Ship Bell Found

[BillA]

merely a dinner bell, obviously

 

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[xaos]

xaos
21 pages and we are looking for what ?
suggest going to a church or synagogue,

After the incident, the Vatican has banned me from their income generating facilities..aside from that, why would I need to go to a church or synagogue?

Once again let me remind you that the bell is just 8" tall and 5" wide at the base.

salvor6... well according to you! hahahahaha

why cant skream, the alleged finder, provide basic dimensions or pictures?

from my previous post..




finder waiting for a scan
wont remove encrustations....
wont provide basic dimensions.

but...still asks for id help.

me thinks something very odd here.

 

[jeff of pa]

if It's Delicate I Wouldn't Clean it either .
Looks cool as is.

banned from the Vatican Sweet Brownie Points to you for that

 

[xaos]

well, removing crust is a basic on conversation, it just seems like a lack of conservation which is trouble, especially on an artefact of potential value.

banned by the Vatican...that is a story.....

 

[BillA]

ooooh, was that statement necessary ? (yes, we have all been thinking such)

Tonto

 

[Digger RJ]

NICE!!! Congrats!!!

 

[sailaway]

Similar Ship Salvage by Croatian Conservation Institute :
Exploring a 16th-century shipwreck off the Island of Mljet

by that link it takes us to a bell factory:
https://www.italymagazine.com/news/agnone-molise-where-bells-have-been-crafted-1000-years
http://campanemarinelli.com/
Inside the museum it is possible to buy reproductions of Marinelli bells.

 

[sailaway]

Now the India connection,

Sulaiman writes about a kingdom called Balhara, (probably Malwa's Ballabhipura), which was in his opinion one of the finest kingdoms in the world. There is ... 1: 354-5, 358-61]; and Tafan, which was probably located near the salt range in the Araballis.
European Trade and Colonial Conquest, Volume 1
By Biplab Dasgupta
https://books.google.com/books?id=Y...#v=onepage&q=Kingdom of Tafan, bengal&f=false

Marco Polo also wrote about Tafan

 

[MiddenMonster]

Once again let me remind you that the bell is just 8" tall and 5" wide at the base.

So then what are the average dimensions for the bells of various ships in the 15th - 19th centuries? If it is significantly out of line with the average size, what type of bells from the same time range fit those dimensions?

 

[WaveJunky757]

Even broader , With the dimensions given, what would that size bell be used for regarding ANYTHING in the 15th-19th century? , sailing ship or not.. dinner, religious, signaling device, .. It was there for a reason

 

[sailaway]

For those researching the Wreck sites of the new world here is the government and research links:
https://www.boem.gov/ESPIS/4/5109.pdf

 

[Skream1]

Do you know of a link for searching further south Guatamala area?

 

[BillA]

tic tic tic tic
lol

 

[xaos]

Do you know of a link for searching further south Guatamala area?

hahahahaha...asking for information!

"fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you"

After being tricked once, one should learn from one's mistakes and avoid being tricked in the same way again.

 

[Salvor6]

Xaos we are here on Tnet to share info on treasure wrecks and help each other. If you have a problem with that I suggest you hang out on SUB-ARCH.net or thunting.net and see how your views pan out there.

 

[xaos]

Information is a 2 way street. We we asked to help with the ID of the bell, but arent given the most basic information.

Asking for more information, is well, a bit unfair to those who provided information all along with no response.

 

[Skream1]

I don't think it is 'palmetto' but rather 'palmet' but don't know if that makes a difference, as it was the first I'd heard reference to that kind of decoration.

 

[Skream1]

I sort of agree with you Xaos, but I am also very cautious about disclosing much, since I don't know the full extent of the value of this artifact; on its own or as a part of a potential debris field. I came to this site because I thought I might be able to ask questions about the bell, but never expected to see it already posted by someone from the group, whom I assume downloaded it from an Instagram posting from a colleague, just after it was found. Even someone from this site has wondered about sharing that picture here.

 

[Robot]

Oh Lord..Lets Just End This!

This Bell was never!... ever!... but a small river bell from...the Tifan River...Which transported slaves to the coast for further shipments to the West Indies!

 

[xaos]

I sort of agree with you Xaos, but I am also very cautious about disclosing much, since I don't know the full extent of the value of this artifact; on its own or as a part of a potential debris field. I came to this site because I thought I might be able to ask questions about the bell, but never expected to see it already posted by someone from the group, whom I assume downloaded it from an Instagram posting from a colleague, just after it was found. Even someone from this site has wondered about sharing that picture here.

Fair enough Skream.....It has been frustrating, as you can see from my posts.....the dimensions of the bell should not be an issue, no?

Just let us know that you are going to hold it close, and that is all good.

Keep us informed when you get more information, and feel comfortable sharing.

In the meantime, good luck with your adventure.