The Peralta Stones

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Joe, may I have your permission to copy and keep that ? I like it. heheheh

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

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[Springfield]

Roy and Springfield,

I highly doubt the FBI Agent's statement to Corbin was just the result of the FBI pulling a date out of their as$es. Remember, the result of the FBIs Opinion was that the AZ Court forced MOEL to donate the Stone maps to a Non-Profit (AL Flagg/AM&MM). If their opinion was based on nothing but "anal conjecture" (pulling a date out of their as$), that would have left the court's decision to be overturned and the FBI to be sued in a Civil Court. In this action, the Court forced the owners of what had been private property for twenty years to GIVE/DONATE the stones. Mitchel/MOEL did not donate them as part of any tax deal as was previously thought.

If your OPINION is going to be the cause of someone losing their private property that they consider to be VERY valuable, you had better have your ducks in a row, and a VERY GOOD basis for forming your OPINION!

Best-Mike

I find the FBI's involvement curious from the start. As I read the land status maps covering the alleged 'discovery point' for the stones, it seems to be either on State Land (most probable) or on private land (less probable). In either case, the Feds did not have jurisdiction based on the Antiquities Act of 1906 , which specifies that possible archaeological/historical sites lying on Federal Land shall be controlled by the head of the appropriate Federal Agency (FS, NPS, BLM, et al). Since the Arizona Antiquities Act of 1960 post-dates the alleged 1949 discovery of the stones, it seems to me that if the Tumlinson story is accurate (big if), the 'artifacts' were the legal possession of their owners and were not subject to antiquities legislation of any kind. Of course, you can see thousands of examples of this sort of situation - just drive into any old rancher's property and check out the numerous manos, metates, stone tools, pottery, etc. in his possession. All legal if he can demonstrate where and when they were recovered.

Bottom line: the cops may have hard-balled Mitchell in the court proceedings, but it sounds like they were blowing smoke. This makes the 'FBI opinion' even more suspect to me. These stones may well be 'old', but isn't it time to lay the 'FBI opinion' to rest as 'proof'?

Of course, as Jim said above, "It does not really matter to me who found them, where they were found, or who lied, and who told the truth. My main interest lies in the information that is inscribed on them, and how to use it."

 

[cactusjumper]

Don Jose,

Be my guest. Glad you liked it. I had hopes that it would convey the mesage that I had a passing familiarity with the legends of Tayopa.

As for the Stone Maps, I am still waiting to hear the fat lady sing Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho, here are the documents......Joe. So far, all of the tunes seem the same:
Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho.......I ain't got nothing to show".

Take care,

Joe

 

[goldbugpr]

Joe, That was extremly well done. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Phil

 

[cactusjumper]

Phil,

Many thanks! That's much more than I got from Don Jose, the ungrateful wretch.

My poem had nothing to do with gold or silver. It concerned the real treasure of the Jesuits, that being the Native American souls. No judgement as to them being right or wrong, or even just.

When the Jesuit expulsion happened, the gates of hell were opened for almost all of the tribes under their influence. Those who did well, are still around today, but it was the Jesuits who gave them the tools to survive.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Jim Hatt]

[Since the Arizona Antiquities Act of 1960 post-dates the alleged 1949 discovery of the stones, it seems to me that if the Tumlinson story is accurate (big if), the 'artifacts' were the legal possession of their owners and were not subject to antiquities legislation of any kind...........

Bottom line: the cops may have hard-balled Mitchell in the court proceedings, but it sounds like they were blowing smoke. This makes the 'FBI opinion' even more suspect to me. These stones may well be 'old', but isn't it time to lay the 'FBI opinion' to rest as 'proof'?

Springfield,

Put yourself in Mitchel's position at the time. If the matter did go to trial... How would he possibly be able to prove that Tumlinson found the maps in the late 1940's (Some people believe 1947 not 1949) and that Mitchell had not found them just prior to them coming out in the 1964 Life Magazine article? He had already stated for the record where they were found, so there was no way for him to weasel out of that.

The FBI part of the story will never be put to rest in my opinion.

1 - Because it comes from a former Attorney General for the state of Arizona.
2 - Because it was the only leverage the State had to scare Mitchell into an agreement and avoid prosecution.
3 - Because it is so well documented in the history of the stone maps.

Is it so hard to imagine the State unitizing the services of the FBI labs, if they believed a violation of the Antiquities Act might have occurred?

This is a complicated situation, and we have a minimal number of facts to work with in trying to sort it out.
When I first posted the story about Bob Corbin and the FBI examination of the maps, on the DUSA Website 5 or 6 years ago. It was rejected by the entire LDM community because "THEY" had never heard that story from anybody else but me.

Later.. A number of people asked Bob Corbin if the story was true, and he corroborated it. OK... So then people began to accept it as a true story. But there are still people who want to find a way to sweep it under the rug, and make it go away.
I'm afraid it is here to stay my friend... No matter how much, or how many people’s theories it causes problems for.

Best,

Jim

 

[Jim Hatt]

.... No I don't say that Bob Corbin is a liar, in fact I believe that he is remembering it very well - but we have only his third-hand overheard remark, and which we have NO idea how they got the "at least 100 years old" and it could have been just a WAG based on seeing the '1847' on them. ....

Corbin's statement is probably reliable hearsay in this instance. The problem is with the FBI's statement. With no documentation, the '100-year' comment is no more reliable than any other whiskey talk. I've known a couple FBI agents in my day, and I can assure you that the agency has as many blowhards on board as any other bureaucracy.

Roy and Springfield,

I highly doubt the FBI Agent's statement to Corbin was just the result of the FBI pulling a date out of their as$es. Remember, the result of the FBIs Opinion was that the AZ Court forced MOEL to donate the Stone maps to a Non-Profit (AL Flagg/AM&MM). If their opinion was based on nothing but "anal conjecture" (pulling a date out of their as$), that would have left the court's decision to be overturned and the FBI to be sued in a Civil Court. In this action, the Court forced the owners of what had been private property for twenty years to GIVE/DONATE the stones. Mitchel/MOEL did not donate them as part of any tax deal as was previously thought.

If your OPINION is going to be the cause of someone losing their private property that they consider to be VERY valuable, you had better have your ducks in a row, and a VERY GOOD basis for forming your OPINION!


Best-Mike

Mike,

I am beginning to think that all of the stone map non-believers are just taking the easy way out, and writing off the possibility of the maps being authentic so they can sleep at night.

Joe would like them to be verified as fakes; because that is the only reasonable explanation he can come up with, for his failure to find any gold or treasure using his solution to them. (never yielding to the thought that his solution could be wrong)

Other people would like for them to be verified as fakes; so they do not have to lay awake at night wondering what they might lead to?

Still other people would like to see the verified as fakes; so they do not have to go to all he trouble and expense of going out into the mountains, and trying to solve them, if they should weaken and start believe in them.

When my first solution to the maps didn’t produce and gold or treasure; I dismissed it and went back to the dawning board to start over, and form another one.

When I laid awake at night wondering what they might lead to; I formed a plan to try to find out.

When I became a believer in them; I accepted the trouble and expense I knew it was going to take to start unveiling the secrets I believed they held.

"Can't" never did nothin'! But people should never underestimate the power of the old "I can do" attitude!

Best,

Jim

 

[cactusjumper]

I would be interested in seeing the FBI's report on the dating of the Stone Maps. Right now, I don't believe any such documentation exists. If it was used in a court decision, as you believe, that report would be available. The court ruling would also be a matter of documented record, not hearsay.

Joe,

You (and Springfield) appear to be overlooking the fact that the case never went to trial.

The weight of the FBI's "opinion" was used as leverage against Mitchell and the others, to get them to settle without a formal trial, and avoid the possibility of being prosecuted for violation of the Antiquities Act.

It resulted in a Judge simply issuing an order that the stones being turned over to the Flagg Foundation. That is probably the only documentation about the matter that ever existed.

More details can be found at: http://www.desertusa.com/mb3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=345&p=13704&hilit=Corbin#p13704

Below is some of the information I presented in that discussion:

Another misconception is that Mitchell donated the stones to the Flagg Foundation for a tax write off. According to a conversation I had with Bob Corbin, that donation resulted from something more similar to a plea bargain.

ie: Although not word for word. This is basically what Bob told me....
A dispute arose between Mitchell and people that had invested in his efforts to solve where the maps lead to. When all efforts failed to find the treasure, one of the main investors wanted SOMETHING to show for the money they had invested in the project, and demanded that Mitchell give them the stone maps in return for their investment.

Mitchell refused, and a legal dispute was filed with the State Attorney's Office where Bob Corbin was a Deputy Attorney. The stones were eventually confiscated, when someone in that office began to look at them as possibly being covered by the Antiquities Act because of where Mitchell claimed that Tumlinson had found them. (On Government land). The FBI was asked to examine the stones to determine if they were old enough to be covered by the Antiquities Act, giving the Government the right to claim ownership to them, ending the legal dispute over ownership.

The conclusion reached by the FBI was that (in their opinion) they were at least 100 years old (Back in the 1960's when the evaluation was made). Since this was only an OPINION and not a proven FACT the State Attorney's Office was weary of confiscating the stones under the Antiquities Act, because they were unsure if the FBI's OPINION would hold up in court if it came to that. Mitchell was facing the possibility of being prosecuted for violation of the Antiquities Act.

The State was faced with coming up with more evidence than just the FBI's “opinion” about the age of the stones, and was perusing that avenue in order to move in that direction, when everyone agreed that it would be simpler to just donate the stones to a non-profit organization, and avoid a lengthy and expensive court trial for both sides.

Mitchell may, or may not have received a tax deduction for the donation. In either case, that would not be relevant to the authenticity of the stone maps.

The bottom line is... Yes Mitchell donated the maps to the Flagg Foundation, but it was done under duress, to avoid the possibility of a lengthy court trial, and legal fees to defend himself against possible charges of violation of the Antiquities Act.

Since it was actually Tumlinson that was "supposed" to have found them and perhaps removed them illegally, the State's case would have been difficult to prove against Mitchell, but he was in possession of them, and therefore considered accountable.

It was a big mess with a number of possible outcomes in the end, and a lot of legal expenses on both sides if it went to trial. It should be easy for anyone to see why in the end, everyone agreed to the idea of donating the stones to the Flagg Foundation and avoiding litigation.

It is unfortunate for all of us that trial never took place. It would have included a lot of testimony made under oath, about who, what, when and where the stone maps were found, and the history about them from that point on, and prevented most of the speculation, and false information being circulated today.

Jim Hatt

Sometimes things are not as simple as they seem, without the full knowledge of the circumstances at the time.


Best,

Jim

Jim,

"Joe would like them to be verified as fakes; because that is the only reasonable explanation he can come up with, for his failure to find any gold or treasure using his solution to them. (never yielding to the thought that his solution could be wrong)"

Your ability to opine as to what I think, is no better than your memories of what Bob Corbin told you.

I have mentioned many times that I would welcome the Stone Maps being authenticated by any means possible, including your efforts to test the glue. Believe I have voiced that opinion more than once.

Quite trying to drag me into your little dream world. Quit posting your OPINION of what I have succeeded or failed to do. You don't have the remotest idea. If you have some kind of factual evidence that is germane to the conversation, by all means present it. Give the rest of us just the smallest amount of the respect that you constantly demand for yourself here.

The posts I have quoted above are full of errors, half truths and untruths. You have misquoted Bob Corbin and put words into his mouth, same as you have done to me and others here.

Now I may loose someone I considered a friend by posting this bland reply to you, but I have to follow my own trail. I will not let you malign me, or my friends without speaking up. If you want that kind of audience, you will need to go back the DesertUSA, where you always have the final say......as well as the right to censor.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI JOE mi buddy: I am the proverbial bad penny, you can't get rid of me, sides I owe you a cuppa java, with cream and sugar yet.

Don Jose de La Mancha .

 

[cactusjumper]

Don Jose,

You are mistaken.....again. I always look forward to your posts, even if you are not being kind to me.

Take care,

Joe

 

[gollum]

Roy and Springfield,

I highly doubt the FBI Agent's statement to Corbin was just the result of the FBI pulling a date out of their as$es. Remember, the result of the FBIs Opinion was that the AZ Court forced MOEL to donate the Stone maps to a Non-Profit (AL Flagg/AM&MM). If their opinion was based on nothing but "anal conjecture" (pulling a date out of their as$), that would have left the court's decision to be overturned and the FBI to be sued in a Civil Court. In this action, the Court forced the owners of what had been private property for twenty years to GIVE/DONATE the stones. Mitchel/MOEL did not donate them as part of any tax deal as was previously thought.

If your OPINION is going to be the cause of someone losing their private property that they consider to be VERY valuable, you had better have your ducks in a row, and a VERY GOOD basis for forming your OPINION!

Best-Mike

I find the FBI's involvement curious from the start. As I read the land status maps covering the alleged 'discovery point' for the stones, it seems to be either on State Land (most probable) or on private land (less probable). In either case, the Feds did not have jurisdiction based on the Antiquities Act of 1906 , which specifies that possible archaeological/historical sites lying on Federal Land shall be controlled by the head of the appropriate Federal Agency (FS, NPS, BLM, et al). Since the Arizona Antiquities Act of 1960 post-dates the alleged 1949 discovery of the stones, it seems to me that if the Tumlinson story is accurate (big if), the 'artifacts' were the legal possession of their owners and were not subject to antiquities legislation of any kind. Of course, you can see thousands of examples of this sort of situation - just drive into any old rancher's property and check out the numerous manos, metates, stone tools, pottery, etc. in his possession. All legal if he can demonstrate where and when they were recovered.

Bottom line: the cops may have hard-balled Mitchell in the court proceedings, but it sounds like they were blowing smoke. This makes the 'FBI opinion' even more suspect to me. These stones may well be 'old', but isn't it time to lay the 'FBI opinion' to rest as 'proof'?

Of course, as Jim said above, "It does not really matter to me who found them, where they were found, or who lied, and who told the truth. My main interest lies in the information that is inscribed on them, and how to use it."

HAHAHAHA Springfield,

I have to say something that Roy seems to take offense to, but is appropriate. I laid out all the details of the court case already. Since this is your first offense ( ), I'll let you off with a warning. HAHAHA I will lay it out for you again here:

Two of MOEL's Investors named Boyd and Ruth Cochrane got themselves named as principles in MOEL in about 1965. Eventually, they believed that their investments earned them ownership of the Stone Maps. Problem was, Mitchell bought the stones with his own money, and they never were property of MOEL. They were Mitchell's Private Property. This was the downfall of MOEL. The Cochranes begat a lot of bad feelings and internal conflict. They wanted to own the Stone Maps. Eventually, all the fighting led to the Cochranes suing MOEL, Mitchell (and Kriewald I think) for ownership of the stones.

It would have been quite evident that both sides of the suit believed in the authenticity of the stones (why sue over a worthless hoax?). The Judge would have seen that as well. If the stones would have been held as evidence pending the outcome of the suit, they would simply have sat in an evidence locker in the Attorney General's or the State Police Evidence Room. The ONLY reason for the FBI to have had possession of the stones would have been to have them evaluated as to their age.

See, when the Judge realized that both sides believed in the stones' authenticity, and he also likely heard the story of how they were found, he would have immediately thought of the Az. Antiquities Act. If the local or state authorities had the stones tested for age, and as a result, confiscated them, both the Cochranes and Mitchell would have screamed that the state had plotted to steal the stones from them.The logical thing to do (if you are a smart judge) would be to have an unbiased third party have the stones evaluated, which would cover his a$$. That was obviously done, and thanks to Bob Corbin, we know the outcome of whatever testing the FBI had done, and as a result of that unbiased third party evaluation, the court ordered both parties to donate the stones to a non-profit organization. If the stones were of modern origin, the court would have had absolutely no right nor reason to order any such donation. The ONLY way the court could have legally made such an order would be if the stones fell under the Antiquities Act.

Hope that clears things up for ya.

Best-Mike

 

[gollum]

RDT (Does that stand for Really Dirty Tramp? ),

Don't you dare stop writing about Tayopa. I, for one, believe you are on it.

Jim,

One thing about opening up something like Tayopa is that every bad guy in Mexico would be waiting for their shot at stealing whatever they could. Every bandito, drug cartel, dirty cop, dirty politician, and grifter would be lined up waiting for a piece. Without a small army to back you up, I wouldn't even try it.

Best-Mike

 

[Oroblanco]

Gollum wrote

Roy and Springfield,

I highly doubt the FBI Agent's statement to Corbin was just the result of the FBI pulling a date out of their as$es. Remember, the result of the FBIs Opinion was that the AZ Court forced MOEL to donate the Stone maps to a Non-Profit (AL Flagg/AM&MM). If their opinion was based on nothing but "anal conjecture" (pulling a date out of their as$), that would have left the court's decision to be overturned and the FBI to be sued in a Civil Court. In this action, the Court forced the owners of what had been private property for twenty years to GIVE/DONATE the stones. Mitchel/MOEL did not donate them as part of any tax deal as was previously thought.

If your OPINION is going to be the cause of someone losing their private property that they consider to be VERY valuable, you had better have your ducks in a row, and a VERY GOOD basis for forming your OPINION!

...and Cactusjumper replied

I would be interested in seeing the FBI's report on the dating of the Stone Maps. Right now, I don't believe any such documentation exists. If it was used in a court decision, as you believe, that report would be available. The court ruling would also be a matter of documented record, not hearsay.

I don't know why you are accepting that hearsay as "evidence" of truth, as it only suggests that the story may be true.

Joe has already said what I would have here; if there were such a court order, it is a matter of public record (documented and available with a little effort) as much of the MOEL fiasco is; yet no such order has been found. Likewise for the FBI "tests" - no documentation. An FOI request to ye olde FBI might prove helpful for this, but only if such tests really were done.
As our mutual amigo Cactusjumper said so succinctly, "In other words, my friend, show me the documentation." - ditto.

This will-o-the-wisp FBI 'testing' must not have been quite so dramatically unassailable either; to quote our mutual amigo Jim Hatt;

The conclusion reached by the FBI was that (in their opinion) they were at least 100 years old (Back in the 1960's when the evaluation was made). Since this was only an OPINION and not a proven FACT the State Attorney's Office was weary of confiscating the stones under the Antiquities Act, because they were unsure if the FBI's OPINION would hold up in court if it came to that. Mitchell was facing the possibility of being prosecuted for violation of the Antiquities Act.

That "at least 100 years old" OPINION was shaky even when they said it, certainly not solid enough to stand up in court. This is what you point to as solid proof that the stones engravings are at least 160 years old now Mike? Jim's glue test is looking better and better but probably won't settle the case absolutely. The real test is will they lead you to treasure anyway, though I suppose they might have some historic and/or artistic value even if they don't.

Why do these Peralta stones always seem to lead to antagonistic exchanges? I think it is fairly certain that none of US made them, and even though I am not convinced they are real, I don't want to discourage anyone who wants to pursue them, heck I really do wish you all luck.

I liked the poetry; though the usual reaction when I do visit a saloon is somewhat different, probably because I must have a close resemblance to the Lord because someone is sure to say, "Jee-zus Christ, you here again!" Pretty good poems, I hope you won't mind if I save a copy?

Gollum also wrote <replying to our mutual amigo Jim>

Jim,

One thing about opening up something like Tayopa is that every bad guy in Mexico would be waiting for their shot at stealing whatever they could. Every bandito, drug cartel, dirty cop, dirty politician, and grifter would be lined up waiting for a piece. Without a small army to back you up, I wouldn't even try it.

Sheesh Mike now I am starting to wonder just why our amigo Don Jose' invited some of us to visit the mines after all? Extra guns? Cannon fodder? Maybe I should look into the prices of bullet-proof coveralls?

Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

In repeating something that someone told you, it is no great shakes to change one word, which can change the meaning of the entire exchange. For instance, if the FBI agent said I believe the stones are at least 100 years old, that is somewhat different than saying the FBI believes the stones are at least 100 years old.

The fact that the FBI Agent may have worked at the lab in DC, is somewhat differrent than saying the FBI had the stones and tested them there. It is more than possible that the one agent looked at them and offered his opinion based on what he observed.

Having the direct quote from the person involved, in this case Bob Corbin, makes all the difference in the world. Something may have gotten lost in transcribing what Greg read or heard, and it only takes one word.

I believe most of what is being quoted here, was made up after the fact, possibly due to one or two words being changed. In other words, people adding their own interpretation of events, based on an erroneous quote. The assumptions that have been made here are pure speculation, without a shred of documentation or evidence to support them.

This is just my opinion, based on what I believe to be the true facts.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Nugget Hunter Smith]

Just signed in to TreasureNet today and have read all the post!
AS I have always said "I ain't from Missouri but show me!"
Every year someone wanders into my store claiming they have found the LD mine or the Peralta Mines but not one of them has any proof. They all have good ideas but still no proof.
I wish you all the luck in the world in your efforts!

Do I believe the Stones are real, yes, but until they are used to locate the mines, there will always be disagreements.

Should not the discussion on the Tayopa Mine be on a different post, as it is not in the Superstitions?

 

[gollum]

Joe,

In theory I agree with your statement, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut:

Once again....we have a story as told to Greg Davis by the man directly involved (Bob Corbin). We get "may haves" and "coulda beens" from the peanut gallery. HAHAHA As meticulous as Greg is, I would not bet against his having transcribed Bob Corbin's Story ABSOLUTELY CORRECTLY to the last word.

My impression of his meticulousness was sealed when I was at his house a couple of years ago. I knew he was proud of the completeness of his VERY extensive library. I owned a VERY obscure book that I had ever seen anywhere before. When I asked him if he had a copy, he thought he did. He started looking through his file cards and cabinets. I thought I had him when he looked like he was about to have a anxiety attack, but then, he led me to the guest room and the "other" bookcase. POW! He pulled it off the shelf and held it up. I was thoroughly impressed. HAHAHA

Best-Mike

 

[gollum]

Should not the discussion on the Tayopa Mine be on a different post, as it is not in the Superstitions?

Hey Smith,

Not according to Blindbowman! Wasn't it him, or was it Kemm that said Tayopa was in the Supers? HAHAHA

Best-Mike

 

[Oroblanco]

Greetings Joe,
I understand and agree, and used our friends own words only to make a point - that some of us are putting a lot of weight behind Corbin's recollection, which leads to 'filling in the details' with speculation etc. It is not a big deal to me, just wondering if that is the 'nugget' (tidbit) that helped to tip the scales of belief for some folks. I am sure that some hold that I put too much weight on the opinions of the four experts who took a negative view of the stone maps. Maybe I do?

I do also wonder if we would have such discussions, if we were discussing/debating any other treasure map? The Thoen Stone can get a little debate (nothing like we see on the Peralta Stones) but of course that isn't really a treasure map at all; of the 60+ treasure maps in the public view at thelostdutchmangoldmine.com, I would bet that not one will raise such a fuss! Why is that? If you and/or I were to say, 'I don't believe that Pedro Peralta map is the real thing', I highly doubt that even one person would say anything to try to change our view. These stone maps are unique in this respect. I wonder if it is something that is truly worth losing friendships over - after all, <real> friends will stick by you come what may, these stone maps could pay off, or could just fail to produce.

Gollum wrote

Quote from: Nugget Hunter Smith on Today at 10:36:24 PM
Should not the discussion on the Tayopa Mine be on a different post, as it is not in the Superstitions?

Hey Smith,

Not according to Blindbowman! Wasn't it him, or was it Kemm that said Tayopa was in the Supers? HAHAHA

Best-Mike

Would you believe, that there is an old newspaper article that says Tayopa is in the Superstitions? A woman captured by Indians is shown the mine, and then escapes to tell the story, the usual sort of Indian-gold tale but pretty odd that it had that particular name. It may even be online somewhere by now.

I am going to drop out here, and wish you all good luck, I hope you find the treasures that you seek. <I will try to follow the discussion and will respond if asked, don't wish to be rude.>
Oroblanco

 

[Cubfan64]

Joe,

In theory I agree with your statement, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut:

Once again....we have a story as told to Greg Davis by the man directly involved (Bob Corbin). We get "may haves" and "coulda beens" from the peanut gallery. HAHAHA As meticulous as Greg is, I would not bet against his having transcribed Bob Corbin's Story ABSOLUTELY CORRECTLY to the last word.

My impression of his meticulousness was sealed when I was at his house a couple of years ago. I knew he was proud of the completeness of his VERY extensive library. I owned a VERY obscure book that I had ever seen anywhere before. When I asked him if he had a copy, he thought he did. He started looking through his file cards and cabinets. I thought I had him when he looked like he was about to have a anxiety attack, but then, he led me to the guest room and the "other" bookcase. POW! He pulled it off the shelf and held it up. I was thoroughly impressed. HAHAHA

Best-Mike

Mike - Greg is AMAZING in his archiving of information. It's a daunting task, but one he's obviously devoted his entire life to!

Sometimes I wonder if his house is BUILT over the LDM

 

[Cubfan64]

I have a novel idea...

How about someone(s) contact Bob Corbin and ask him directly exactly what he recalls from that conversation with the FBI, and ask him if he would mind having his comment posted on a LDM forum?

I know more than a couple of you know how to get ahold of him.

Would be very nice to put this whole FBI discussion to rest once and for all and Bob's alive to tell us what he remembers.