The Lost Doc Thorne Mine - was it the same mine of Jacob Waltz?

[roadrunner]

Now that would make sense the soldiers being killed in that area.
And old man Reavis was also killed in that area.

sgt,did see the post from shiker that a cache was supposibly found by the pit mine area?
Where 393stroker found the saddle and the cargo bags,ect.

 

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[sgtfda]

RR yes and I'm sure there may be more in the area. Perhaps Waltz stashed a few bags. The gold rush is on. Who knows what is hidden behind all those bushes. Make sure to bring your machete and make a nice path for us old guys.

 

[roadrunner]

Got plans in the works to go out to that area shortly.

 

[coazon de oro]

Maybe Mexicans maybe not. Don't forget the two murdered solders. Someone was working that mine before Waltz. That was touched upon at the class. Jack thought the solders stumbled upon the mine ore dump. Material that was not processed yet. Their bodies were then removed from the area.

Howdy Frank,

In my opinion, it was the Mexicans who were more likely than the two soldiers, to have been working the mine before Waltz. It is recorded that Mexican miners were exploring around the Queen Creek area, and Black Canyon in the 1860's. Mexicans were not allowed to file claims, but were the ones who were familiar with the Peralta mines.

Waltz confessed to killing three Mexicans to get the mine. Since his first lode claim was filed in 1863, it is likely that is when he killed the Mexicans. The two soldiers that Waltz confessed to have killed, more than likely were killed in 1880 when they stumbled into Waltz mine. I believe this is why he decided to cover it.

The clues that Waltz left do not lead to that Pit mine. They should not be forced to fit, or assume that Waltz may have been in error. The Pit mine is not in the five mile circle. At the Pit mine you can not climb a hill, and see Weaver's Needle to the south. You can not see Four Peaks Mountain to the north with the peaks lined up as one from the Pit mine. The Pit mine is not two hundred yards north from the hide out cave. The Pit mine is no where close to the middle of three peaks to use that peak as a marker for the mine. The silver ore from the Pit mine does not match the rich gold ore of the LDM.

Homar

 

[cactusjumper]

Homar,

Lot's of neat clues in any number of questionable stories. "Hell, I was there".

Take care,

Joe

 

[somehiker]

Homar,

Lot's of neat clues in any number of questionable stories. "Hell, I was there".

Take care,

Joe

So, what neat clues fit the PM ?

 

[sgtfda]

Homar your mistaken except for the distance to the needle. I listened and watched the presentation with a open mind. If it was a trial and i was on the jury. My vote is yes it is the correct spot The news reporter from the 1800's that wrote the first LDM news stories name is engraved on a log in the cave with two houses. Why was he there near the Pitt area? What does the Pitt area have going for it along with matching clues? Gold and silver. What does your area have? After all these years gold that was never found. Why do think the AJ trail club ended up there?
Joe. I know and like you won't say how.
At any rate Homar after I hear talk on the Pitt issue from more than a few respected DHunters. I take a close look. Especially from those fellows. I've solved many criminal cases over the years doing just that. Listening to the whispers. If you feel it's elsewhere that's fine. Show me the gold and ill listen to your whispers also. After all I'm not a DHunter. Just a old cop still listening. If I was to take a LDM hike guess where I'm heading. Sure and hell not Weavers Needle. That path is beat to death. There is a bunch of smart newbies out there and guess where they are heading.

 

[sgtfda]

So, what neat clues fit the PM ?

Wayne ill go over it with you at our next meeting. I'm not typing 2 hrs worth. My thumb is worn.

 

[393stroker]

RR yes and I'm sure there may be more in the area. Perhaps Waltz stashed a few bags. The gold rush is on. Who knows what is hidden behind all those bushes. Make sure to bring your machete and make a nice path for us old guys.

ROTFLMAO

 

[coazon de oro]

Howdy Joe, and Frank,

You are free to believe what ever you may. If Jack can convince a prospector that silver ore is actually Lost Dutchman Gold, it makes me want to buy his book. That may be the greatest story ever told, and one heck of a read. Naaah, time will tell. Good luck.

Homar

 

[cactusjumper]

Howdy Joe, and Frank,

You are free to believe what ever you may. If Jack can convince a prospector that silver ore is actually Lost Dutchman Gold, it makes me want to buy his book. That may be the greatest story ever told, and one heck of a read. Naaah, time will tell. Good luck.

Homar

Homar,

Are you saying that gold is never found with silver ore?

Thanks,

Joe

 

[vastterrain]

Would like to sit in on that an give a listen while you talk story!!

 

[sgtfda]

No one in their right mind would spend years hauling that silver ore out of the mountain. First for the size of the mine it would not pay. Look at the size of the Silver King and how the ore was processed. The ore pile could fill the pit many times over. For the size of the Pitt only gold would pay. The whispers say gold not silver.

 

[coazon de oro]

Homar,

Are you saying that gold is never found with silver ore?

Thanks,

Joe

I have never made such a statement.

 

[chlsbrns]

There are about 80 lost mine stories in the southwest. It's doubtful that any could be identified as one of the 80 lost mines if any of them exist and a gold rich area was found.

I search the net just for the fun of it. Not a chance I would go looking for some lost mine when there is so much real gold to be found.

As far as I'm concerned all lost mine stories are a bunch of bunk! You would have to be an idiot to find a rich gold to mine and not legally claim it & then hire people to get the gold out ASAP. Who in their right mind would collect a little bit at a time knowing that if someone else legally claimed the mine that they would get nothing?

Waltz who filed numerous legal claims decides to not claim an ultra rich mine, to shoot people following him or to lead them on a wild goose chase? OK, makes sense to me!

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

There are about 80 lost mine stories in the southwest. It's doubtful that any could be identified as one of the 80 lost mines if any of them exist and a mine was found.

I search the net just for the fun of it. Not a chance I would go looking for some lost mine when there is so much real gold to be found.

As far as I'm concerned all lost mine stories are a bunch of bunk! You would have to be an idiot to find a rich gold to mine and not legally claim it & then hire people to get the gold out ASAP. Who in their right mind would collect a little bit at a time knowing that if someone else legally claimed the mine that they would get nothing?

OMG, someone is trying to be rational in the lost Dutchman forum.....

 

[markmar]

Homar

The clue " close to the middle of three peaks to use that peak as a marker for the mine " which you posted , fit exactly with my theory . In my theory the LDM is on the west side of the middle of the three peaks . From the Canon Negro you can see the three peaks to the south .

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Chisbrns You posted --> all lost mine stories are a bunch of bunk!

I disagree with you completely on this.

don Jose de La Mancha.

 

[markmar]

For all . The LDM is the mine which fit with the LDM clues . All the other are another mines .

 

[chlsbrns]

Which set of LMD clues? There are numerous different clues in different stories.

I'm not trying to sway anyone from not looking or doing as they please.

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