The Peralta Stones

[Javaone]

Interesting,isn't it Jerry,that the "P" of PELIGROZA is the last of the full size letters in that particular inscription.
"A horse! a horse! my kingdom for a horse!" said the King.....but I don't think that he meant Perseus.
Pegasus may have been of more use.

Regards:SH.

Ohh.. Don't get me wrong SH - I think the "Horse" and the "Priest/Witch/Perseus" map have a HUGE connection...

I believe the "Horse" and the "Perseus" map should be the first concidered - before getting into the "Trail" maps.

Hey! LDM, DLM - Gollum can do it^.. Why can't I?

 

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[somehiker]

Jerry:
Yes,"HUGE" is an apt description.Larger than life in fact.Odd that so few seem to understand what it all means.
For example,when the first european showed up riding one,maybe even had the horse do a trick or two,the natives might have thought that the Gods had finally arrived.Certainly worked for Cortez,now didn't it.

Regards:SH.

BTW....here is something that I did up a while back.

 

[Blindbowman]

i found the same ths letters near the mine .. something you may want to think about .. i will not say why .. but just think about it .. what do you get when you mix priest and children ...?

if the priest were trying to teach the Indian children faith may be this is what got them massacred in the first place ...dirty old priest even way back when ...

 

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HIO BB: You posted -->dirty old priest even way back when ...
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[Blindbowman]

HIO BB: You posted -->dirty old priest even way back when ...
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And You admit to being a shaman ? hmmmmm snicker

faith above greed ...true spirit comes from within ,, the will of ones being is theirs , to create and teach them self s as they will to be .. we all stand alone at the gates .. stand now, stand strong ..

 

[Javaone]

BTW....here is something that I did up a while back.

OK... It's a stretch.

 

[somehiker]

You've missed a bit of it Jerry,but like many of the almost imperceptible markings on each face of every stone,that one may have been deliberate.It is quite similar to a "watermark" in an old Jesuit handbook,I believe.Just another cowinkydinky,I guess.

Regards:SH.

 

[Javaone]

Hey Gollum,

Not a great photo, but it really looks like an owl standing guard.




It's about 3-4ft tall.

 

[gollum]

Hey Gollum,

Not a great photo, but it really looks like an owl standing guard.





It's about 3-4ft tall.

I can see it, but without a better pic would have to class it as a maybe.

Best-Mike

 

[Javaone]

Hey Joe - Have you come to any conclusion as to what this might mean?



If you don't mind saying...

Thanks in advance
Jerry

 

[Javaone]

Hey Joe - Have you come to any conclusion as to what this might mean?



If you don't mind saying...

Thanks in advance
Jerry

I would like to think that it’s a “Check & Balance” sort of speak. When you stand on that spot and look in the direction it is pointing you will understand what it means - and that you are on the right track… IMHO

 

[cactusjumper]

Jerry,

If you stand on that spot, you may want to watch that first step. You will be on Weaver's Needle.

You may notice that the triangle points directly at a canyon, that turns into a ravine as it nears the Needle. In that ravine, you will see an X. One of the other X's on the Stone Maps is a sealed mine on the ridge that seperates West and East Boulder Canyons.

If I were still going into the mountains I would search that ravine.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Javaone]

To All…

Theoretically speaking:

Let’s say the Jesuits did mine the Supes for several years. The priest(s) would probably have gained a considerable amount of knowledge of them (the Supes) – Old played out mines, mines still valuable, nooks and crannies, caverns and so on.

Then; the demise of the Priests begins. They take their worldly possessions (GOLD) and cache it in one of the areas they know would be hard to find by any robbers.

Enter the Peraltas; Favors are done between the Jesuit priests and the Peraltas – so the Priests divulge the whereabouts of one or some of the still valuable mines.

Point is – They divulged a couple of valuable mines not the whereabouts of their cache.

Soooo… Do the “Stones” lead to the mines or ??

Jerry

 

[cactusjumper]

Paul,

Yes I have spoken to Tom many times about my map. I gave him one some time ago. As he believes the Stone Maps are a hoax, the fact that they match the terrain does not change his opinion. I told him everything I believed about who created the maps, and we are still friends.

I have many pictures of the terrain, both from the main mountain and from the air. Topographic maps remain the best evidence for the accuracy of the maps. If the maps are really from another era, then the high points in the mountains were obviously where they were drawn from.

As I recall Tom's map, from here in our store, he places the "artist" on the north end of Bluff Spring Mountain. That, by the way, is a place that Ted DeGrazia was intimately familiar with. He made the ride off the north end of Bluff Spring with John Dahlmann. You can find the story in "A Tiny Bit of God's Creation". There are two copies of the softcover book here: http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?b...d=a+tiny+bit+of+gods+creation&hs.x=10&hs.y=16

Three copies can be found here:
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&tn=a+tiny+bit+of+gods+creation&x=55&y=6

Take care,

Joe

 

[Cubfan64]

Thanks Joe - I have a copy of that book and read it awhile ago - that reminds me to read it again sometime .

I understand what you say about using a topographic map to match the trail stones, but honestly I just have a difficult time with it - it's just too much like picking and choosing which topographical features I want to use to make it match the stone trail.

If there is a point on Superstition Mt. that seems to be a good fit for where the "artist" may have been, it seems as though one should be able to stand on that spot and follow the outlines of the topography from that angle to match the trail map stones. I'll talk to you about it next month at the Rendezvous and hopefully I can get up on Superstition Mountain next spring for a day or two.

Too much to do, too little time to do it in

 

[Javaone]

Jerry,

If you stand on that spot, you may want to watch that first step. You will be on Weaver's Needle.

You may notice that the triangle points directly at a canyon, that turns into a ravine as it nears the Needle. In that ravine, you will see an X. One of the other X's on the Stone Maps is a sealed mine on the ridge that seperates West and East Boulder Canyons.

If I were still going into the mountains I would search that ravine.

Take care,

Joe

Thanks Joe for your reply.

Another question for you; when it comes to the “Stones” and the info on them – How many coowinkydinkys (besides gold) would it take, to at least sway your opinion of their path/area.

Jerry

 

[cactusjumper]

Jerry,

As I have said many times, if someone can show me something that fits the Stone Maps that is better than my maps, I am open to it. If you have something better, I would love to see it. Some very good minds have placed the Stone Maps in other places.

My conclusions are based on simple map reading abilities. No secret codes, alignment of stars, Latin words or the Calalus story. I look at a map, and read it as it is. If someone can shoehorn some unknown factor in there and move the location to........Chicago, more power to them.

I started looking at the Stone Maps around forty or so years ago. At that time, I noticed the similarity of the wavy line at the bottom of the first trail map to the outline of the main mountain from the south.

Using that as a premise, and it was simply a guess, I started trying to match the bent arrow and the marked/dotted trail to a topographic map. It matched perfectly. The canyons that are shown on the Stone Maps were very familiar to me. It was child's play for me to transfer the Stone Maps to a topo.

The marks farthest to the right side/east, are on Bluff Spring Mountain. The dot, is the highest point on that mountain. You can prove the accuracy of my map by tracing the canyons and matching them to the canyons and junctions that are carved on the Stone Maps.

For instance, if you follow the direction of the triangle, which points to the X, you will see a line that comes from the north and goes directly to the X and the point of the triangle. That line is East Boulder Canyon. At the exact point on the Stone Maps where the line stops, the trail in East Boulder turns west and climbs out of the bottom of the canyon. I have been on that trail many times, so I recognized what had happened on the Stone Maps. People who have not walked that trail, and often, will not see the connection.

While you may be able to show me any number of "coowinkydinkys", and many people have, I will always return to the progression and correct placement of the physical landmarks that are shown on the Stone Maps and are matched on the actual terrain of the Superstitions.

Take out a clean topo and start drawing the Stone Maps with the bent arrow that takes you up and over the main mountain. Start that arrow in the bottom of Heiroglyphic Canyon. Follow the ravine from the top of the ridgeline as it travels down into West Boulder. Every turn on the Stone Maps is on the topo. Notice how the bottom of the canyon (West Boulder) matches the Stone Maps exactly.

Assume I am correct and place a dot on the highest point on the south end of Bluff Spring Mountain.
Place another dot on the northern peak that creates Tim's Saddle. Place another dot on the farthest hump to the east on the north end of Black Top Mountain.

Have your topo in front of you and a copy of the Stone Maps with one map on top of the other, start of the trail on the bottom. There are places where the map will become disjointed, much as it would if you were roaming through the mountains.

Place the tip of the dagger on Parker Pass. At that point, follow the trails on the topo. Using the Stone Maps as a guide, mark the topo where it follows the maps. Notice where some lines break away from the trail that continues toward the top of the heart. Find that same trail on the topo and highlight it. Notice the "W" above the trail. Look at the elevation lines on your topo at that location.

Everything on that upper map is leading you to the center of this:

Now that's one hell of a coincidence! This is the curved trail that climbs out of West Boulder (from the top of the 1) and drops into the center of the heart in Little Boulder Canyon:

If that's not enough for anyone reading this, I will be happy to do exactly what I just suggested you do......at the Rendezvous. Tried to fit voodoo into that last line, but it just didn't work.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Javaone]

Thanks Joe - you have given me a ton to think on and a lot of work to do... Obviously, it would take a ton of coowinkydinks in other words.

Jerry

 

[cactusjumper]

Jerry,

Even though I use "coincidence" often when describing my maps, it's just tongue in cheek with a wink. There are no coincidences in my maps. They are just maps.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[Blindbowman]

joe: As I have said many times, if someone can show me something that fits the Stone Maps that is better than my maps, I am open to it. If you have something better, I would love to see it. Some very good minds have placed the Stone Maps in other places.

BB:and what if someone dose step up and tell you something that proves you are wrong , with all that time put in confenceing your self and others your correct ... will you even except it if your not ...i think thats the real question ...


what if someone walks up and told you on the stones there is a set order in code and that set order matches where each piece of the over all dirrection started and why is explain by what and where they are ...

it would out right make your theory wrong and for good logical reason..



mapping the stones to a location is somewhat easy in a area like the supers .. its matching the scales of distence and bearing that takes work ,,

i can do that with a compass and divider set , i dont know if the rest of you will ever under stand the full code behind stones ,,but i guess it only takes one key to open the lock ,no matter how big the door is ...