The Peralta Stones

Real de Tayopa said:
REAVIS REAVIS REAVIS REAVIS REAVIS

I find it interesting that while so much importance is given to his opinion regarding the Govt Agent's opinion, none is given to HIS on REAVIS ???

Don Jose de La Mancha
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Don Jose,

I have studied the Reavis history a bit, and there is nothing in it that would suggest that he had anything to do with the Stone Maps. To the contrary, it took someone(s) who had spent years in the mountains to created those maps.

Just my opinion.

Take care,

Joe
 

Joe,

I like Bob's reply just fine. That is twice now he has confirmed what he told me that the FBI told him. The rest is a simple misunderstanding, that could have been due to the way the information was presented to him. As I said... Now that Bob is following the discussion. We should find out if there are any further misunderstandings that need to be resolved.

As far as Tom is concerned.. I have never badgered him over any of his "opinions". He stated some (what I considered to be) incorrect "facts" about the stone maps in one of his weekly articles, and I damn sure cornered him on them, but that is old history now.

For Joe and for the record..The following words of Bobs, are the only ones I have ever put quotes around:

"It was approximately in the late 1960's, I believe, that I was at the U.S. Attorneys office in Phoenix, when one of the Deputy U.S. Attorneys told me that an FBI agent from the FBI laboratory in Washington DC was in their office. Apparently, the Phoenix office had obtained the stone maps to have them analyzed by the FBI laboratory to see if they were recent fakes. He asked if I would like to speak with the agent since I was interested in the Lost Dutchman Mine and I said I would. I spoke with the agent and asked him what they had found in analyzing the stone maps. He told me that they believed the maps were at least a hundred years old. To my recollection that's all he said about the maps.

Bob Corbin."

Every other reference ever made to Bob Corbin was just identify him as the individual that had the conversation with the FBI. I did not put them in quotes because as I stated in every case. To much time had passed since he conversation took place, and I did not recall the exact words. The direct quote above comes from a letter written by Bob himself. Maybe if you sent him the information with the quotes, and not my recap of the whole story, his reply would be much different Joe.

With that... I accept your invitation to move on.

Best,

Jim
 

cactusjumper said:
Real de Tayopa said:
REAVIS REAVIS REAVIS REAVIS REAVIS

I find it interesting that while so much importance is given to his opinion regarding the Govt Agent's opinion, none is given to HIS on REAVIS ???

Don Jose de La Mancha
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Don Jose,

I have studied the Reavis history a bit, and there is nothing in it that would suggest that he had anything to do with the Stone Maps. To the contrary, it took someone(s) who had spent years in the mountains to created those maps.

Just my opinion.

Take care,

Joe
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De Grazia's bio doesn't seem to include much time in the Superstitions prior to 1949.
That is one of my reasons for rejection of that hypothesis.
My decision to find and follow my own "trail" was based on a number of faults obvious to me in many of the other theories,especially when those that promote those same theories use language such as this....

"So far only one person in this conversation has provided any tangible evidence in support of the Stone Maps being maps of anything.......anywhere. That would be me. Everyone else is whistling in the dark."

The Blind Bowman and John Kemm made similar boasts,belittling the efforts of all others in an attempt to remain front and center.

Just my opinion:SH.
 

Wayne,

Nothing wrong with that opinion at all, as far as I'm concerned. On occasion, I do tend to overstate my case, especially when being pushed and ridiculed. I respect your opinion about me, and believe you came to it through my own statements.

As for Ted DeGrazia.......I don't believe that the horse/priest map has anything to do with the trail maps. To be sure, they are tied to the Superstition Mountains, but I think they were created some time after the fact.

It's just my opinion base on the many things I have seen and heard over the years. Your opinion is just as good as mine, and maybe better. Did you say who you think made the maps? My memory don't work so good anymore.

Take care,

Joe
 

Joe:
A bad memory is sometimes only very selective memory.
A bad theory can be based on poor memory of many things,on misunderstandings and on relative lack of experience.It can be based as well on exclusion of all evidence that will not fit the preconception that may have initiated the investigation.
Such as your belief that the H/P Stone, as well as the other stones, have no relationship to the Map Stones.
I believe otherwise.
To refresh your memory re:my theory,or perhaps to make it clear...I do believe, based on all of the evidence that I have collected to date,pro and con,that the persons responsible for the manufacture of the stone maps...all of them...were Jesuit.Initially,I had started with the DeGrazia theory that I had read in various published opinions and accounts.It did not take long,though,to begin to note the confusing and conflicting evidence that was being presented.The same seemed to apply to the "Peralta" connection theories.
What really turned the page for me however,was what I found out there,in sequence.Although I have posted many photos,I haven't finished my search.I have no personal photographs of gold or silver bullion,or religious artifacts to show that are related to these stones .Those may come later IMHO.

Hope that answers your question.
How about you answer mine....about the "Cursum Perficio" map.


Regards:SH.
 

Wayne,

It would seem, after careful examination of my maps, you have found them to be on a par with the evidence that Bowman and Kemm presented here. I have no problem with your equating them to be all of the same value. In truth, many others have come to the same conclusion.

On the other hand, you will forgive me if I try to save myself from further embarrassment and decline to offer an opinion on any other maps.

Take care,

Joe
 

Joe:
A misunderstanding that illustrates well what I have said about memory and research.
I did not compare your maps with the instant/distant solutions touted by BB or Kemm.
You based your theory on what you chose to work with.
I compared only the tactical methodology of your defence.

Regards:Wayne
 

Wayne,

That may be, but I did not have a preconceived notion of where to place the Stone Maps. They led me to the trail, and finally to the heart.
That heart is in the exact location that I placed in on the topo over 30 years ago.....without ever being in that canyon. In all of that time, I have always said that the maps could be a fraud, but accurate as to location. They are accurate.

I did choose to work with the Stone Maps, but you will need to explain what the [tactical methodology of your "defence"] means.

If you want to take the Stone Crosses and the Latin Heart and add them into the mix, that's fine with me. I considered the Jan and Ray Tucker comments and gave them due consideration.

Can't imagine how I became such a loon, but we are always the last to see ourselves as others see us. On the other hand, I have had a wonderful time chasing the Stone Maps in a place I came to love. Can't ask for more than that.

Take care,

Joe
 

Wayne,

I have to agree. Their "tactical methodology" was certainly designed to destroy that site. Instead of all the cryptic comments, maybe you should just speak your mind. Looks like its been festering a long time now. Better a quick cut to end it. It can't be any worse than what I experienced back then.

One thing about me, you never had to guess about where I stood. It was always face to face. Couldn't stand those creeps who hid behind an anonymous identity while spewing their lies. I imagine you feel the same way. Maybe it's time to kill off Jan again. :dontknow:

Take care,

Joe
 

Joe:
I have made myself as clear on this issue as I am willing to,and as nicely as possible.
I will let your last post be the end of it.

On another related topic,what about the "knife".I know that you believe that "the point rests on Parker Pass".

So...for anyone who wishes to comment:

To me it appears to be a "dagger",a knife that cuts both ways.
A search of the term "Jesuit Dagger" brings forth a controversy similar to that of "Jesuit Treasure".
Why would a dagger appear on a map? what could it mean?

Regards:SH.
 

cactusjumper said:
Wayne,

It would seem, after careful examination of my maps, you have found them to be on a par with the evidence that Bowman and Kemm presented here. I have no problem with your equating them to be all of the same value. In truth, many others have come to the same conclusion.

On the other hand, you will forgive me if I try to save myself from further embarrassment and decline to offer an opinion on any other maps.

Take care,

Joe
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ya that bowman was crazy , he walked away just before he gave away the real meaning of the stones . he link them directly to the 1362 Templar rune stone... my translation of the stones was right on the money !

and by the way i never stopped hunting for clue in this case .. i was building a state of the art custom Asus computer system . whats another $7,000 ,,about $43 ,000. now invested

i can handle thousand of pages of data a day ...with 4.57 Ghz quad ....3 gb of high speed graphics and a 42 inch ,even a blindbowman could see ....lol

the stones are real !
 

Wayne,

In this particular case, I believe you are correct. This dagger does have a double cut, so to speak.
It points out two important landmarks, and both point out trails to the final location. In the center of the heart lies the triangle and the circle in a circle.

You are not meant to find the heart, but you are meant to follow the trail leading to it. It will, in fact take you to that heart, but you are meant to see the triangle from that location. You will have no idea that you are standing next to the heart.

As you explore the triangle, looking for the circle in a circle, you will see the heart. Once you find the circle in a circle, you will be standing on the final location. It is marked by a mineral outcropping.

Just guessing, probably nothing there at all. :dontknow:

Take care,

Joe
 

cactusjumper said:
Wayne,

In this particular case, I believe you are correct. This dagger does have a double cut, so to speak.
It points out two important landmarks, and both point out trails to the final location. In the center of the heart lies the triangle and the circle in a circle.

You are not meant to find the heart, but you are meant to follow the trail leading to it. It will, in fact take you to that heart, but you are meant to see the triangle from that location. You will have no idea that you are standing next to the heart.

As you explore the triangle, looking for the circle in a circle, you will see the heart. Once you find the circle in a circle, you will be standing on the final location. It is marked by a mineral outcropping.

Just guessing, probably nothing there at all. :dontknow:

Take care,

Joe
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CJ long time no see , ..
did see the test resaults for the hair on the track i found , it was not a real mt lion .. fur . it was man made .. hand tye native american ...guess when your close ,you are real close ..

here is question

do think the 6 stone drawing on the back of the heart stone could be rune stones ?
 

<edit> A very BELATED WELCOME TO TREASURENET Always Lost! :thumbsup: Saw that it said you were a "new" member, and only a couple of posts, so assumed you were new - just checked and found out you have been with us for three years, but I still wish you a welcome and hope you will post more.

Thank you to Joe (Cactusjumper) for sharing that EM from Bob Corbin, and I hope you can pass along our (collective) thanks for the clarification to Mr Corbin.
Oroblanco
 

Oroblanco said:
<edit> A very BELATED WELCOME TO TREASURENET Always Lost! :thumbsup: Saw that it said you were a "new" member, and only a couple of posts, so assumed you were new - just checked and found out you have been with us for three years, but I still wish you a welcome and hope you will post more.

Thank you to Joe (Cactusjumper) for sharing that EM from Bob Corbin, and I hope you can pass along our (collective) thanks for the clarification to Mr Corbin.
Oroblanco
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sorry OR i can not get my blindbowman name to work ..lol

yes, i got some new toys and i have been starting to hunt data and try my newest toy on this case ..

no question about what so ever here , the stones are real and everyone can think what they want .. its ok with me . i got a few things i am working on right now and its raining hard up here ...

yes i believe the stones are link to the 1362 Templar rune stone .. one of the 6 stones drawn on the back of the heart stone ..each stone marks where on of the Templar leaders fell . the dagger is not a dagger at all they just could not fit a full sword on the map , the circle in a circle stands for the handle of the Templar sword they use it to mark where a battle takes place ...you do know there is another templar stone with a heart on it..?
 

Well then let me change my wording, to welcome BACK amigo! It is good to see you posting again - there have been a few interesting theories that got talked over and we (Beth & I at least) were wondering what you would have said about them.

<Always Lost wrote>
yes i believe the stones are link to the 1362 Templar rune stone
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That is an interesting idea, just caught a program on the History channel this evening on the Templars in America, linking to the Holy Grail no less. Runes hmm? Food for thought!

Oroblanco
 

cactusjumper said:
Wayne,

In this particular case, I believe you are correct. This dagger does have a double cut, so to speak.
It points out two important landmarks, and both point out trails to the final location. In the center of the heart lies the triangle and the circle in a circle.

You are not meant to find the heart, but you are meant to follow the trail leading to it. It will, in fact take you to that heart, but you are meant to see the triangle from that location. You will have no idea that you are standing next to the heart.

As you explore the triangle, looking for the circle in a circle, you will see the heart. Once you find the circle in a circle, you will be standing on the final location. It is marked by a mineral outcropping.

Just guessing, probably nothing there at all. :dontknow:

Take care,

Joe
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After all that walking,nothing but a "mineral outcropping" ? :dontknow:
I'll keep lookin,thanks. :laughing7:

always lost said:
Oroblanco said:
<edit> A very BELATED WELCOME TO TREASURENET Always Lost! :thumbsup: Saw that it said you were a "new" member, and only a couple of posts, so assumed you were new - just checked and found out you have been with us for three years, but I still wish you a welcome and hope you will post more.

Thank you to Joe (Cactusjumper) for sharing that EM from Bob Corbin, and I hope you can pass along our (collective) thanks for the clarification to Mr Corbin.
Oroblanco
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sorry OR i can not get my blindbowman name to work ..lol

yes, i got some new toys and i have been starting to hunt data and try my newest toy on this case ..

no question about what so ever here , the stones are real and everyone can think what they want .. its ok with me . i got a few things i am working on right now and its raining hard up here ...

yes i believe the stones are link to the 1362 Templar rune stone .. one of the 6 stones drawn on the back of the heart stone ..each stone marks where on of the Templar leaders fell . the dagger is not a dagger at all they just could not fit a full sword on the map , the circle in a circle stands for the handle of the Templar sword they use it to mark where a battle takes place ...you do know there is another templar stone with a heart on it..?
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Always Lost.....you,or someone like you, seem to appear each time the Stone Maps topic strays into Jesuit territory.Reminds me of the Lernaean Hydra.
Three years with no prior posts? ...... three years on the bench is a long time. :laughing9:



Regards:SH.
 

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