The Peralta Stones

[FEMF]

FEMF,

I put Lamar on "IGNORE" a while back because I found myself having to repeat the same proofs over and over and over. At first, he added a lot to the conversations and kept us on our toes. He then degenerated into acting offended at some inconsequential remark so he wouldn't have to address the subject at hand when he was proven wrong. Further debate with him became very frustrating and did nothing to further any knowledge.

I guess you must have some inside knowledge that proves the heart insert is older than the trail stones. Have you ever seen the Stone Maps in person? Yesterday was my third time. First time hands on (see pic). The heart is made from a different type of stone than the trail maps. I can't say that it is any older or younger.

The symbol on the handle of the dagger is not necessarily an "A". Please compare the symbol to every other "A" on the maps. It actually more closely resembles another symbol somewhere else on the maps.

Best-Mike

Hello Mike
Yes I've seen them three times at M.M. Museum, the first time was with Mason Cogan for free, the next time it was $50.00, the last time was with Mikael Davis, a San Carlos medicine man and it cost me $75.00.
I'm at work right now and I don't have those maps on this computer, but I'll check when I get home.
Mike we have found another horse shoe with the Cross in a Heart?
FEMF
P.S. As I've told you before Mike,"ALL THE WAY" "ALL THE TIME" old school!

Dear FEMF;
Regarding your horseshoes, they are interesting from a purely historical point of view, my friend. First, the complete shoe was manufactured sometime after 1835 due to the way it was manufactured. It does not seem to have been hand formed on an anvil from iron bar stock, rather it seems to be a mass produced shoe which are produced by specialized machinery.

This may be evidenced by the remnants of the groove located in the zones where the nail heads are seated onto the shoe. The grooves are placed there in order to keep the nail heads from wearing down, thus throwing the shoe after a short period of time. The manufacture of the nail head grooves (also called a Fuller groove) is a very simple one when using forming dies, yet they are extremely difficult to produce using hand methods, as the iron tends to expand directionally, thus making the shoe wider and thinner. Also, I seem to be able to discern a forging mark which seems to be a broken heart.

The narrow shoe body plus the wear on the outside portion of the shoe indicates that the shoe was worn by a small animal and used as a beast of burden. Typical shoes normally wear evenly along the front of the toe clip, yet this particular shoe is worn along the outside, which indicates the animal in question typically carried large weights, thus altering the balance of it's print.

The half shoe is older and it looks to be a completely hand made one. The animal was much bigger and it seems to have been from a smaller draft style horse. As such, it would have most probably been used as a beast of burden as well, for attempting to ride a draft animal can be painfully uncomfortable, due to the heavy plodding steps of the breed.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Hello Lamar
I'm pressed for time right now, but I will respond.
Thank you.
FEMF

Hello Lamar
If your observations are corract, then the same people used the same range over an extended period of time. Ranch?? maybe. Hears a silver in lay spur, when I first found it, I thought Spanish Silver Spur! It's a Star Brand and was manufactured in New Jersey from 1848 to the 1970's, sold through mail order and was the prime supplier for the Union Army.
Thanks for the information Lamar.
FEMF

 

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[Blindbowman]

The half shoe is older and it looks to be a completely hand made one. The animal was much bigger and it seems to have been from a smaller draft style horse.

that would depend on who made the shoe and when .. OX were often shewed in the same way and i do remember a time when a legend stated Ox and wooden cards ...

Dear always lost;
The half shoe in the photo by FEMF is most definitely not an ox shoe, my friend, as the shape of an ox-en's hoof is completely different from the hoof of a horse or mule, therefore the shape of the shoes are completely different as well. Please review the attached photo of half of a ox's shoe.
Your friend;
LAMAR

thank you lamar for correcting my lack of under standing about oxen shoes ,.the reason i said anything was because of this time line .

California Trail was the name given to several routes used by settlers traveling to California in the nineteenth century. Several immigrant parties, setting out from towns along the Missouri River, attempted to reach California in the 1840s, after branching south off the Oregon Trail. Some of the early immigrant routes followed the Humboldt River, while the Stephens-Murphy party crossed the Sierra westward to the Truckee River. By 1846 the United States had acquired California in the war with Mexico, and large numbers of wagon trains entered the territory, the most famous being the ill-fated Donner Party.

 

[lamar]

FEMF,

I put Lamar on "IGNORE" a while back because I found myself having to repeat the same proofs over and over and over. At first, he added a lot to the conversations and kept us on our toes. He then degenerated into acting offended at some inconsequential remark so he wouldn't have to address the subject at hand when he was proven wrong. Further debate with him became very frustrating and did nothing to further any knowledge.

I guess you must have some inside knowledge that proves the heart insert is older than the trail stones. Have you ever seen the Stone Maps in person? Yesterday was my third time. First time hands on (see pic). The heart is made from a different type of stone than the trail maps. I can't say that it is any older or younger.

The symbol on the handle of the dagger is not necessarily an "A". Please compare the symbol to every other "A" on the maps. It actually more closely resembles another symbol somewhere else on the maps.

Best-Mike

Hello Mike
Yes I've seen them three times at M.M. Museum, the first time was with Mason Cogan for free, the next time it was $50.00, the last time was with Mikael Davis, a San Carlos medicine man and it cost me $75.00.
I'm at work right now and I don't have those maps on this computer, but I'll check when I get home.
Mike we have found another horse shoe with the Cross in a Heart?
FEMF
P.S. As I've told you before Mike,"ALL THE WAY" "ALL THE TIME" old school!

Dear FEMF;
Regarding your horseshoes, they are interesting from a purely historical point of view, my friend. First, the complete shoe was manufactured sometime after 1835 due to the way it was manufactured. It does not seem to have been hand formed on an anvil from iron bar stock, rather it seems to be a mass produced shoe which are produced by specialized machinery.

This may be evidenced by the remnants of the groove located in the zones where the nail heads are seated onto the shoe. The grooves are placed there in order to keep the nail heads from wearing down, thus throwing the shoe after a short period of time. The manufacture of the nail head grooves (also called a Fuller groove) is a very simple one when using forming dies, yet they are extremely difficult to produce using hand methods, as the iron tends to expand directionally, thus making the shoe wider and thinner. Also, I seem to be able to discern a forging mark which seems to be a broken heart.

The narrow shoe body plus the wear on the outside portion of the shoe indicates that the shoe was worn by a small animal and used as a beast of burden. Typical shoes normally wear evenly along the front of the toe clip, yet this particular shoe is worn along the outside, which indicates the animal in question typically carried large weights, thus altering the balance of it's print.

The half shoe is older and it looks to be a completely hand made one. The animal was much bigger and it seems to have been from a smaller draft style horse. As such, it would have most probably been used as a beast of burden as well, for attempting to ride a draft animal can be painfully uncomfortable, due to the heavy plodding steps of the breed.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Hello Lamar
I'm pressed for time right now, but I will respond.
Thank you.
FEMF

Hello Lamar
If your observations are corract, then the same people used the same range over an extended period of time. Ranch?? maybe. Hears a silver in lay spur, when I first found it, I thought Spanish Silver Spur! It's a Star Brand and was manufactured in New Jersey from 1848 to the 1970's, sold through mail order and was the prime supplier for the Union Army.
Thanks for the information Lamar.
FEMF

Dear FEMF;
Yes, my friend I would state that you are detecting on a range that was worked at least from the mid 1800s and possibly much earlier. If you keep detecting, then perhaps you will uncover even older relics as iron was as essential to early ranchers as grass and water. Your spur is a wonderful example of Western Americana and strictly looking at the photo which you've so graciously provided to us, I would say that was manufactured around the turn of last century, perhaps even a bit earlier, such as the later 1870s to the mid 1890s. The clue is lies in the style and manufacture of the rowel.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[lamar]

The half shoe is older and it looks to be a completely hand made one. The animal was much bigger and it seems to have been from a smaller draft style horse.

that would depend on who made the shoe and when .. OX were often shewed in the same way and i do remember a time when a legend stated Ox and wooden cards ...

Dear always lost;
The half shoe in the photo by FEMF is most definitely not an ox shoe, my friend, as the shape of an ox-en's hoof is completely different from the hoof of a horse or mule, therefore the shape of the shoes are completely different as well. Please review the attached photo of half of a ox's shoe.
Your friend;
LAMAR

thank you lamar for correcting my lack of under standing about oxen shoes ,.the reason i said anything was because of this time line .

California Trail was the name given to several routes used by settlers traveling to California in the nineteenth century. Several immigrant parties, setting out from towns along the Missouri River, attempted to reach California in the 1840s, after branching south off the Oregon Trail. Some of the early immigrant routes followed the Humboldt River, while the Stephens-Murphy party crossed the Sierra westward to the Truckee River. By 1846 the United States had acquired California in the war with Mexico, and large numbers of wagon trains entered the territory, the most famous being the ill-fated Donner Party.

Dar always lost;
No thanks are necessary my friend. Also, I do not view it as a *correction* instead I tend to view this forum as a mutually advantageous learning experience for everyone, myself included. In light of this, I am not *correcting* you, rather I am sharing what limited *knowledge* that I have with the rest of the forum. Before long, someone else will share their knowledge and thus I will become more enlightened in the process. It's strictly a give & take proposition my friend, as no one knows everything.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Jim Hatt]

FEMF.

I know the thrill of finding an inlaid spur. I found one that is both silver and gold inlaid.
Notice the shape of the woman's leg and foot (silver inlaid) and her thigh (gold inlaid).
Any higher and they would have needed some Platinum!

I have never been able to trace this one to it's source. The only thing I have been able to find in the way of markings on it, is what appears to be a "7" on the gold inlaid thigh.

Best,

Jim

 

[gollum]

Beth,

Hopefully, this will be all the proof you need regarding how profitable the Stones are. Like I said, I sent email to Ray Grant (a curator at the Arizona Mining and Minerals Museum). Here is his response and my original email:

On Jun 30, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Mike McChesney wrote:
Hey Ray,

If you had to make a guess, how much money would you say the Stone Maps have generated for the museum over the last 41 years? If you can estimate their yearly revenue, that would work as well. The reason for my asking is that someone is telling me "On one trip alone, the stones made over $75,000. (for 2 days)". Do you know of any exhibition in which they generated that kind of money?

Thanks again and Happy Independence Day! -Mike


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Mike,

That is one urban legend. When I came to the Foundation they only had a few thousand dollars in the treasury. I am sure that they never had anything close to $75,000 after years of having shows and other fund raisers. If they made two or three thousand dollars total, I would be surprised. Since I have been active, I think we might have made a thousand dollars. The only money made that I know about was by charging people to take photographs. They might have paid a $100 at one time. We only got a donation or charged $25 in the past few years. Our main use has been to generate publicity for our gem shows by advertising they would be on exhibit.

Ray

Best-Mike

 

[FEMF]

FEMF.

I know the thrill of finding an inlaid spur. I found one that is both silver and gold inlaid.
Notice the shape of the woman's leg and foot (silver inlaid) and her thigh (gold inlaid).
Any higher and they would have needed some Platinum!

I have never been able to trace this one to it's source. The only thing I have been able to find in the way of markings on it, is what appears to be a "7" on the gold inlaid thigh.

Best,

Jim

Hi Jim
That is a very nice find, If they where fish, I'd have to say, You Got the Big One! Gold and still an unknown, nice. But I'm sure you'll agree, Cowboy, the Ladies Leg gives it away, I believe!
FEMF

 

[lamar]

Dear group;
A McChesney *gal-leg* spur from the very early 1900s. Probably made by McChesney Bit & Spur Co. formerly of Gainesville, Tx. Company was sold in 1933 to Nocona Boot Co. A pair in very good condition can fetch 1,000$ or more. Got my Noconas on! Let's rodeoooooo!
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Jim Hatt]

Hi Jim
That is a very nice find, If they where fish, I'd have to say, You Got the Big One! Gold and still an unknown, nice. But I'm sure you'll agree, Cowboy, the Ladies Leg gives it away, I believe!
FEMF

Well FEMF,

Do you think it would be too much of a stretch, to hope it was a Mexican Cowboy?

Best,

Jim

 

[Blindbowman]

Lamar.

My only reason for coming to T-Net, is to dispel wild theories about the stone maps and what is written on them. If you take this as a personal attack on you, so be it. But was not my intention and I have no control over how you perceive things.

If someone (anyone) challenges the authenticity of the stone maps, based on nothing but their knee jerk reaction to words and symbols engraved on them. I remind them of the following:

The only way to “gauge” the validity of any map is to have some parallel information to compare it to.

One way would be to compare it to a proven map of the same area it is suspected of applying to.

Another is to go to the area it is assumed to apply to, and see if it matches the terrain in that area.

Even then… A lot of consideration would have to be given to how detailed, or ambiguous the map maker intended the map to be, and any security factors that may be incorporated into it. Especially if the map was believed to lead to anything of value. Anyone who looks at a treasure map, or a map that leads to a lost mine, and immediately starts forming conclusions based on superficial observations, is not someone whose opinion I would put much faith in.

Judging the validity of any map, by the spelling and grammar used on it, the material it was drawn on, or any subjective opinions, about the meaning of any symbols on it, is ridiculous, no matter who the author might have been, or when it was believed to have been drawn.

Lamar Wrote:

“This is some sort of joke, isn't it? The evidence against the stone maps being carved before the 1940s is pretty much ENDLESS! FOr example:
The style of the lettering
The style of caricatures (figures)
The Bowie knife
The shape of the heart
The position of the brand on the horse
The so-called *Spanish* words used
The grammar
The tools used to carve the stone maps”


You may believe that the reasons stated above are valid reasons for dismissing the validity of the stone maps.
I disagree.

Jim Hatt

i have to agree with Jim ,

as a navigational specialist trained to correcting charts and maps and judge how up to date and accredit a chart fits a given area , .. i will out right tell you all , the stones may have had things added to them but the stones were valid before that stage ..and yes they do point out a place in the supers ... that's not all i can add, but it is what i will add ...

i took over 310 sexton bearing lines and match them 100% to scale ,i have no doubt what so ever the data that was first on the codex was copied to the stones ... you don't have to agree but there is a clue and no one here at this site or any other i have been at has noticed it yet .. one person stated it and did not know what he was saying ...

i guess i am not willing to share beyond this point ..

now i have a classic motor cycle that needs me more then you do ...

 

[lamar]

Lamar.

My only reason for coming to T-Net, is to dispel wild theories about the stone maps and what is written on them. If you take this as a personal attack on you, so be it. But was not my intention and I have no control over how you perceive things.

If someone (anyone) challenges the authenticity of the stone maps, based on nothing but their knee jerk reaction to words and symbols engraved on them. I remind them of the following:

The only way to “gauge” the validity of any map is to have some parallel information to compare it to.

One way would be to compare it to a proven map of the same area it is suspected of applying to.

Another is to go to the area it is assumed to apply to, and see if it matches the terrain in that area.

Even then… A lot of consideration would have to be given to how detailed, or ambiguous the map maker intended the map to be, and any security factors that may be incorporated into it. Especially if the map was believed to lead to anything of value. Anyone who looks at a treasure map, or a map that leads to a lost mine, and immediately starts forming conclusions based on superficial observations, is not someone whose opinion I would put much faith in.

Judging the validity of any map, by the spelling and grammar used on it, the material it was drawn on, or any subjective opinions, about the meaning of any symbols on it, is ridiculous, no matter who the author might have been, or when it was believed to have been drawn.

Lamar Wrote:

“This is some sort of joke, isn't it? The evidence against the stone maps being carved before the 1940s is pretty much ENDLESS! FOr example:
The style of the lettering
The style of caricatures (figures)
The Bowie knife
The shape of the heart
The position of the brand on the horse
The so-called *Spanish* words used
The grammar
The tools used to carve the stone maps”


You may believe that the reasons stated above are valid reasons for dismissing the validity of the stone maps.
I disagree.

Jim Hatt

i have to agree with Jim ,

as a navigational specialist trained to correcting charts and maps and judge how up to date and accredit a chart fits a given area , .. i will out right tell you all , the stones may have had things added to them but the stones were valid before that stage ..and yes they do point out a place in the supers ... that's not all i can add, but it is what i will add ...

i took over 310 sexton bearing lines and match them 100% to scale ,i have no doubt what so ever the data that was first on the codex was copied to the stones ... you don't have to agree but there is a clue and no one here at this site or any other i have been at has noticed it yet .. one person stated it and did not know what he was saying ...

i guess i am not willing to share beyond this point ..

now i have a classic motor cycle that needs me more then you do ...

Dear always lost;
Might I enquire as to how classic the motorcycle in question would be?
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Blindbowman]

Lamar.

My only reason for coming to T-Net, is to dispel wild theories about the stone maps and what is written on them. If you take this as a personal attack on you, so be it. But was not my intention and I have no control over how you perceive things.

If someone (anyone) challenges the authenticity of the stone maps, based on nothing but their knee jerk reaction to words and symbols engraved on them. I remind them of the following:

The only way to “gauge” the validity of any map is to have some parallel information to compare it to.

One way would be to compare it to a proven map of the same area it is suspected of applying to.

Another is to go to the area it is assumed to apply to, and see if it matches the terrain in that area.

Even then… A lot of consideration would have to be given to how detailed, or ambiguous the map maker intended the map to be, and any security factors that may be incorporated into it. Especially if the map was believed to lead to anything of value. Anyone who looks at a treasure map, or a map that leads to a lost mine, and immediately starts forming conclusions based on superficial observations, is not someone whose opinion I would put much faith in.

Judging the validity of any map, by the spelling and grammar used on it, the material it was drawn on, or any subjective opinions, about the meaning of any symbols on it, is ridiculous, no matter who the author might have been, or when it was believed to have been drawn.

Lamar Wrote:

“This is some sort of joke, isn't it? The evidence against the stone maps being carved before the 1940s is pretty much ENDLESS! FOr example:
The style of the lettering
The style of caricatures (figures)
The Bowie knife
The shape of the heart
The position of the brand on the horse
The so-called *Spanish* words used
The grammar
The tools used to carve the stone maps”


You may believe that the reasons stated above are valid reasons for dismissing the validity of the stone maps.
I disagree.

Jim Hatt

i have to agree with Jim ,

as a navigational specialist trained to correcting charts and maps and judge how up to date and accredit a chart fits a given area , .. i will out right tell you all , the stones may have had things added to them but the stones were valid before that stage ..and yes they do point out a place in the supers ... that's not all i can add, but it is what i will add ...

i took over 310 sexton bearing lines and match them 100% to scale ,i have no doubt what so ever the data that was first on the codex was copied to the stones ... you don't have to agree but there is a clue and no one here at this site or any other i have been at has noticed it yet .. one person stated it and did not know what he was saying ...

i guess i am not willing to share beyond this point ..

now i have a classic motor cycle that needs me more then you do ...

Dear always lost;
Might I enquire as to how classic the motorcycle in question would be?
Your friend;
LAMAR

1976 GL 1000 Honda gold wing with 3320 miles ,custom full dress bates 100 side and trunk with 4 color custom paint and design , i just started putting her back together , she was bare metal frame ...i have the main parts back in primer and i am getting ready to paint her .i had 3 years total disabled . every piece ..i added a few things like new brake lines , new cables . new V rated 149 + MPH Bridge-stone Battlax BT-45 tires front & back ,new folk & dust seals ,a little new chrome here and there.. i don't real care what people think of the bike , it rides like a new bike right off the show room floor ..i like going on the back roads .. its a really sweet bike , i have had over 40 bikes in my life and i don't know any one of them i would take over this bike .. the ride is perfect ...that why most people could not under stand why i was disabling the bike for restore ..and the great thing about this bike is i can still hear my self think when i get off it after a long ride ...lol


i also have a 1975 GL 1000in restore ..and a 1976 cb 360 SS

i wish some of these guys and gals ride , maybe we can start a Dutchman mule run ...

 

[Old Dog]

Hey lost,
Mine is a 68-70 sportster straight up.
Gathered the parts for 6 years in milk crates before I got it put together.

Then injured myself to where I can't ride it.
I try from time to time but the right hand just doesn't work.

One of these days it will.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Ladies & Gentlemen: I once had to hire a mule when I had no spurs. That mule knew with no spurs, no problem, he was going to sleep in his own bed that night. So after establishing who was boss with no spurs I cut two forked branches and attached them to my boots. Just a gentle poke in his withers brought him out of his smug nap, and we quickly reestablished who was boss. Word of advice, always carry spurs with you, especially for Harleys.

Don Jose de la Mancha (I exist to LIVE. not live to exist)

 

[Oroblanco]

Lamar wrote

As such, it would have most probably been used as a beast of burden as well, for attempting to ride a draft animal can be painfully uncomfortable, due to the heavy plodding steps of the breed.

Har-rumph! Them's fightin words gringo! I guess that you have never ridden a draft horse younger than the age of glue-factory? I have had a fair number of draft horses, and ridden a fair number that didn't belong to me as well; the only ones that were 'heavy plodding steps' were very old. Great for kids, when they reach that age, but they have pretty much earned their retirement and are not suited for heavy work by that time. I would bet that you would be pleasantly surprised, if you were to ride say a 4 or 5 year old Percheron, and learn to "sit back" just a wee bit more than you would on a quarter horse, the ride is very comfortable indeed. The long legs and long stride very much reduces the "chop" type of ride you get from saddle horses, and standing the trot is like gliding over the ground. No jarring up-down, almost like not touching the earth at all. As the Koran horse prayer goes, "flying without wings".

Of course if you are referring only to riding OXEN, then I would have to agree - the whole action of their walk is different from horses and would likely be a tad uncomfortable.

My apologies for the off-topic post, yes I am very partial to draft horses and prefer them over saddle horses. Interesting discussion on the horseshoes and spurs, but trying to put a date on horseshoes may prove tricky - examples from the Roman times look surprisingly like those in use today.

Please do continue, pardon my rude interruption!
Oroblanco

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Playing "catch-up" again, so, let's see if I can remember everything.

SantaFe

Your interpretation of 8 is incorrect, the 8 laying on its side is the symbol for infinity.

Mike and Jim,

I got the figure from the guy that I know that hosted an event featuring the stones. He was incredulous, saying that he could not believe it.
They made (the people who held the event) much more, of course, but he said they paid $75,000 for having them there. (I did not ask him if
it was based on private showings or general admittance or what).

NOTE: I would find it ridiculous if anyone would reveal their "bottom line" when and where they didn't have to. Especially to a public forum.

I wouldn't - I don't know anyone who would.

But - and this is common knowledge - one of the reasons the state is considering opening it own "5-C's" exhibition place - and incorporating the museum - it would, technically, belong to "investors" with all private monies. (I read that as meaning the state gets money from private investors), rather than the museum making the money.

What else? Oh, yea - my avatar - you should taste my lasagna and pasta vasool!! Talk about Italian!!

I have ridden horses and mules and BIG HORSES, and BIG MULES all my life. If you haven't ridden a draft - you haven't ridden good. (of course, getting bucked off a draft has its moments too, its a LONG way to the ground). But, not all are drafts, either. And mules are not just for riding (in fact, riding a mule takes a little special "knowledge"). There ain't nothing like a mule to pack your bags, they eat any where and anything, and can find water at the drop of a hat, if there is any available. They are smart - smarter than we would like them to be, because they can be a pain in the "ASS" - hmmm, wonder where that expression really came from?

Beth

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

Mrs. Oro Beth WROTE: "Your interpretation of 8 is incorrect, the 8 laying on its side is the symbol for infinity."
My Response: "Eight is seven plus one, and is hence the start of a new order, the beginning of a new era. Eight thus represents regeneration and resurrection. When the flood washed the earth clean, in a type of baptism, """"((((eight people were saved in the ark.))))""""

 

[SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN]

1. Right Knowledge
2. Right Aspiration
3. Right Speech
4. Right Behavior
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Absorption
Astronauts need a 8 htz generator to maintain health. life depends on that frequency humans cannot survive without it. , 8 hertz, very interestingly, is the brainwave frequency

 

[cactusjumper]

It would seem fairly obvious that any increase in DUSA's membership is due to the fact that Paul, Roy and Beth have been given their own forums to run on the site. Wonder how Jim will spin that fact.......and I assume it is a fact. In the short time that I was allowed to post my opinions on his forum, interest and participation also increased.

It isn't that DUSA needs new blood, as it needs less Jim. It would seem that's what it's getting now. As long as that is allowed to continue, he will be posting his intolerant opinions here.

Just keep one thing in mind; With each and every attack post that he makes, he will accuse others of doing exactly what he is doing and has been doing for years. He wants to be the ultimate authority on the Stone Maps, Crosses and Latin Heart. Even people he claims are his friends must not cross his line of "expert" opinions.

Much of this post is just my opinion. The rest is fact.

Take care,

Joe

 

[FEMF]

Hi Jim
That is a very nice find, If they where fish, I'd have to say, You Got the Big One! Gold and still an unknown, nice. But I'm sure you'll agree, Cowboy, the Ladies Leg gives it away, I believe!
FEMF

Well FEMF,

Do you think it would be too much of a stretch, to hope it was a Mexican Cowboy?

Best,

Jim

Hello Jim
You wouldn't ask, if you hadn't already guessed? It looks like an American cowboy spur to me, Ha, Ha.
Still a great find. Have a great day!
FEMF