Season Two - Nov. 4, 2014 9:00 pm

[Eldo]

you're right, there may still be something at the bottom....in the pit that collected the collapsing levels way back when they were digging.

theory holds that there is a pit or a chamber underneath the casks of wood and layers of space found, and that the lower layers collapsed under the weight of the frames above, when the digging had gotten closer to the bottom and filled with water?

they said they heard a huge crash and the levels had dropped some 20 feet

I think whatever they found that made the one worker put it in his pocket, jump ship, and try to return in a month and buy the place convinced him enough that there was something there.

@ Scuba .....would you want to go over the new info I have found that will show you the second location and additional markers of a larger mapped sequence?

 

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[Charlie P. (NY)]

I'm actually rooting that they find something of value - monetary or historical - for Marty L.'s sake. He looks and acts just like my brother's best friend and seems level headed and guardedly semi-optimistic. I think I caught that he's bankrolling most of this. Nothing gets to rankling between family members more than money.

But it won't be the grail, the arc of the covenant, anything of Solomon's or the treasure of the Rosy Cross. And if the freemasons put something there they would have probably got it back ASAP after the Revolution and certainly after 1812/14.

All the really courageous people in history were pessimists. They had to act figuring the outcome would be bad or the chances of success slim. The optimists were just going with the flow. And when hard times come it is the pessimists who have stored up grain, brought a first aid kit, left 1,000psi for the ascent because a buddy might have miscalculated, or planned an escape route. Nobody appreciates us until then.

But it is the optimists who climb down out of the trees, try the red berries or bring the fire into the lodge.

The world needs both.

 

[Eldo]

The final word here from my research is Knights Templar escaped to Nova Scotia with Urn of the ashes of Jaques De Molay, and their treasures in 1300's

The first interactions they had were with the natives, and they were met by the Mi'kmaq, who speak of two interactions with travelers, the Red haired people, the norse, and the men wearing white robes with a cross on it.....the Knights Templar

They lived here for a time adn made their base of operations in Nova Scotia, building ships and setting sail to the areas they had been welcomed in, they left clues with scholars, and pieces of art for kings to pass down to their children and families in hopes the Sublime Prince would recognize the lineage and chart his course......

The next we see of the activity after the Templars hid out was the Spanish Templars, who under the Hapsburgs buried a glory in wealth and the Beloved there as well.

The furthering of these clues is unmistakeable as there are even charted signs there were Masons present.....whereas robot swears he has info about the Masons using star maps and its signifigance to the revolution of 1776, Amundsen's confirmation of Bacon and Shakespeare, and now Poussins codes aligned to show the final codes?.

Is this a place of burial of the New Temple, the Tomb of Christ and his adornments, and religious artifacts where the nations buried their treasures for the return.

Not to sound religious and a true believer, but this all seems like its a point of importance to a few nations and they were all tied into this mystery somehow. How there are not just codes from different countries of origins involved in charted map stones, carvings and other descriptive carvings, but numerous other entities of literary works with hidden maps and codes leading there.

this is bigger than Oak Island and the Money Pit for sure.

 

[ScubaFinder]

I agree the world needs both Charlie, just not sure I could have become a treasure hunter if I was pessimistic. Seems like the gut feeling that nothing would be there would deter one from even trying...this from the optimist though, so what do I know about being pessimistic. :-) You are right about Marty, he is cautiously optimistic, Rick is passionately optimistic, and Craig is somewhere in the middle keeping the brothers on a centerline somewhere between the two. I only spent about 8 hours with them, but I genuinely liked each of them and quickly realized they are not actors, they are not staging anything, they have a genuine interest in finding the truth. I believe the TV show is just a way to supplement the expendatures being laid out. They didn't come off as glory hounds or egomaniacs, just a couple of Michigan boys setting out to chase a childhood dream. Everyone here really liked all 3 of them and enjoyed the time we spent together.

My theory doesn't involve the Knights Templar or Solomon's temple, but i don't categorically dismiss the possibility of treasure being there either. I think a Spanish treasure ship was washed ashore there during a storm. To re-float the ship, they unloaded the heavy treasure and hid it in an pre-existing sinkhole on the island (now known as the money pit). They dug out what we now know as Smith's Cove around the ship so they could sail it out. Smith's Cove is verifiable as being man-made, but there is no record of who made it or when it was made. They filled in the sink hole with the material they removed, and attempted to sail the empty ship back to Spain, intending to retrieve the treasure on a return voyage. The damaged ship sank on the high seas, leaving no survivors and no record of the treasure.

Mine is just as plausible as any theory posted here for or against, it also has the same 50/50 chance of being correct.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

That one works better than most.

Also brings up another (pessimistic) thought. In Lake Huron there have been sinkholes that opened into the underlying karst and went from 200 ft to 800 feet deep "when the bottom fell out" into the underlying aquifer. Perhaps the concentrated weight of possible treasure pressed the slit and log dams down enough that it plunged to a dark abyss and the silt eventually plugged the hole. (especially after that guy with the steam shovel dung "100 ft wide and 100 ft deep" over the original pit in the 1960's.

Some inland sinkholes havecollapsed through up to 800 feet of
additional overlying formations not
present at Middle Island.[Lake Huron]

http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/pubs/fulltext/2009/20090012.pdf

 

[Eldo]

I agree the world needs both Charlie, just not sure I could have become a treasure hunter if I was pessimistic. Seems like the gut feeling that nothing would be there would deter one from even trying...this from the optimist though, so what do I know about being pessimistic. :-) You are right about Marty, he is cautiously optimistic, Rick is passionately optimistic, and Craig is somewhere in the middle keeping the brothers on a centerline somewhere between the two. I only spent about 8 hours with them, but I genuinely liked each of them and quickly realized they are not actors, they are not staging anything, they have a genuine interest in finding the truth. I believe the TV show is just a way to supplement the expendatures being laid out. They didn't come off as glory hounds or egomaniacs, just a couple of Michigan boys setting out to chase a childhood dream. Everyone here really liked all 3 of them and enjoyed the time we spent together.

My theory doesn't involve the Knights Templar or Solomon's temple, but i don't categorically dismiss the possibility of treasure being there either. I think a Spanish treasure ship was washed ashore there during a storm. To re-float the ship, they unloaded the heavy treasure and hid it in an pre-existing sinkhole on the island (now known as the money pit). They dug out what we now know as Smith's Cove around the ship so they could sail it out. Smith's Cove is verifiable as being man-made, but there is no record of who made it or when it was made. They filled in the sink hole with the material they removed, and attempted to sail the empty ship back to Spain, intending to retrieve the treasure on a return voyage. The damaged ship sank on the high seas, leaving no survivors and no record of the treasure.

Mine is just as plausible as any theory posted here for or against, it also has the same 50/50 chance of being correct.

Gets better every day I tell ya. Wait till tonight !

anyone else have a heads up on tonight's show? I am waiting to see the artifacts pulled from the swamp when they hit that scan bleep in the previous show on the ice

 

[Eldo]

Just take one look at the evidence I am holding and it will shock you.

The creation of this area is related to one foundation that escaped persecution and was settled here, and the obvious facts are being overlooked by claiming there was numerous coins found, so nobody has to fess up to the true owners of the trove is what I am feeling.

It's no shock to me to see the overlooking of evidence here. Someone has to prove a theory to be considered right on the money, but its not our Island to talk about, that's for sure.

I have sent Rick and Marty numerous emails and offers to assist in merely guiding them to another possible concept to look at, yet not a single chance was returned to me to speak to them about a possible other location.

Not to be rude, but the guy they brought on the show, was merely going to a location that was already known, in Bedford Basin. Taking a perfectly round symbol and counting 8 does not mean they can follow this circle around the island to 8 places to find a treasure does it?

They completely ignored the other Rock Map of stones laid out there on the peninsula, and there are probably markers there too if investigated further, this rock was propped up on three smaller stones perfectly balanced like the cornerstone in the next bay over from Bedford.
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If they had any true interest out there they would have looked around more.

 

[Eldo]

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This is the Second Rock Map now....in Bedford basin

the one on Hobson had the roman numeral 5......or a V with the square root looking alteration on the main rock.

there was a map of stones there too.......pointing at Oak......

this was a way they marked the area with stones to guide them to find a series of islands along a series of clues

to find the 5th clue, the one with the Coffer Dam with the roman numeral 5 on it........

wondering why they havent found anything yet with the other numbers on the wooden posts.

because the island is only number 5 on a series of clues to the number 8......but he has no idea and is putzing around without the greater mapping chart

 

[Eldo]

And the supposed map the guy says he will lead them right to the treasure with is overlaid like this......

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The outlines are unmistakeable as a mapped area that even features all of the canals, the holes, and the crows nest on the mast of the ship shape looks like it has a final location of something marked, that hasnt been dug yet.......

UH OH

did we just take the map and find the magic mystery hole that was supposed to be nearby??

 

[jeff of pa]

And the supposed map the guy says he will lead them right to the treasure with is overlaid like this......

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The outlines are unmistakeable as a mapped area that even features all of the canals, the holes, and the crows nest on the mast of the ship shape looks like it has a final location of something marked, that hasnt been dug yet.......

UH OH

did we just take the map and find the magic mystery hole that was supposed to be nearby??

so was it Aliens who drew the stone map from so far above ?

or satellite Photography to get such an exact view

 

[jeff of pa]

Gets better every day I tell ya. Wait till tonight !

anyone else have a heads up on tonight's show? I am waiting to see the artifacts pulled from the swamp when they hit that scan bleep in the previous show on the ice

got the DVR set , I'll be watching it when I get up after midnight

 

[Eldo]

No they found the Giants in the Money Pit last episode

This map was from the time that the original Knights Templars came here, from France, when they were burnt at the stake they made their escape from france with the ashes of their leader

they came here in the time of the old Mi'kmaw when there was no others before them except the "red haired people who came on the back of a whale"

they crafted these symbols into the island as you can see the exact round edged tree lines Jeff, as clear as day.

If they dont have anything located from this carving they found.......then we can say I saw aliens burying the ark there when nobody else was looking.

but there is information they arent showing you, the carving has two symbols carved, WHICH THEY DIDNT SHOW YOU HALF OF FOR SOME REASON>>>>>>HINT HINT

you are some of the most closed minded skeptics, yet still have a sense of humor.......? this boggles me even further than the clues on oak island

will be watching live as well.....

 

[Eldo]

Jeff

just survey the area's islands and set up a map

just measure each distance out by compass and footstep, and then draw it out on a map

when you get to each island, you have a scalar reference to guide you by, to bury it all exactly where you charted the clues on your map.

Its not perfect obviously, but the uneven lines in the circle match the tree lines there perfectly, and the four fingers can be seen around the money pit, and the sailboat stones sure look similar.....

geez how did they draw those maps way back then without a calculator?

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Smae exact boat shape found here on the island is scribed in an ancient mapped form.....using the Mi'kmaw Confederacy symbol as a coded diversion to make it look native american

 

[Robot]

"Eldo" now you are "Talking" my "Language"!

Jeff

just survey the area's islands and set up a map

just measure each distance out by compass and footstep, and then draw it out on a map

when you get to each island, you have a scalar reference to guide you by, to bury it all exactly where you charted the clues on your map.

Its not perfect obviously, but the uneven lines in the circle match the tree lines there perfectly, and the four fingers can be seen around the money pit, and the sailboat stones sure look similar.....

geez how did they draw those maps way back then without a calculator?

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Smae exact boat shape found here on the island is scribed in an ancient mapped form.....using the Mi'kmaw Confederacy symbol as a coded diversion to make it look native american

"Could" it be that this "Eight Pointed Star" is a "Key"?

"Pointing" to "Stars" that "Co-ordinate" with my "Star Map" and can be "Triangulated" to "Freemason's Markers".

"Rough Attachment",

"Would Need" to set the "Eight Pointed Star" in "Place" to actually "Confirm".

.

 

[Old Silver]

I don't know if there is any treasure on Oak Island or not....but newsflash, neither do ANY of you guys. Shouldn't a treasure hunter be an optimist by definition? Why on earth would anyone spend this amount of time trying to prove that a treasure is NOT there? Wouldn't your time be better spent trying to find one that you believe IS there? I just don't get it, yes it is TV and the producers think it needs a deadly curse and a holy grail to be interesting enough to get viewers but that doesn't mean none of the history is valid. At the end of the day, you have hundreds of people spanning several hundred years all telling the same story, were they all liars just looking for investment? Maybe, maybe not...we don't truly know. The spirit of this forum should be trying to find out FOR SURE - theories only get you so far, at some point you are going to need a shovel....a BIG one in this case. :-)

Why can't we just accept that there is evidence to suggest that something might be there, and applaud their efforts for trying to get to the bottom of it (pun intended)? I wonder what you are doing on a treasure hunting forum if your mind works any other way. To me, a pessimistic treasure hunter is like a golfer who doesn't believe there is a hole on the green...why the heck would he even tee off?

That's what I've been asking. I hope you can find better answers than I've been able to find.

 

[Eldo]

Did anyone catch the blip about them now saying they have the "possible resting place of the Menorah" ??

I should have never given them a tweet that had the pics of the Menorah carving and the carving of the other clues.......

they are now digging deeply into the thoughts of 'treasures' and skirting around the idea of holy relics, with someone who has no idea what to expect other than a prize a the end of the cracker jack box

they are going to get so reamed out if they try to claim the ownership of these troves after the Spanish Kingdom has already been informed...

...they watch TV too you know.....LOL

 

[bobinsd]

With all the drilling problems they've had, I don't understand why they don't position the rig right above the main shaft which is already mostly dug? I still haven't seen any of this water they say is at the bottom of the pit. Please fill me in.

 

[Dr. Meh]

So, what are everyone's thoughts on the core sample?

 

[Dr. Meh]

Did anyone catch the blip about them now saying they have the "possible resting place of the Menorah" ??

I should have never given them a tweet that had the pics of the Menorah carving and the carving of the other clues.......

they are now digging deeply into the thoughts of 'treasures' and skirting around the idea of holy relics, with someone who has no idea what to expect other than a prize a the end of the cracker jack box

they are going to get so reamed out if they try to claim the ownership of these troves after the Spanish Kingdom has already been informed...

...they watch TV too you know.....LOL

They aren't basing this show on your tweets. Hate to burst your bubble.

 

[cw0909]

found this thread when it was on pg 3, have been following
and following the show, on TV and here:...
Watch The Curse of Oak Island Full Episodes & Videos Online - HISTORY.com


was wondering where all the info came from, for the pit in the 1800s
went looking and found this book, and a website that been keeping
and putting up records for the 1900s. after reading all this material i
think if there is something in the pit, it will never be found, unless that
whole side of the island is dug out, anyway as has been said nothing
like a good treasure mystery


book...........
Oak Island Treasure Company : capital, sixty thousand dollars, shares only five dollars each,
full paid and non-assessable.
Language: English
Publisher: [Brockton, Mass.?] : [publisher not identified], 1893


read online
Oak Island Treasure Company [microform] : capital, sixty thousand dollars, shares only five dollars each, full paid and non-assessable
download
https://ia600509.us.archive.org/11/items/cihm_34838/cihm_34838.pdf
University of Alberta Libraries


ran across a 2nd edition of the book, but it has 9 pgs, instead of 12 not including cover
and cover pgs in the 1893,couldnt find an ebook or pdf for 2nd ed.


Oak Island Treasure Company : capital, sixty thousand dollars, shares only five dollars each,
full paid and non-assessable, main office : No. 4, Liberty Square, Boston, Mass.
Publisher: Boston : B. Wilkins, 1894. Second ed
http://books.google.com/books/about/Oak_Island_Treasure_Company.html? id=U96KQwAACAAJ

an archive for 1900s activty
Oak Island Treasure - the world's greatest treasure hunt - Oak Island Archive


2 imgs i took from the e book