She was only 3 days old.

[Bigcypresshunter]

I posted this here last year, but have yet to positively ID. We have some new members and I could get some new thoughts. It is silver and very THIN like a tag and the size of a quarter. Its hand engraved on the front in Old English copperplate script:

Jo-Ann L. Hall
12-30-43--1-2-44

There are some official looking numbers on the back: G-1506.

The back is also hand engraved. The numbers may coincide with a US military grave plot but what cemetery?... What century?

Plot G- Row 15- Grave 06?

 

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[firstbiggestmost]

Did you ever check with the Mormans? They can usually trace family trees back to the 1500s, and they have records for any place Christians are allowed in. If they cant help you...
HH.

 

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[gemee]

This most definitely is from the 1940's and NOT 1840's. I agree with someothers, that it was a memorial token, worn by a mother, that no doubt lost it while on a beach outing. This was a piece of jewelry. Maybe it was taken off the urn, and then the date was later engraved, and it was worn as a pendant.

 

[watercolor]

Wow! that IS an amazing piece.

From some of the thoughts already posted, I really think this was made from
a 19th-century coin . . . or earlier. From the style of the calligraphy and the
availability of a worn, or filed-down silver coin suggests 19th-century to me.

One thing I did notice about this piece, is the "oval-shaped" hole. By the hole's
smooth, oval wear pattern, I think it may have been worn for a long period of time
before it was lost. . . so that may discount it from being permanently fastened to
a marker of some type.

Just a few thoughts. Again, an awesome find!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Wow! that IS an amazing piece.

From some of the thoughts already posted, I really think this was made from
a 19th-century coin . . . or earlier. From the style of the calligraphy and the
availability of a worn, or filed-down silver coin suggests 19th-century to me.

One thing I did notice about this piece, is the "oval-shaped" hole. By the hole's
smooth, oval wear pattern, I think it may have been worn for a long period of time
before it was lost. . . so that may discount it from being permanently fastened to
a marker of some type.

Just a few thoughts. Again, an awesome find!

Unfortunately my friend forced this tag on his keychain while we were at the beach, so as not to lose it, possibly causing the oval shaped hole. I was detecting, he was my helper. I gave it to him thinking it was junk. I was trying to get him interested. One side was coral encrusted concealing the JoAnn side completely. The other side G-1506 is as you see it. Later he scraped off the encrustations and returned it to me. I dont know what will cause coral and encrustations to grow on only one side, unless it was attached to something.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

This most definitely is from the 1940's and NOT 1840's. I agree with someothers, that it was a memorial token, worn by a mother, that no doubt lost it while on a beach outing. This was a piece of jewelry. Maybe it was taken off the urn, and then the date was later engraved, and it was worn as a pendant.

Half of the members say its definitely 1944 half say its definitely 1844 or older lol. Like I said before, the main problem here is that there were no "beach outings" in this area during WWII. It was used as a live bombing range and Navy Seal training. Creamation tags are stainless steel. Im open to the possibility that it came from the few military personel stationed here. Thanks for your opinion.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Did you ever check with the Mormans? They can usually trace family trees back to the 1500s, and they have records for any place Christians are allowed in. If they cant help you...
HH.

We found a JoAnn Hall from Virginia in 1843/1844 that may have matched. Ill have to read back. I cant remember. No match in the Florida Death Index. Im hoping someone will do another search for me.

 

[Bramblefind]

I found this newspaper archive for Florida which is interesting - I've found some JoAnn Hall references but haven't put anything together yet. Thought I would pass it on to you in case you wanted to work with it too:

http://ufdcweb1.uflib.ufl.edu/ufdc/?c=fdnl1

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I found this newspaper archive for Florida which is interesting - I've found some JoAnn Hall references but haven't put anything together yet. Thought I would pass it on to you in case you wanted to work with it too:

http://ufdcweb1.uflib.ufl.edu/ufdc/?c=fdnl1

Im going to save that site. Is it free?

 

[Bramblefind]

Yep. Pretty cool for Florida history.

 

[goldie1959]

it looks to me it says to ann l hill and it may well be the length of honeymoon and maybe it is a ships # on back and that also looks done by hand but not by a professional engraver. i have seen WW2 momentoes that were done by ordinary soldiers/sailors. they did have jobs before enlisting or drafted. by the way breezie i am in jackson mi. what is the name on that plate

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

it looks to me it says to ann l hill and it may well be the length of honeymoon and maybe it is a ships # on back and that also looks done by hand but not by a professional engraver. i have seen WW2 momentoes that were done by ordinary soldiers/sailors. they did have jobs before enlisting or drafted. by the way breezie i am in jackson mi. what is the name on that plate

Thanks for commenting. Im reposting it here because it went 2 pages. You dont think the "T" comes down too low? Its hard to tell, there is a stain in that spot. The letter has a loop on the bottom making me think its a "J."

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I tried to take a picture of the few worn edge markings but without much luck. The pic however does show how thin it is. Same size as US quarter but without the reeded edge.

 

[kyphote]

I appraise 19th century art and based on all the script letters I've seen, can say that this is just as easily a "T" as it is a "J." Both letters should be equally considered.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I appraise 19th century art and based on all the script letters I've seen, can say that this is just as easily a "T" as it is a "J." Both letters should be equally considered.

Thanks. That would make her name Ann L. Hall. If its a WWII sweetheart, her name should show up on a geneology search. Anybody want to give it a try? I appreciate it.

Could the fancy "L" be anything else?

 

[DanFL1962]

Saw your message on Slave Collar post. Ancestry.com free search shows this:

Florida State Census, 1867-1945


Census & Voter Lists



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PreviewName: Joann Hall
Age: 0
Est. Birth Year: abt 1945
Census Year: 1945
County: Suwannee


Name: Joann Hall
Birth: abt 1945 - location
Residence: 1945 - township, Suwannee

Is this verification she died as an infant? "Age 0"

Dan

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Saw your message on Slave Collar post. Ancestry.com free search shows this:

Florida State Census, 1867-1945


Census & Voter Lists



View Image

PreviewName: Joann Hall
Age: 0
Est. Birth Year: abt 1945
Census Year: 1945
County: Suwannee


Name: Joann Hall
Birth: abt 1945 - location
Residence: 1945 - township, Suwannee

Is this verification she died as an infant? "Age 0"

Dan

I dont know but we're looking for 1943 or 1843. She died in Jan. 44.

I hope you will keep searching. Born Dec 30. I thought you had it for a second.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

It wasnt found near Suwannee County, but it says abt 1945 so maybe.

 

[DanFL1962]

But Suwannee County could have been their residence? If someone is a member of Ancestry.com or can access records of Suwannee County, maybe you can get her parents names. Perhaps they were originally from Vero and returned here for her funeral? Or, like others have said, maybe they lost it here while on the beach? Seems unlikely that there would be two infants from Florida with the same name that both died?

 

[DanFL1962]

Sorry I overlooked that the year was'nt exact. I guess its time for bed. But I do think its a good lead to follow, since the census shows she did not live to be one year old.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

But Suwannee County could have been their residence? If someone is a member of Ancestry.com or can access records of Suwannee County, maybe you can get her parents names. Perhaps they were originally from Vero and returned here for her funeral? Or, like others have said, maybe they lost it here while on the beach? Seems unlikely that there would be two infants from Florida with the same name that both died?

Nobody vacationed in Vero those years, the remote beaches were used for live bombing practice and Navy Seal training, I was told.Its a common name unfortunately but I agree, it may be worth researching further. Thanks. Nothing else came up?

I had a librarian search the entire Florida Death index without a match but maybe the date is wrong.