The Peralta Stones

[Cubfan64]

If that's not enough to even raise your attention a little then nothing will.

I'm afriad you'll have to put me in the "nothing will" category then as I see nothing more than a game of "what do you see in that cloud?" being played.

Best of luck to you though.

 

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[cactusjumper]

David,

Yes, by all means Good Luck!

Let us know how it all turns out for you.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Quinan Bear]

I knew you would see it if I showed you the real spot. But the question is, do you believe that I Mightbe right ?
You have My word, that I'm not here to do anything but show you the secrets of the stones. I am gonna stand strong on what I believe and will keep trying to get your attention.

If just one of you would listen to me, take the time to see what I see, you might enjoy the adventure and be a part of the discovery. Think about it. Lets say that you do listen and you do go up to that spot. You still get to do your camping and hiking and if I am right, then you will have one of the best trips you ever had in these mountains, not only that, you will know then that I was right and if I'm right about this one, then I could be right about the rest. Like I said before, there are over a dozen mines so you will have a lot of excitement find them all.

Are you really gonna dismiss my claims just because I have never been there ? even when I show you the solution to read the Priest stone ? To me, that is like judging a book by it's cover.

 

[BILL96]

Quinn,
When do you think the stones were carved and by whom? any ideas on how or where they were found?

Bill

 

[Quinan Bear]

Bill;
I could not be certain of who made the stones but I would assume that It was a member of the Peralta Family and that they were made in 1847. they were found on the side of the highway by a man that took a walk off from the highway to take photos and stumbled upon some of them, the rest i'm not sure.

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

Here is the basic problem with your proposal. No one wants to be your bird-dog based on the questionable evidence you are presenting here. You may think it's airtight and we will all see what you are seeing, but you may have noticed that just ain't so.

Everyone here has imagination......in spades. That's why they are treasure hunters. If we could find a way to imagine the Stone Maps as you have drawn them on your pictures, we would all do that easily. We are all experts in picking out images in the clouds, and even more so on the landscape.

Not only have I been working the Stone Maps for over 30 years on Topographic maps, aerial USGS photographs, Google and Delorme map programs, my own photographs taken from hours of flying a helicopter over the range, but I have walked the Stone Map Trails many times.

Beyond that, over the years, I have probably been sent 20 theories, with maps and photographs of other people's conclusions. Most of them wanted my opinions, or my joining up with them. The "evidence" you have shown us here is at the bottom of that food chain. In other words, not so good.

My guess is that you will have to do your own searching. Bird-dogging is a very old ploy that has been going on for many years in the Superstitions. Some people have even hired others to do the work. The usual method is to have a good story, or like you a dream, and convince someone to do the "proving" for you.

Good Luck!

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Old Dog]

Everyone here has imagination......in spades. That's why they are treasure hunters. If we could find a way to imagine the Stone Maps as you have drawn them on your pictures, we would all do that easily. We are all experts in picking out images in the clouds, and even more so on the landscape.

Good Luck!

Joe Ribaudo

Boy, that's the truth, I think a landscape for a newbie sign hunter, ...
is like trying to find that one special piece of candy in a candy store.

Stare at something long enough and you can see what you want.

 

[Quinan Bear]

Say what you will, I stand firm. I will also say that you are wrong, in suggesting that noboby will help me with what little evidence i have given. So I guess it don't matter what you say although I do take your words in concideration but it still won't change my mind. Like I said before, I used more then just topo maps and Google to come to my conclusion.

Don't believe what I say, No biggy. I have done the best to show you something totally different then what you have seen, just because you don't believe in it, don't mean that others share your thoughts.

I will still be here to answer any and all questions that others may have, concerning the Priest Stone map. the other stones will not be shown to you by me until the documentations are done, after that i will tell all.
Have a great day and happy hunting.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good afternoon My Friend Bear: Do you have any idea just how nearly impossible it is to find a closed up mine in that, or similar areas, especially one that was deliberately closed up 100's of years ago? You can be using the closed Portal as a back rest and still not know it is there.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

Thanks for letting us all off the hook.....so to speak. I was thinking that you would be dropping the one big clue on us any day now. Nothing worse than unfulfilled expectations.

I, for one, will be happy to wait until you are ready to further enlighten us.

Glad you are planning on letting us all know how it turns out for you.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Quinan Bear]

Yes, I do realise that these mines have been sealed up and hid from others, this is why I had to use USGS maps to help me.
If I am right and someone does go there, there is other ways to find the mine.
If there is a mine, then there is a mineral vein there too. So all you would need to do once there is look for mineral bearing rock that should be in the area, you may need to travel around a bit to see the vein. This vein can be very narrow or quite wide. Look for the fault zones that are there, they could help you in finding the vein as well as the rocks that are around, This is the time that you need to understand how gold is carried up to the surface. Knowledge of minerals and how they formed will be an asset.
If you go there and can't find the mine or the vein, Just take pics of the surrounding area and close-ups of the different rock types in the area and send them to me and I will help point you to the mine or at least the vein. Remember, veins can be waffer thin or hundreds of meters wide, so you really need to know what to look for but like I said, I would gladly help you to find the mine/vein. Most of the time, when someone wanted to cover a place over to hide it, they would blast a ledge or overhang that would be close enough to cover over, therefore i would think that there would be rocks in that area that have fresh breaks in them, signs like sharp edges or not the same color as the other rocks around them. This place shouldn't be So hard to locate because the fault lines are quite visible.

 

[Quinan Bear]

I promise to share my findings with all of you, once the proper forms are signed.
Even though you guys have doubts and like to TRY and get me going. I am not here to put anyone down or discredit them, I look at everything that is posted on the site about the stones and LDM. Some things I don't agree with but others I do agree with, but you don't see me trying to discredit them. I just don't reply to the ones that I believe to be wrong.
I was always told " If you don't have anything good to say about something then don't say anything".
I don't judge anyone, I sometimes offer my opinion but I don't try to say anything that may anger them. I am a kind hearted man, Hence the reason for me asking for a partner that I never met to help me in this adventure and why all I asked for was to have my name added to the list that will be made once this discovery becomes public. Sure A little something from the treasure would be nice to have for my collection to show people a piece from my find, but it is not neccessary.
I am not trying to step on other people's toes, I just asked for some help and I am getting some, so none of you need to worry about me trying to find that partner. All you can do now, is ask the questions that you may have and to just sit back and wait for the results to come.

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

[If there is a mine, then there is a mineral vein there too. So all you would need to do once there is look for mineral bearing rock that should be in the area, you may need to travel around a bit to see the vein. This vein can be very narrow or quite wide. Look for the fault zones that are there, they could help you in finding the vein as well as the rocks that are around, This is the time that you need to understand how gold is carried up to the surface. Knowledge of minerals and how they formed will be an asset.
If you go there and can't find the mine or the vein, Just take pics of the surrounding area and close-ups of the different rock types in the area and send them to me and I will help point you to the mine or at least the vein. Remember, veins can be waffer thin or hundreds of meters wide, so you really need to know what to look for but like I said, I would gladly help you to find the mine/vein. Most of the time, when someone wanted to cover a place over to hide it, they would blast a ledge or overhang that would be close enough to cover over, therefore i would think that there would be rocks in that area that have fresh breaks in them, signs like sharp edges or not the same color as the other rocks around them. This place shouldn't be So hard to locate because the fault lines are quite visible.0

By gosh and by golly! I believe you are on to something there. You sure are a caution boy. I never even heard of such things, let alone thought of em.

On the other hand, surely some of the smarter boys who have been stumbling around in the Superstitions over the years came close to that kind of thinking.

I have gotten a few pictures.....by accident though. I will show a few of them here:

Now there's a large mineral outcropping in the above picture. With your skills, I reckon you will have no problem telling us where it's located.

Does your system of searching tell you what you are looking at in the above picture?

That's all for now, but I do have a few more. See anything that stands out? I know these are all a little bit closer than what you are getting, but it's the best I could do.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Old Dog]

Pretty country Joe,
Most rough country is though.
wouldn't want to get out there and get in a bad position without a partner.

 

[BenThereDoneThat]

While on the trail this week I found my dutch hunting partner, tucked under some rocks and rather pissy for a few moments (pic) but he got over it then showed me where all the good stuff was located.

 

[cactusjumper]

Thom,

Many thanks. When I was young and stupid I often went in with my dog Juno for a partner. You can't imagine the adventures that dog shared with me over the years. Believe a mountain lion got him out in Colorado.

I have seen magnificent country in my lifetime, but nothing I have seen drew me back like the Supe's.

Take care,

Joe

 

[cactusjumper]

Tim,

Nice pictures! I have seen many such "partners" in those mountains, usually I just kept moving along and don't remember ever getting a picture, other than of the one I had to kill in camp once.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

DON JOSE WROTE: "Oro prefers"

Ah yes, I am SO unreasonable, since I "demand" to see a photo of an ore sample, from a lost gold mine which has been claimed to have been found. I do not demand to see stacks of gold bars, which I will definitely ask for as proof of having found a Treasure Vault, just a small sample of gold ore that an expert can compare with known specimens from Waltz. Silly me, for being SO danged un-reasonable!


Santa Fe NM, do you know what those particular mines, marked on (old) USGS topo maps, which you repeatedly post here ARE? I will give you a hint - one of them was a SILICA mine, not gold, silver, copper, mercury, or even iron. There are many different types of mines amigo, just the fact there are "mines" marked on a USGS topo does not indicate that they were gold or silver. Not trying to discourage you, just curious if you know what those mines actually are, and thank you in advance,

Signed your always unreasonable and demanding,
Oroblanco

 

[BenThereDoneThat]

Tim,

Nice pictures! I have seen many such "partners" in those mountains, usually I just kept moving along and don't remember ever getting a picture, other than of the one I had to kill in camp once.

Take care,

Joe

Hi Joe
I had no choice but to stop as he was blocking my climb and the only way up so before i moved him I took a pic,
The snakes are a little annoying but what i found next (pics) made me wish i had eyeballs in the back of my head

 

[Old Dog]

Tim,
I would imagine cat scat in a fresh condition would make me look a little closer and a little more often.