The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[393stroker]

Let me know, I have the transportation covered.

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

hiker, 393, remember Az law allows concealed carry. I want you back here insulting me.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[sgtfda]

I object your Honour......leading question !

The answer is yes. Wayne

 

[393stroker]

Last week was the first time I carried my gun, a S+W 9mm. I went through some heavy brush, and was climbing over trees and boulders and such and it ripped the rubber part that you put your belt through clean off. I was lucky that I had the dummy cord attatched or I would have lost it. Point: make sure you have a good holster and a dummy cord.

 

[somehiker]

Like your wallet, always be aware it's there.
Works with both cannon and cash. Especially when in tight situations, like when that little blond, brunette or redhead says "Is that a gun in your pocket....."
So far, I've never lost either.

 

[somehiker]

The answer is yes. Wayne

Yes indeed, in fact there have been two modern-day prospectors active in the area.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

For rough work in the super's, surprisingly those floppy cover all Military holsters are best,since they were designed for that.

I use a Border Patrol, quick draw holster for my S&W mod. 28 .357.. However I modified the restraining strap to open on a downward effort, so unlocking and drawing is one smooth movement.

To also be considered is a Berns Martin belt, spring holster, also fast, my preferred concealed position holster.

For the open country such as the Supers, see if you can mount or modfy the front sight to a Keith long range one, see attachment. Ever see one sgt ?

The 9 mm is an extremely accurate load .

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[markmar]

SH

The stone in this photo should marking the border between lower trail map , and upper . There is the beginning of the upper trail map . Go few degrees NE and maybe you will find what you seek .

 

[cactusjumper]

The answer is yes. Wayne

Hi Frank,

Hope you and your's are doing well.

Many of the "artifacts/clues" we find today were created by modern-day Dutch Hunters. A number of those people were, and are, well respected by the Dutch Hunting Community at large. Those "artifacts/clues" are often shown to others in order to increase trust and reputation.

These self created bona fides are prevalent throughout history, and especially prominent in the history of Dutch Hunters. If you read any of the books written by some of these writers of creative fiction, you may find some nagging doubts trying to work their way into your faith in their "confidential" information.

In private conversations you will hear these stories from a number of well respected "old timers", but newcomers will stand by the truthfulness of their "friends". I believe this "confidential" information may have led to the death of some of the young newcomers in their hunt for the LDM.

In a number of cases, the creation of these "artifact/clues", were created in the presence of a witness.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Don Jose de la cactus: that has happened here in reference to La Gloria Pan and Tayopa. Also deliberately rotating or moving such data. sometimes simply dumping it down an arroyo.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[somehiker]

Hi Frank,

Hope you and your's are doing well.

Many of the "artifacts/clues" we find today were created by modern-day Dutch Hunters. A number of those people were, and are, well respected by the Dutch Hunting Community at large. Those "artifacts/clues" are often shown to others in order to increase trust and reputation.

These self created bona fides are prevalent throughout history, and especially prominent in the history of Dutch Hunters. If you read any of the books written by some of these writers of creative fiction, you may find some nagging doubts trying to work their way into your faith in their "confidential" information.

In private conversations you will hear these stories from a number of well respected "old timers", but newcomers will stand by the truthfulness of their "friends". I believe this "confidential" information may have led to the death of some of the young newcomers in their hunt for the LDM.

In a number of cases, the creation of these "artifact/clues", were created in the presence of a witness.

Take care,

Joe

Joe:

I"m sure that Frank, given his professional background and his experience in prospecting and T-hunting, would be able to give his valuable opinion if he should happen to see the small cross or the 1847 boulder. But he has only been in via another trail. But I think he might agree that what he has seen, rather than been shown, has given him an understanding of my own interest in ALL of the Stones. I greatly appreciate both the advice and assistance he and Tim have been able to offer.

Thanks for sharing your suspicions though.
Can you offer anything more (names,dates,location and description) of these "Dutch-hunter" created "artifacts , which you have implied knowledge of ? These important details may save lives in the future.

Regards:Wayne

 

[somehiker]

Don Jose de la cactus: that has happened here in reference to La Gloria Pan and Tayopa. Also deliberately rotating or moving such data. sometimes simply dumping it down an arroyo.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Perhaps those who remove such evidence from a given area are merely destroying what they believe are false artifacts/clues.
In doing so, they would be performing a valuable service, would they not ?
Which may have been the case with Joe's missing monuments.
Personally, I happen to consider it unwise for anyone to fabricate ANY kind of marker in an area they believe pertains to their goal.

 

[Springfield]

Perhaps those who remove such evidence from a given area are merely destroying what they believe are false artifacts/clues.
In doing so, they would be performing a valuable service, would they not ?
Which may have been the case with Joe's missing monuments.
Personally, I happen to consider it unwise for anyone to fabricate ANY kind of marker in an area they believe pertains to their goal.

Some treasure hunters are delusional and are not above creating fraudulent 'clues' to support their beliefs. Others destroy things to 'protect' them from discovery by others. And, of course, some folks are merely pranksters who relish fooling others.

 

[Cubfan64]

Some treasure hunters are delusional and are not above creating fraudulent 'clues' to support their beliefs. Others destroy things to 'protect' them from discovery by others. And, of course, some folks are merely pranksters who relish fooling others.

And all those types of folks you've listed above have had 100+ years to "play their games" so to speak. The needle in the haystack has only gotten harder to find over the years - if it existed at all.

Someone suggested a theory to me at the Rendezvous that I couldn't argue with considering what human nature is like. What if Waltz had gold saved up from different locations over the years and just "led people on" with stories near the end in order to get people to take good care of him? Sure, maybe he cached some of that gold in the mountains somewhere he could easily get to it, but did he exagerate the amount, make up stories about the richness of it, etc... just so he wouldn't die alone and uncared for?

Who knows.

 

[gollum]

While I have to admit the possibility, I say it is a dim possibility. Too many other believable stories (Deering, Chuning, Two Soldiers, etc.). If Waltz' Mine was the only story about a gold mine in the Supers, I might give that theory a little more credence. As it is, I'll stay on the side of his having a mine.

Mike

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

G'd morning mi buddy cubber, I agree, this has been done many times with an inheritance as the carrot, but as our coffee making buddy ---hint - ORO pointed out, the specimens of gold found under his bed do not match any other speciman of gold in Arizona ? 'AND THEY EXIST'.

Jose

 

[roadrunner]

What if the gold under hid bed was from his claims in the Prescott, and that was his travelers checks so to speak.
How about his 2 claims,which held his name on them. But he did not put his name on a claim in the supes.
As stated,how about a yarn just so people would think he had a fortune,and they would take care of him and make sure he stayed alive so they could get the mine location or stash.

Had this happen not to long ago in Superior. Long story short,
elderly women in hospital dying, no relatives, calls in her preacher from her church.
Lady dies, and he ends up with a signed letter,saying all her property,possessions go to him. Hmmmm,not the church though.
He sells everything, moves to Mesa, buys a new house,ect.

Now the curse. He gets cancer 2-4 years later,and dies.
Anyway,just saying that there are things that happen.
Has anyone ever taken a piece of LDM ore and compared it to his ore from Prescott? Oh,that's right, no one has the ore, or they dont want to find out where it matches for some reason.
Wait, we have a pic of the ring,supposed to be the ore,which is white quartz with gold in it.
So we have that. But cant that be found all over?
If we could match the ore,That would end the LDM story,books,tourism,ect, maybe,who knows.

 

[cactusjumper]

G'd morning mi buddy cubber, I agree, this has been done many times with an inheritance as the carrot, but as our coffee making buddy ---hint - ORO pointed out, the specimens of gold found under his bed do not match any other speciman of gold in Arizona ? 'AND THEY EXIST'.

Jose

Don Jose,

As Dr. Glover pointed, there is no collection of all gold specimens of Arizona finds. Waltz in his travels, probably took many samples from workings that turned out to be surface only, and pinched out quickly. Those were often very rich.

Take care,

Joe

 

[cactusjumper]

RR,

Bob no longer believes that the ore in his ring came from the LDM. In fact, he's not so sure the LDM is not fiction.

Take care,

Joe

 

[vastterrain]

Hi Frank,

Hope you and your's are doing well.

Many of the "artifacts/clues" we find today were created by modern-day Dutch Hunters. A number of those people were, and are, well respected by the Dutch Hunting Community at large. Those "artifacts/clues" are often shown to others in order to increase trust and reputation.

These self created bona fides are prevalent throughout history, and especially prominent in the history of Dutch Hunters. If you read any of the books written by some of these writers of creative fiction, you may find some nagging doubts trying to work their way into your faith in their "confidential" information.

In private conversations you will hear these stories from a number of well respected "old timers", but newcomers will stand by the truthfulness of their "friends". I believe this "confidential" information may have led to the death of some of the young newcomers in their hunt for the LDM.

In a number of cases, the creation of these "artifact/clues", were created in the presence of a witness.

Take care,

Joe

This is very close to a Confession! Anything you would like to point us too that you or your friends faked? Will take this into consideration from here on out.