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Male 1st?
For deer it's the Stag that will send the Doe out first. Go test the ice dear. 🤣
Then we'll follow, seen that before.
But it doesn't always work out well.
Doe is lighter than Buck, and then the swimming begins.
Maybe in the bird world males step up.
FOOT NOTE: I don't have a degree in deerology.
So maybe our resident @relevantchair that has his masters degree as a deeroligist can fine tune us in this subject.
 

Male 1st?
For deer it's the Stag that will send the Doe out first. Go test the ice dear. 🤣
The does here are definitely more approachable than the bucks, at least the older ones.

Maybe in the bird world males step up.
I don't know, just guessing. I do know that for most birds, the males are the "flashy" show offs, bright colors and so forth. Gotta look good for the ladies...
 

that's serious about the home invasions being that bad, why are they killing when it's just thievery they're after, any reason? I meant to ask Chilli, I guess I might answer my own question, in that it's in the word reason, there is little reason in their heads anyways if they're home invaders in the first place
 

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FOOT NOTE: I don't have a degree in deerology.
So maybe our resident @relevantchair that has his masters degree as a deeroligist can fine tune us in this subject.
Being young a Jake might have just been less cautious. Or just hungrier.

Deer... Vary. Guess that's part of how some survive longer than others.
Sex and age can factor more today but then not tomorrow.

I like to see an old doe around.
She knows her business and has had fawns to consider and try to get to autumn or longer.
A young buck is likely to harass her after hard antler season begins even before she might be receptive.
An older buck during seeking phase or even outside of it and outside the rut encounters an old doe and she can be a weathervane of locale potential trouble.

A friend brought apples and maybe some carrots on a bow hunt to the U.P..
I helped him hang a treestand and he put his bait out.
First buck going down the trail acted like he bumped an electric fence.
Hopped aside to go around the bait and then back onto the deer trail.

Another friend hunting here in the lower penn. put out apples. Walked up the low ridge and hardly sat down to find a doe and fawn eating apples already.

Another friend took bucks with bait when bucks were studying (scenting and watching) for doe traffic at bait.
I've done similar.
Then there was an area deer followed and one brought away stayed clear of bait.

So it varies.
Time I say a critter will do this is does that instead.
But what one has done when watched I can make a call on...L.o.l.
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Being young a Jake might have just been less cautious. Or just hungrier.

Deer... Vary. Guess that's part of how some survive longer than others.
Sex and age can factor more today but then not tomorrow.

I like to see an old doe around.
She knows her business and has had fawns to consider and try to get to autumn or longer.
A young buck is likely to harass her after hard antler season begins even before she might be receptive.
An older buck during seeking phase or even outside of it and outside the rut encounters an old doe and she can be a weathervane of locale potential trouble.

A friend brought apples and maybe some carrots on a bow hunt to the U.P..
I helped him hang a treestand and he put his bait out.
First buck going down the trail acted like he bumped an electric fence.
Hopped aside to go around the bait and then back onto the deer trail.

Another friend hunting here in the lower penn. put out apples. Walked up the low ridge and hardly sat down to find a doe and fawn eating apples already.

Another friend took bucks with bait when bucks were studying (scenting and watching) for doe traffic at bait.
I've done similar.
Then there was an area deer followed and one brought away stayed clear of bait.

So it varies.
Time I say a critter will do this is does that instead.
But what one has done when watched I can make a call on...L.o.l.View attachment 2191166
First buck going down the trail acted like he bumped an electric fence.
Hopped aside to go around the bait and then back onto the deer trail. :laughing7:They're smart them old ones, they have been there done that!:icon_thumleft:
 

that's serious about the home invasions being that bad, why are they killing when it's just thievery they're after, any reason? I meant to ask Chilli, I guess I might answer my own question, in that it's in the word reason, there is little reason in their heads anyways if they're home invaders in the first place
Many years ago I had backed my roll-off into my yard. Sitting there drinking a coffee gathering my thoughts.
I see 2 guys with a bunch of hockey equipment bags fast walking down the street.
They went in behind a dumpster across the way, and started to change their clothes quickly.
I called 911, the dispatch was like so what.

I said look lady this isn't a case of we $hit the pants and need to change. These guys did something and they're on the run.

Then within minutes a helicopter was hovering, squad cars, guns out of holsters.

They arrested the 2 after a short stand off in a coffee roasting company.
They had done a violent home invasion, hurt the homeowners, and the bounty was was in the equipment bags.
I knew my hood, and it wasn't the best street to have a business, but certain things didn't fit in.
 

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