The Peralta Stones

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Geeze Jim: you posted -->Excuse my ignorance but the name "Lamar" means nothing to me.
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You can't be serious, you never heard of Heddie Lamar? Her nude scene was world renowned.

As for our other Lamar, he is mi buddy, we fight more than husbands and wives, but we also make up too \_ _/ Lamar ?. Actually, except for his being highly loyal and prejudiced in favor of Rome, and bull headed -- is Lamar Oirish?-- he is a nice guy, relax.

Don Jose de La Mancha ( I exist to LIVE, not live to exist)

 

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[Loke]

@Jim Hatt,
It never fails to amaze me how _you_ can say things for which you would ban anyone else for saying the same things at DUSA ...
Are you somewhat special inasmuch as there are other rules pertaining to your posts than anyone else's?

Just wondering ...

 

[Loke]

Loke... or Joe which ever...

You may not have noticed, but this is not DUSA.
When in Rome..........

Best,

Jim

Yup - that's more than obvious!

 

[cactusjumper]

Jim,

I really was glad you came back, because I wanted to ask you if you figured out a way to spin this comment by Bob Corbin:

"In other words Jim is sure putting a lot of words in my mouth which I never said."

That sounds to me like he is saying you are spinning quite a yarn out of a short conversation. Some people do that to make themselves seem more important. Not saying that was your motivation for that elaborate story, but it certainly was detailed with a lot of "facts".

As for what Per said, he is right on the money. On the other hand, you are in your usual position of spinning the uncomfortable truth into a quick change of subject. The only thing that gets lost in that little habit of yours, is the truth. Sort of like Bob's statement to you.

You can't begin to imagine how glad we are that this is not DUSA!

Joe Ribaudo

 

[gollum]

Mike,

The proof, is in the price. Always. Its the exact same thing when they "go out on the road". You just will not be able to convince me of any thing other than the truth. $$$$$$$


Beth

WOW Beth,

You mean that simple math won't convince you that you are mistaken?

Mike

 

[gollum]

I don't get on Tnet like I used to, so, by the time I answer something, or ask a question, there are already 40 answers and discussions that have gone by (though I read all of them).

Back to the stones and Moel. I'm not sure about the relationship between Moel and the stones - from a legal standpoint - Mike.

BUT - as I did with my FOIA request, I asked specifically WHY the Feds would have had the stones, if they were not involved, how they obtained them, a copy of all paperwork the government - both Fed and SEC used to even LOOK at the stones etc.

The issue for me, here, being - we have had no proof that Moel was using the stones. If that is the case, then the Feds should have never had their hands on them. You cannot subpoena the stones as evidence if there is no relation to Mitchell's case.

And, by the way, Mike - why you would fax it (FOIA), I don't know - you can email it, and I have already gotten a letter back and a confirmation number from them.

Beth

HAHAHA Beth,

I have been feeling the exact same way lately. I don't get on here for a day or so, and there is almost a whole new page.

First: SEC Investigation never had anything to do with the Stones. Nothing mentioned in any of their releases.

Second: MOEL did not own the Stones. They were bought privately by Mitchell and were his property. The only thing that is not perfectly clear to me is exactly how much interaction there was between the Stones and MOEL. We know Mitchell tried to solve the Stones the entire time he owned them. While they are not ever mentioned in the MOEL Prospectus or investors info, it would be highly unlikely that ANYBODY that spent any time at all around MOEL would not have known about the Stones. That is the reason Boyd and Ruth Cochrane sued Mitchell for ownership of the Stones.

I faxed the FOIA Request because I was at work, and for some reason, using the computers there, I could not use the SUBMIT BUTTON on the request.

Best-Mike

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Mike,

I know what you are saying. Do you get what my question is? If the stones had absolutely nothing to do with Moel (which, so far, is the case, I agree), then how did anyone (other than Mitchell, et.al) get their hands on them?

For instance - if you were being prosecuted for say - theft - would you give them your drug-making equipment? (not saying you are a thief or a druggie, just a for instance). There is some reason why the Feds had the stones in their hands - period. I doubt that Mitchell said "Oh, by the way, lookie here at what I got" - so someone, somewhere, managed to remove them from the hands of the owner, to look at them. THAT, takes a warrant, and with a warrant, comes........paperwork - a reason to look for something, or to remove something from the private person. That was my extra question to the FEDS. How did the Feds come to have the stones to look at. (remember, this was pre-9/11, they still had to go to a judge and get a warrant to go into someone's possessions and take something) - I want to see that paperwork.

You and I know that we both have the actual Moel paperwork - for the judgement in trading unregistered stock. What we do not have, as of yet, is that dammed investigative report and warrant request. And there has to be one, and on that request, they HAD to have put down a reason for either searching Mitchell and/or removing the stones from his possession. We know they did, because we know they were "returned". You cannot return something you haven't acquired, and they couldn't have acquired the stones to look at without some type of paperwork.

THAT's the real part I am interested in. And so are a lot of other folks. It would/could answer a lot of questions. Either way.

Beth

 

[lamar]

Dear Jim Hatt;
Now I understand why you are being so hostile towards me. I took the liberty of perusing your forum and guess what? I am famous DUSA too and I've yet to make a SINGLE POST on your forum! I do understand that you would not like a person who states the facts and the truth to *muddy the waters* of fantasy and fiction, therefore it is only natural and correct that you despise me.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[lamar]

Dear gollum;
As an aside, I've noticed on the DUSA forum that there is no one to slap you down a notch or two whenever you get too high and mighty, therefore I shall do my part to deflate your balloon a bit and bring you back down to Earth here on T-Net. You mistakenly wrote:
Jesuits used IHS/In Hoc Signo (Through His Name), IHSV/In Hoc Signo Vinces (Victory Through His Name), the Sacred Heart, Chi Ro, three nails (stood both for the Holy Trinity and the Three nails used to secure Christ to the cross), and many others.

Best-Mike
The phrase "In Hoc Signo Vinces" means "By this sign we shall conquer". The first recorded instance of this particular phrase was by Constantine the Great on 20 October A.D. 312 at the battle of Milivian Bridge against Maxentius. According to Constantine's chroniclers, Constantine saw an image of the Chi-Rho in the evening sky. The next morning he had everyone in his army paint the Chi-Rho on their shields and they flew the Chi-Rho device on their war banners. It was at that time that Constantine adopted the phrase "In hoc signo vinces" or "By this sign we shall be victorious".

The Christogram IHS used by the Jesuits does not stand for In Hoc Signo Vinces and it signifies nothing more than the first three letters of Jesus' name. The name Jesus in Greek is Ίησους which when Latinized becomes IHSOVS. The IHS Christogram was adopted by St. Ignatius of Loyola however St. Ignatius did NOT invent the IHS Christogram. It had already been in widespread use for several hundred years prior to St. Ignatius adopting it, however the Jesuits did popularize to the point where it now is.

I do not post on the DUSA forum therefore I cannot hold your hand over there, so please try to be a bit more accurate in the future. Do it for me and do it for the Jesuits.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[Blindbowman]

"Cant we all just get along "


lol

jim i am running some test sequence on the Jesse Capen case .. if you get back in that area make a circle around the parking lot area say out to 200 yards or so .. i put some of the details back together in a logical sequence that defind Jesse return back to the jeep that first night and he dose complete his second trail pattern near little hawk springs the second day .. he is ether on the second trail or a suspect met him in the parking lot ... i believe the suspect is using that parking lot area for a body dump ..

just take the time if your in that area ... ask beth if you want the second trail DR

as for the topic on hand ,, why would it real matter ?

bob is a honest man and would have no real reason to lie about the details as he knows them .. you can go on for years debating sh" that dose not matter at all ..

Lamar . always interesting never the less

 

[FEMF]

Mike,

The proof, is in the price. Always. Its the exact same thing when they "go out on the road". You just will not be able to convince me of any thing other than the truth. $$$$$$$


Beth

WOW Beth,

You mean that simple math won't convince you that you are mistaken?

Mike

Hello Beth
I agree with Mike, I'm talking about over fifteen years!
Lamar
You know I don't agree with you much, you can be arrogant at times and don't always answer questions, But I must thank you for your contributions to this forum, you make all of us think, so Thank You.
FEMF

 

[lamar]

Mike,

The proof, is in the price. Always. Its the exact same thing when they "go out on the road". You just will not be able to convince me of any thing other than the truth. $$$$$$$


Beth

WOW Beth,

You mean that simple math won't convince you that you are mistaken?

Mike

Hello Beth
I agree with Mike, I'm talking about over fifteen years!
Lamar
You know I don't agree with you much, you can be arrogant at times and don't always answer questions, But I must thank you for your contributions to this forum, you make all of us think, so Thank You.
FEMF

Dear FEMF;
In reality I am not arrogant at all my friend. I only act this way because I know that it upsets some people. Others can see right through my little act and grasp the underlying humor almost immediately. I've tried to assume the persona of a slightly absent-minded, arrogant Oxford professor who has little time to waste on dull students, but in reality I am a very humble and modest soldier of Christ.

If I do not answer a question, you may rest assured it is only because I did not read it and it is no way intentional on my part. If you have a question that you would like to ask me, please feel free to do so and if I do not answer it within a day or two then shoot me a PM.
Your friend;
LAMAR

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Mike,

Do you have any idea how many thousands of people have paid to see the stones? Multiply that by 50 or 75 bucks, and that equals one institution makes thousands on one single exhibit.

That----------is the simple math.

Whether someone agrees - is not important. On one trip alone, the stones made over $75,000. (for 2 days) - pretty good work if you can get it.

Beth

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Beth: hmm do you think that we can do that with the Tayopa data? No 'X' of course.

Don Jose de La Mancha (Tropical Tramp)

" I exist to LIVE, not live to exist"

 

[Cubfan64]

...jim i am running some test sequence on the Jesse Capen case .. if you get back in that area make a circle around the parking lot area say out to 200 yards or so .. i put some of the details back together in a logical sequence that defind Jesse return back to the jeep that first night and he dose complete his second trail pattern near little hawk springs the second day .. he is ether on the second trail or a suspect met him in the parking lot ... i believe the suspect is using that parking lot area for a body dump ..

just take the time if your in that area ... ask beth if you want the second trail DR...

Quick word to the wise - I once (and only once) followed this person's directions in an honest effort to look over an area he suggested I investigate. Upon returning and posting photos and describing that I was unable to locate any of the things he tried to point out, I was disappointed when he let me know he had sent me there just as a joke to amuse himself.

I did have a beautiful view of the mountains and an excellent place for an afternoon snack and nap so it certainly wasn't wasted, but I personally wouldn't bother trusting his word again on anything. Just my $0.02

 

[Blindbowman]

Mike,

Do you have any idea how many thousands of people have paid to see the stones? Multiply that by 50 or 75 bucks, and that equals one institution makes thousands on one single exhibit.

That----------is the simple math.

Whether someone agrees - is not important. On one trip alone, the stones made over $75,000. (for 2 days) - pretty good work if you can get it.

Beth

Lamar dose this go for all of us "If you have a question that you would like to ask me"

if so then i have two questions for you . being the "very humble and modest soldier of Christ' ask you these two questions ..

1.) .. . who could make the jars of black death who had those skills back then ...?

2.) ,,,how dose one ever forget Christ ...?

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Jose,

Hope springs eternal!

Beth

 

[Infosponge]

Mrs. Oroblanco,

I must say "I love your avatar of Governor Brewer." It appears to match your spunk, as well as a well known Italian gesture. You go girl!

Sincerely,

Infosponge

 

[Blindbowman]

...jim i am running some test sequence on the Jesse Capen case .. if you get back in that area make a circle around the parking lot area say out to 200 yards or so .. i put some of the details back together in a logical sequence that defind Jesse return back to the jeep that first night and he dose complete his second trail pattern near little hawk springs the second day .. he is ether on the second trail or a suspect met him in the parking lot ... i believe the suspect is using that parking lot area for a body dump ..

just take the time if your in that area ... ask beth if you want the second trail DR...

Quick word to the wise - I once (and only once) followed this person's directions in an honest effort to look over an area he suggested I investigate. Upon returning and posting photos and describing that I was unable to locate any of the things he tried to point out, I was disappointed when he let me know he had sent me there just as a joke to amuse himself.

I did have a beautiful view of the mountains and an excellent place for an afternoon snack and nap so it certainly wasn't wasted, but I personally wouldn't bother trusting his word again on anything. Just my $0.02

and you believe that's why i send you there ,,...

bait is a funny thing , you don't really under stand how much your bait is in danger till its to late . i spent hours trying to avoid a very larger cat and a group of very dangerous tribes people .. maybe if the cat feed on something it would give me the time i needed to see what i wanted to at the time .the cat was easy as you were . you are right it was a beautiful day ...and i was not joking but would i say so if i was ...and if you were in the same conditions as i was you may have done the same thing ..

i am sorry about what took place that day . no one else knew i was in the mts that day ...even them .. they watch you the whole time ,you don't know how very lucky you are sir ...

you did not know what you were looking for and they knew it from the start on the other hand , i am a hawk and they herd me coming . and they knew i knew they were there ..

you thing i did you wrong friend . i may have used you as bait but your alive to say so ...what did you prove ? ask your self that question and when you know the answer come tell me and i will tell you why they did not kill you .. you dont under stand the game do you ... ...

you were on top of the world , but you never reach the top of the mt .. thats why your still here .. there is two sides to a ridge ...!

do you want me to hold your hand next time ?

your own greed took you there not me i only pointed ...

 

[lamar]

Mike,

Do you have any idea how many thousands of people have paid to see the stones? Multiply that by 50 or 75 bucks, and that equals one institution makes thousands on one single exhibit.

That----------is the simple math.

Whether someone agrees - is not important. On one trip alone, the stones made over $75,000. (for 2 days) - pretty good work if you can get it.

Beth

Lamar dose this go for all of us "If you have a question that you would like to ask me"

if so then i have two questions for you . being the "very humble and modest soldier of Christ' ask you these two questions ..

1.) .. . who could make the jars of black death who had those skills back then ...?

2.) ,,,how dose one ever forget Christ ...?

Dar always lost;
I am afraid that I do not understand the questions my friend. Who you be so kind as to enlighten me a bit more?
Your friend;
LAMAR