I have, my first thought would be severe depredation.
 

Striped bass and largemouth bass are the main culprits, by the folks who have the biolgical opinion that pumps killed all the smelt. Funny how it did that when they haven't run in four years. Nitrates from the sewage of Stockton and Sacramento have all but finished them off.
 

"Good Trade"

I know its a touchy conversation, but in reality Canada needs your produce and you need our water before it dumps into the ocean.

Just north of California lies the worlds largest supply of fresh water

California produces the worlds largest amount of fresh vegetables.

Each day billions of gallons of fresh water dump into the ocean at your border (Fraser River Canada)

Capture it and send it south!

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Don't forget the Columbia river between Oregon and Washington state.
 

The Skagit River flowing through my backyard is the
2nd largest flowing river (in terms of gal.) in Wa. State.
At the moment it's flowing by at about 11,000 cubic feet
of water, per second, and it's all headed for Puget Sound.

This about 5000 cu. ft. per second lower than the average
for this week of the year.

This, as I look out on mountains and high hills that should
have a lot more snow on them than they do. Winter snow,
when we get it at my place, is generally measured in feet + ",
and this past winter we had less than 1" of snow, total.

If Spring continues to be this dry, and Summer is hotter
and drier (as forecast) then that rivers gonna be running
awful low come next Fall when it's time for the Salmon to
return. In early July, there's 40,000 Sockeye expected to
swim by my place and up the Baker River to where they were
hatched, and come Sept. there's a forecast of 600k-1M
Pinks expected to be coming back into the river. If the
water is low, the fish wait out in the Sound until rains come
and the river rises.
 

Appears some people always use and take more than their share

The Los Angeles Times found that the top 100 water users in San Diego gulped down 3,000 gallons or more a day, while the average household used 349 gallons.

Atop the list of the biggest users: The San Diego Union*-Tribune’s publisher, Helen Copley, who pumped an average of 10,203 gallons a day on her 9.5-acre La Jolla estate, which was tended by 10 full-time gardeners. Dozens of those top water users complained that publicizing their water use would expose them to security concerns or ridicule, the L.A. Times reported.

https://www.popularresistance.org/californias-biggest-water-users-kept-secret/
 

Red 2nd time I have asked you to keep politics out of all forums but our political forum
 

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All this talk of drought, but when I went through the Grapevine a couple weeks ago on my way to Bakersfield and saw that Pyramid Lake was pretty much full...anyone know why and/or how?
 

Los Angeles water District is one of the richest in the state, they will buy all the water they can get at almost any price, and pass it on to their customers.
 

I recently saw a program on public tv about Israels drought problem and they solved it by using/building 5 desalinization plants. now the give water to Palistine!!!!!!!!!!!! they also noted that they have sent their info to California for their consideration about building these plants. ITS ABOUT TIME! the socalled "representatives" in Cal. are saying why spend all that money building something that will eventually "cure itself" during Winter run off???? and you wonder why California is having problems............
 

"As of now I can tell you there is no additional water being released for fish flows,” Shields said". however in the end, Money almost always wins, it would be easier and cheaper to carry those six fish to the sea in a Limo-water tanker. Anyway the shortage is all ready there so fulfilling their proposed schelduled water has not caused the problem
 

I am going to divert the grey water coming out of my bathtub into two big ash trees soon. I live in a mobile home, so its easy to crawl under and plumb it in. If we saved grey water and let it sink into a filtered sump in our yards we could all help recharge the groundwater aquifer, rather than let it run into waste.

The ultimate solution for Cal is to build an aqueduct from the Columbia River, down thru Oregon and dump into Lake Shasta, where it can feed into the rest of the state. The Northwest usually gets lots of rain, even when Cal is in a drought. I have all the historical records to prove that.
 

Maxlfty said:
Awesome rant CHUDs!
When the agri-corporations finish destroying the valley, they will receive a bailout. Because they have bought off our politicians.
And when we have to re locate guess what? SOL , after all you are just a taxpayer.
This drought is cyclic, part of California's climate. Been this way since the beginning.
There are simple ways to survive through this and prepare for future droughts. But it's being shortsighted and selfish that got us into this predicament.
Read Cadillac Desert, I know it was written by an enviro-nazi , but there are lessons to be learned.
We need new water use practices. Get use to it because soon we will be drinking re cycled waste water.
Lawns should be a thing of the past.
Let's pray for rain. If the drought continues for a fifth year, things are going to get real exciting.
And the Giants are really pissing me off too.



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When the Giants are bad, turn on the Oakland A's!!
 

Mad Machinist said:
Don't even start with "it's for the children".

This big old ball of dirt we live on has killed off somewhere between 96-98% of all species long before we got here. Last I checked salmon have been around for some 300 million years. I'm sure they've seen few things in their day.

I'll agree with you on the water use practices. They do need to change.

So here's an idea.

Instead of building the high speed train, how about fixing your canals. How about giving Mother Nature a boost and call upon the dredgers to start removing sediment from the reservoir and deposit it on the low lying delta islands? Throw in some excavating companies since the reservoirs there are at historic low levels.

Think about the implications here and get back to me. And think about all the ways this could be stopped through litigation.
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I'd love to see the high speed train stopped.
I'm in as far as dredging goes also. I know a few creeks that need to be relived of their gold.
Another dredge the reservoirs with the low levels makes sense.

History tells us, that the Sacramento was saltier and much further up. Must have been warmer also in the low flow summer months. During the gold rush and hey day of hydraulic mining , salmon must have taken a beating. The fact is most of their spawning ground is blocked by dams. I'm not sure that's an obstacle they can overcome.

I'm not a fan of lawyers.

Build the Sites reservoir. Raise Shasta Dam.
Pipe the canals. Remove the lawns.

Whiskey is for drinking, water is for fighting.
Mark Twain



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