The Queen’s Jewels from 1715 fleet

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RTR... I have been in Abaco/Marsh Harbor in the Bahamas doing a Security Detail for an NGO, Search and Rescue Ops and Relief efforts... and I also have a 3 month old baby so I’ve been a bit busy man... sorry I haven’t responded to your message.
 

I have seen Emeralds from the Atocha. They were uncut and looked like melted coke bottles all broken up and polished dull by the sand.
 

lets see -- what would occur should you find SPANISH ROYAL CROWN JEWELS FROM THE 1715 FLEET -- SPAIN WHOULD CLAIM OWNERSHIP (OF COURSE) BEING ITS THEIR "HISTORICAL" CROWN JEWELS -- so kiss them good bye --good reason not to crow about finding it -- so what to do with it .....sadly it would likely be melted down for its gem and gold value ...
 

in the detecting world --there is a well known adage -- loose lips lose their treasures ..because other folks will raid the area your hunting at and other folks will try to "claim" your finds for themselves..
 

European History

In 1715 the King of Spain was Philip V who was actually a French man, nephew of the King of France and the first of the House of Bourbon of the Spanish Royal family. At this time Spain and France and Italy, Catholic countries were allies.

In about 1807, Napoleon a Frenchman invaded Spain and put his brother Joseph over Spain.
In 1815 when Napoleon fell his brother Joseph stole the Spanish crown jewels and fled to America. He bought a farm just outside Philadelphia and later moved to upstate New York and later went back to Europe.

Now the current King of Spain is still from the House of Bourbon and Spain does not have any crown jewels.

My point being if the Spanish try to claim "their" crown jewels my response would be go talk to your friends,
the French.

That's dysfunctional European history for you.
 

in 1701 the Spanish king died leaving no heir to the throne ...so his cousin the king of france --claimed both the king of france and spain's thrones --this was too much power in one set of hands according to the british ,dutch and their allies so a war started it lasted from 1701 to 1714 --and was the reason that the 1715 was so richly loaded --the Spanish sent no treasure home from 1711 to 1715 for fear it would be taken by their enemies ...that's why the 1715 fleet was so rich --it was equal to 4 to 5 years worth of "treasure fleets" all in 1
 

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ivan salis said:
lets see -- what would occur should you find SPANISH ROYAL CROWN JEWELS FROM THE 1715 FLEET -- SPAIN WHOULD CLAIM OWNERSHIP (OF COURSE) BEING ITS THEIR "HISTORICAL" CROWN JEWELS -- so kiss them good bye --good reason not to crow about finding it -- so what to do with it .....sadly it would likely be melted down for its gem and gold value ...
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Lets see-- there have been many Major treasures sold Quietly to private collectors ,and never seen again. Some, Once in a great while will pop up
 

oh there are black markets for rare items --things that rich folks put away only to be seen by their eyes -- many major art works stolen by the Nazi's during WW 2 have "disappeared" like this into the hands of wealthy collectors ...
 

PhipsFolly said:
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PhipsFolly, are you still living in the Keys? Must be a nice place to call your home! Queen's Jewels was quite a story built up around them. Whether or not they actually exist, the original shoreline was much farther out when 1715 ships wrecked. Much treasure washed up as the shoreline eroded away.

The story centered around 8 chests which were the reason for all the delays, contributing to the timing of the disaster. One special treasure said to be prepared for the Queen, was a heart made of more than 100 matched pearls. If these chests did exist, would expect them to, from their shape and weight, not to wash along in storms as the flat coins, chains, and cannons.
 

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Lease map here shows where gold has been found in red and blue for silver,

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You can see how cannons washed right up on the shallow side of lease.

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Pseudo-trails formed as beach eroded away.

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Wreck site here is probably off Ft Pierce shoreline.

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I think this lease was where all the July 2015 gold coins, chains, royals, were found (on shallow bedrock under 4-5 feet of sand). Research that treasure story and you then should have a location for the maps. Even though the gold is found on the beach side of maps, it is out of reach for your coil except after storms. State of Florida won't give out exact gps on where a lease begins/ends so, hunting for treasure there is off limits.
 

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Has anyone have any idea on what percentage of treasures are yet to be discovered , how much did the Spanish recover after the disaster and what has been recovered from the Real Eight in the early 1960's ventures up until now ? .
 

According to older research material, all combined salvage operations recovered less treasure than the untold amounts found by beach hunters on Florida treasure coast. No way to estimate amount yet out there, some treasure was smuggled on board or bribed it's way. Not all the cargo was gold and silver, certain wrecks are known for coins. There should be a percentage left where ships broke up, being overloaded with gold and silver. It doesn't take NASA space technology to identify the possible location of the original shoreline in 1715 timeline. Spain salvaging plus Indians relocated some treasure.
 

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To quote Dell Winders...

"In my opinion, what researchers fail to consider is the location of the shore line during the time period of their research. During the 1500's, 1700's the shoreline extended much farther out than the present day shore line. Wrecks that are now found a half mile off shore may have wrecked close, or washed up on the beach of the earlier shore line making it easy for the Indians to salvage it's cargo and relocate it. Dell"

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/shipwrecks/292085-older-spanish-shipwrecks-3.html


 

Red_desert said:
To quote Dell Winders...

"In my opinion, what researchers fail to consider is the location of the shore line during the time period of their research. During the 1500's, 1700's the shoreline extended much farther out than the present day shore line. Wrecks that are now found a half mile off shore may have wrecked close, or washed up on the beach of the earlier shore line making it easy for the Indians to salvage it's cargo and relocate it. Dell"

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/shipwrecks/292085-older-spanish-shipwrecks-3.html
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I have to disagree. The Dutch cartographer Bernard Romans mapped this area just a few years after the 1715 fleet sank and his chart looks almost the same as the present shoreline.
 

I rarely hear anybody talking about Pirates chasing off Spanish salvage crews. If Spanish salvage crews worked the site surely Pirates would have soon followed. Unfortunately Pirates may not have been able to write so we have no way of knowing what % they salvaged. Luckily they left some treasure for us current day privateers to salvage from Davey Jones Locker.
 

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