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The 1826 Flood Of St Louis Destruction of the Unintelligible Writing Key

Yes, NO rain last night; ALL CLEAR given; ppl returning to homes. City 0f L'burg is draining the lake today; that section of Lakeside Drive, near University of Lynchburg (at the bridge) remains closed (for 5-6 weeks). Haven't been on Old Forest Road by the creek, yet. MANY flooded basements, debris, mold, etc. ACORN HILL "Hotel'' PROBABLY has some damage, as it IS in that area of Old Forest Road. That is your local News Report from WTJB - GOLD.
 

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ECS said:
Is that a reference to Claudine Fulton Ellis's claim of discovering this alleged letter in a family Bible?
So far, this "flood destroyed letter" alternative fiction holds ever less water than that of Ellis's story.
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As more facts through decryption come forward, one by one of the fictional works will fall off the Beale tree of ciphers!
 

masterpoe said:
As more facts through decryption come forward, one by one of the fictional works will fall off the Beale tree of ciphers!
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masterpoe, I do not know why you dig up so many old threads? First let me state to you that no facts are going to come forward from decryption as there is never going to be a decryption. If you will study over the Cipher Code #2 that is given in the Job Print Pamphlet. Work on this code with out working on the other two that are not decryptable, you will find that the cipher code telling of the treasures buried was completely made up. The miscount at 480 tells you the cipher codes were made up. Every code letter used above 480 should be off by a count of 10 yet the author hit all 77 letters dead on. Surely if you have studied cryptography this should red flag a deception or prove to you that Cipher Code Number Two was fabricated or made up?
 

franklin said:
masterpoe, I do not know why you dig up so many old threads? First let me state to you that no facts are going to come forward from decryption as there is never going to be a decryption. If you will study over the Cipher Code #2 that is given in the Job Print Pamphlet. Work on this code with out working on the other two that are not decryptable, you will find that the cipher code telling of the treasures buried was completely made up. The miscount at 480 tells you the cipher codes were made up. Every code letter used above 480 should be off by a count of 10 yet the author hit all 77 letters dead on. Surely if you have studied cryptography this should red flag a deception or prove to you that Cipher Code Number Two was fabricated or made up?
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So then, you were just telling us a fictional story when you said you have deciphered the Beale Ciphers? Or did you just fake them?
 

franklin said:
Just because there was a flood does not mean that the letter was destroyed in said flood. That is abstract thinking and has no provenance
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There is NO PROVENANCE outside of the dime novel that the Beale perilous adventure story actually happened outside of that job pamphlets pages, much less the existence of a "key letter" being in St Louis to be destroyed in a flood.
Before the claim can be made that this "letter" was destroyed in a flood, one must establish that this "letter" actually existed, which has NOT been accomplished by anyone.
 

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masterpoe said:
As more facts through decryption come forward, one by one of the fictional works will fall off the Beale tree of ciphers!
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So far, that hasn't happened yet, just new manufactured fiction presented as fact piled on old constructed fiction that some want to believe as fact.
 

Cryptography said:
Now that we have a date of the flood of St Louis that destroyed the key named the unintelligible writing by the first few paragraphs of the Papers. We can separate all who say they have the said letter as fiction.
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The whole notion of this thread is that the real key was lost in the flood, and yet the author has clearly offered a said working key, that upon closer inspection doesn't exactly work as he portrays. Seems to me that "the real key was lost in a flood" is simply a means of opening free rein to assemble coded solutions as one desires. Here, yet again, the author simply wasn't telling the truth once more. So far just about everything the author has claimed has proven to be inaccurate or unreliable or unfounded. If there was ever any measure of truth in this tale then why does everyone continue to have to fill in all the unknowns with pure conjecture, lore, and wild speculation? Where are the actual directly connecting facts in support of all of this filling in of the unknowns? Common sense should tell folks that you can't possess facts without this required provenance.
 

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bigscoop said:
The whole notion of this thread is that the real key was lost in the flood, and yet the author has clearly offered a said working key, that upon closer inspection doesn't exactly work as he portrays. Seems to me that "the real key was lost in a flood" is simply a means of opening free rein to assemble coded solutions as one desires. Here, yet again, the author simply wasn't telling the truth once more. So far just about everything the author has claimed has proven to be inaccurate or unreliable or unfounded. If there was ever any measure of truth in this tale then why does everyone continue to have to fill in all the unknowns with pure conjecture, lore, and wild speculation? Where are the actual directly connecting facts in support of all of this filling in of the unknowns? Common sense should tell folks that you can't possess facts without this required provenance.
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I think you guys could be on any topic in all these forums, telling people everything is just s fake!
 

Ryano said:
Speaking of floods, I saw on the news last night where Lynchburg city residents were being evacuated due to flooding and a threatened dam. I hope none of our forum members are affected !
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Lake is now drained; that road is now open...
 

masterpoe said:
It's what the pamphlet did not say that provides proof of the truth of the matter!
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Will you please expound on this statement, masterpoe- as it reads, it seems to be totally illogical doubletalk.
How can "proof of the truth of the matter" exist in what is not written the pamphlet?
 

ECS said:
Will you please expound on this statement, masterpoe- as it reads, it seems to be totally illogical doubletalk.
How can "proof of the truth of the matter" exist in what is not written the pamphlet?
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AGREE! Eh...?
 

anything could have happened to the letter/key
info on post/mail and st louis
interesting the Constitution of U.S. and State of Missouri,
are in the 1821 directory, view img link didnt work, found
a copy @ /archive.org


TERRITORIAL PERIOD: 1804-1821
A history of St. Louis

steam & mail,post office reg history
https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-history/steamboats.pdf

packet boats
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/back1009.cfm

TEXT of st louis directory (Paxton) in May, 1821
St. Louis City Directories 1821-1877

search St. Louis City Directories 1821-1877
St. Louis City Directories 1821-1877

The St. Louis Directory and Register,John A. Paxton
https://archive.org/details/stlouisdirectory00paxt
 

cw0909 said:
anything could have happened to the letter/key
...
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It has never been established that this "letter/key" ever existed outside of the pages of the Beale Papers pamphlet.
 

cw0909 said:
anything could have happened to the letter/key
info on post/mail and st louis
interesting the Constitution of U.S. and State of Missouri,
are in the 1821 directory, view img link didnt work, found
a copy @ /archive.org


TERRITORIAL PERIOD: 1804-1821
A history of St. Louis

steam & mail,post office reg history
https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-history/steamboats.pdf

packet boats
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/back1009.cfm

TEXT of st louis directory (Paxton) in May, 1821
St. Louis City Directories 1821-1877

search St. Louis City Directories 1821-1877
St. Louis City Directories 1821-1877

The St. Louis Directory and Register,John A. Paxton
https://archive.org/details/stlouisdirectory00paxt
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That last document has some water damage! Very good information, thanks for posting it!
 

masterpoe said:
"HIGH WATERS.-The Mississippi is, at this time, considerably higher than it has been for many years. The water, in many places, is over its banks, and the low lands. for miles back, entirely inundated. The inhabitants have been compelled to leave their homes. ."-Missouri Republican, St. Louis, May 11, 1826.
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This would be the cause of a major setback of Beale's original plan.

There would be a Fail-Safe for the ciphers if such a event was possible known.
 

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