Hola amigos,
Well, I was trying to "bow out" politely, but now have to reply. We are getting a good rain soaking so find myself with' time to play' during the day, though it means the work is piling up for later. Oh well no rest for the wicked as they say. This is pretty durned long so I have to ask your indulgence again - thank you in advance.
Jim Hatt wrote
Quote from: Oroblanco on Today at 12:06:30 AM
Gee, Jim that sounds sort of like you are politely saying "Shut up, go away and get a life!"
Roy ~ Oroblanco
Geez Roy,
Now WHO's putting words into WHO's mouth?
I would never say that to you (In those words anyway)
What I am trying to tell you is that from where you sit, and with the information you have to work with, and the limited time you have to invest. You are just chasing your own tail,
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Additionally... much of the known truth about the maps, is and has been, jealously guarded and protected from the public for a long time. You just do not have the necessary information, and background on the subject of the stone maps, to try to tackle the job of understanding them.
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I have been working with these maps, and chasing down their history, right here on the ground, where that history was made, for the last 20+ years, and "I" still do not have everything I need to solve them!!!!!!!!!!!!! All I have that might put me a step or two ahead of anyone else, is my time in the field, on the ground that the maps apply to, and some "inside" information that I have a lot of faith in the accuracy of. There is indisputable evidence out there in the field, but I worked very hard for that knowledge, and I intend to jealously guard it as tightly as everyone else guards their hard earned information.
I am not going to post that information on the internet, or anywhere else, just to convince the non-believers that the maps are authentic. I sometimes post things that encourage believers to go on believing, and challenge things that are obviously B.S. but that's all. The stone maps are an Enigma and will remain so until someone solves them. Until that time comes there are no "Experts" on the subject. All there are... are people who stand out above the rest, because of their hard work and dedication to researching the history, and following the trail in the field.
From my point of view... Mike McChesney is a "GIANT" in the area of research about the stone maps. He has constantly amazed me for years, with what he has been able to learn from his distant location, that I have not learned, from being right here where that history was made.
He has paid his dues many times over, and deserves the respect that should come with that effort expended! For you or anyone else deny him that respect, based on nothing but your "Gut Feelings", whim of the moment, or something that you pulled off some other website, really chaps my A$$.
I am close enough to the subject, and have been long enough, to recognize when someone has done their homework, and when they have not.
Maybe I am telling you to go away and shut-up. (jn so many words). But if you have any respect at all, for the time and effort I also have invested into the stone maps, you will give my words some serious thought. Pick a project that you have the knowledge and tools to complete, and leave the stone maps to the people that are prepared to work on them.
Jim, I consider Mike a friend and I do have great respect for him; he and I have gone "round and round" on a number of occasions, and about as many times find ourselves on the same side. That said, Mike can be very rude and disrespectful in his words, like the instance mentioned previously ("GO BACK AND RE-READ") or sarcasm (HAHAHA) and I don't appreciate such disrespect. I try to be respectful (I slip too sometimes) and generally think of our group here as
EQUALS, not with some "masters" and the rest "beginners". It seems that some of us don't view our little group that way.
Beth has accumulated several boxes of materials on the Peralta Stones, and I have spent many evenings going over it. However as noted by others here - two people can look at the same evidence or text and arrive at two polar opposite conclusions. Some things have never turned up like the court order for the stones to be turned over to the museum, so I still have doubt that is really true - court orders are public domain records and several letters and a couple of phone calls failed to turn up any such order. That doesn't PROVE there was no court order, however until I see it, I now have to assume it never existed.
Thank you for your kindly advice on how to hunt for treasures, your approach is the "put all your chips on one card" method which many prefer; there are other ways, like throwing your resources at one after another, which has proven successful for me. It has also taken us literally to the "ends of the continent" and as beautiful and haunting as the Superstitions are, I would not trade the time spent in the Yukon, Alaska, CA, Montana, Wyoming, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, NC, SC, VA, GA, Ontario, British Columbia, Alberta (where technically it was not legal as a non-resident, but having not found any gold I could say I was just 'playin') and so on for an equivalent number of days in the Superstitions. I have learned
something on each and every 'expedition' if I were to term it that way, though that would imply vast resources and a large number of people etc when a LOT was done with only what could be carried on your back and only a tarp for a shelter. I rather hate trying to tell a life story because <to me> it sounds like
bragging and I am sure that no one would believe it anyway. We lost a great number of photos (non-digital type) in a home fire some years ago, so much of my "proof" that "
heck I wuz dare" went up in smoke. It doesn't matter much to me whether anyone believes my "story" or what Beth & I have found anyway - it is no skin off my nose.
All that is totally OFF-TOPIC anyway and my apologies for going off on that tangent. Jim, your obvious desire to convince everyone that the Peralta Stones are the genuine article may prove to be an uphill battle amigo. You say that you have "the goods" which will prove the case, but cannot or will not make them public; ergo, you cannot expect that people are going to be swayed withOUT seeing that information you hold. I am NOT trying to "push" you into posting it all, I know how hard it is to get information or at least how hard it used to be, today things are improved vastly over thirty years ago when you literally had to travel to the various archives, historical societies, surviving relatives etc to have any hope of locating it, and while letters and phone calls did work in many cases; often you would get the run-around by people who thought they personally owned the public records. I would venture to guess that every single member here has a fair amount of info that they are NOT going to share, ever and I don't ask them to usually. Just pointing out that based on what is public, it is NOT enough to convince everyone (including me) the Peralta Stones are the 'real McCoy' so don't expect that everyone is going to just "shut up and go away".
If you want to consider me a 'rank amateur' full of "disinformation" that is your prerequisite, I don't expect you to give respect just on my say-so. You have published a very good case for the Peralta stones, but I have yet to see those counter-opinions from PHDs to those from Desert Archaeology Inc and I don't generally take what a PHD says lightly. They can be plain wrong, or working from incomplete information etc (there are history subjects I disagree with our PHDs very strongly, but with evidence to support this contention) so if you would care to share those counter-opinions from PHDs on the validity of the Peralta Stones, I would love to see them and it would help sway the 'BS meter' from "false" to at least "neutral". Otherwise, "intimidation" tactics <as in verbal, "
who are you anyway" and similar> are not going to get the desired result. Besides, a very GOOD person can have very BAD info, and a very BAD person can possess very GOOD info. As the old prospectors used to say -
" You can't judge a mine or a horse by the fellow who is selling it to you. "
We all have different standards for what it takes to convince us that a treasure story (or map) is true. I think many of us here have disagreed with others on various topics, and we can disagree and still be friends. It is not going to change anyone's life based on a disagreement over a treasure story, and we have many common interests. It is good to keep a skeptical mind when approaching any treasure story, for there ARE BS stories in the mix, sometimes deliberate, sometimes innocently done. In general I don't need to see stacks of gold bars to convince me, however with
a treasure map <and that is
ANY treasure map> it takes more than an ore sample or a carved rock to make the case for me.
Somehiker wrote
Hi Jim:
Having had a closeup look at the stone maps in the museum,I too noticed that they are not flat enough to have been "machined" as claimed by these "experts".
Are those stones in the museum the ORIGINALS or are they COPIES? It does make a difference for many purposes, from matching up the type and origin site of the rock, to whether it has been machined, drilled with a power tool etc. Thank you in advance.
Good luck and good hunting amigos, I hope you all find the treasures that you seek.
Oroblanco
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