Season Two - Nov. 4, 2014 9:00 pm

[Charlie P. (NY)]

The concrete samples found in the late eighteen hundreds were analyzed as being 37% lime, 33% carbonate, 13% silica, 10% iron and 5% magnesium. And definitely man-made.

So then if they have a match they know they are in the right spot. But, then again, it apparently didn't help back then to have known where the vault was.

 

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[Old Silver]

OK I Think I know where your going.
& if your talking Real Giants, some of That documentation is a sticky situation .
especially before some real proof was introduced first, in order to consider
searching for Giants
a legit treasure search.

And what would constitute that "real" proof?

 

[jeff of pa]

And what would constitute that "real" proof?

sadly, I honestly don't know

 

[New Gold]

So then if they have a match they know they are in the right spot. But, then again, it apparently didn't help back then to have known where the vault was.

As they explained in last night's episode, it's very difficult to pinpoint an exact location at that depth because the drill has a tendency to arc sideways due to the pressures exerted on it. And we all know the difficulties encountered trying to get to the bottom of the money pit.

 

[jeff of pa]

As they explained in last night's episode, it's very difficult to pinpoint an exact location at that depth because the drill has a tendency to arc sideways due to the pressures exerted on it. And we all know the difficulties encountered trying to get to the bottom of the money pit.

I did like hearing him say they need to Drill all around that spot next.

That should at least prove or disprove a wooden compartment

 

[Old Silver]

sadly, I honestly don't know

Then I guess there could be no such thing as proof. Well, sometimes people know.

 

[Eldo]

Did the Phoenicians have concrete? ....or shovels?

The Romans even had a form of Underwater Concrete...believe it or not, they were all master builders back then and the Phoenicians were definitely in the area years ago in the Mediterranean so its easy to say they had it or knew about it.

The idea of the wooden chest and the concrete and clay shell surrounding it, is all great news BUT......

does anyone feel a little bit worried about the nature of what may be down there, and the fact they want to swiss cheese the area to take 'samples' ?

This machine is a huge fricking drill and will literally tear right through any of the treasures that may be there....am I wrong??

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[Charlie P. (NY)]

And we all saw in Raiders of the Loat Arc what happens when the improper folks open the Arc!

Close your eyes fast if everyone on the screen starts to explode and melt.

According to 1 Samuel 4-8 God gave the Philistines deadly hemorroids ("tumors of the groin") so that both the young and old died after they captured it from the Israelites.

I've heard it said that nothing spoils a good hunt like success.

 

[FinderKeeper]

I hired a drill rig just like that one for our TV show in New Ross, Nova Scotia and I paid $350. a hr or $1700 a day. Ya it sucks to drill into something of value but that is the law in Nova Scotia and here in Pa. You can not dig until you prove anything of value is there. The same goes for mineral rights. The government owns everything 2' below the surface on down. To dig deeper than 2' you need permits and proof. Ya it sounds stupid but what they are doing is the only way.

 

[Eldo]

And we all saw in Raiders of the Loat Arc what happens when the improper folks open the Arc!

Close your eyes fast if everyone on the screen starts to explode and melt.

According to 1 Samuel 4-8 God gave the Philistines deadly hemorroids ("tumors of the groin") so that both the young and old died after they captured it from the Israelites.

I've heard it said that nothing spoils a good hunt like success.

The thought of snakes just makes me cringe.....LOL

 

[Eldo]

I hired a drill rig just like that one for our TV show in New Ross, Nova Scotia and I paid $350. a hr or $1700 a day. Ya it sucks to drill into something of value but that is the law in Nova Scotia and here in Pa. You can not dig until you prove anything of value is there. The same goes for mineral rights. The government owns everything 2' below the surface on down. To dig deeper than 2' you need permits and proof. Ya it sounds stupid but what they are doing is the only way.

The proof should be boots on the ground photos, aerial photos, and the review of historical facts through the office of a forensic Archaeologist, to get the professional 'Opinion' for the permitting, and to be able to prove you can retrieve the items found safely if they turn out to be artifacts and not deposits.

The next phase I would go through there is the ground scanners......the drill seems too OLD and ARCANE.......once you have an object on screen with outlines of man made form, and have proven the existence on something of importance placed there, it should be no problem to clear the area with a large caisson to retrieve at that depth......

It seems they are concerned with their budget, as are the guys at the show, who are busy giving us the view of a few cores, when we both know that if they would just fork over the money to fund the show the right way they would have the artifacts, the 3d scans of ground pen radar systems, and other high tech gadgets that can detect those magnetic stones the Spanish are so fond of using ....LOL

So what is really going on is they are relying on the show to boost and fund the costs, and are in essence not paying enough to get it done right

I dont think that they are tight on money so to say, but they should step up and scan the whole area with something powerful and get some look at the underlaying tunnels and the rest of the maze.

 

[Dr. Meh]

The proof should be boots on the ground photos, aerial photos, and the review of historical facts through the office of a forensic Archaeologist, to get the professional 'Opinion' for the permitting, and to be able to prove you can retrieve the items found safely if they turn out to be artifacts and not deposits.

The next phase I would go through there is the ground scanners......the drill seems too OLD and ARCANE.......once you have an object on screen with outlines of man made form, and have proven the existence on something of importance placed there, it should be no problem to clear the area with a large caisson to retrieve at that depth......

It seems they are concerned with their budget, as are the guys at the show, who are busy giving us the view of a few cores, when we both know that if they would just fork over the money to fund the show the right way they would have the artifacts, the 3d scans of ground pen radar systems, and other high tech gadgets that can detect those magnetic stones the Spanish are so fond of using ....LOL

So what is really going on is they are relying on the show to boost and fund the costs, and are in essence not paying enough to get it done right

I dont think that they are tight on money so to say, but they should step up and scan the whole area with something powerful and get some look at the underlaying tunnels and the rest of the maze.

It's a TV show. I guarantee the show is paying for the costs. The one brother complaining about costs is doing it for dramatic effect. This isn't a documentary. It's like in Gold Rush how the idiot mining team always complains about running out of money or something while both the fat guy and the old guy are making $75,000 an episode. Not to mention getting costs reimbursed. The money angle is bogus and just for the show because the audience can relate to financial strain thereby making the characters more relatable and likable.

 

[jeff of pa]

And we all saw in Raiders of the Loat Arc what happens when the improper folks open the Arc!

Close your eyes fast if everyone on the screen starts to explode and melt.

According to 1 Samuel 4-8 God gave the Philistines deadly hemorroids ("tumors of the groin") so that both the young and old died after they captured it from the Israelites.

I've heard it said that nothing spoils a good hunt like success.

success or hemorrhoids ! Better take a Vat of Preparation-H along

 

[FinderKeeper]

I would think a 3D scan of the money pit would look like a mess down there. Not sure if it would work at the pit, to many metal objects and timber. They could have the tunnels done in 3D but it would cost $15,000 to $35,000 easy. They wanted $10,000 to $15,000 to do the New Ross site and Scott Wolters would not pay for it. Coins were found at the New Ross site to, but why post or show them, everyone would think they were planted. So most of what is found on Oak Island or at New Ross is info for the hunters to continue the hunt. After the hunt ends then the truth is told.

 

[jeff of pa]

I would think a 3D scan of the money pit would look like a mess down there. Not sure if it would work at the pit, to many metal objects and timber. They could have the tunnels done in 3D but it would cost $15,000 to $35,000 easy. They wanted $10,000 to $15,000 to do the New Ross site and Scott Wolters would not pay for it. Coins were found at the New Ross site to, but why post or show them, everyone would think they were planted. So most of what is found on Oak Island or at New Ross is info for the hunters to continue the hunt. After the hunt ends then the truth is told.

coins really don't mean much anyway all they prove is someone was there.

for example , many of us detectorists have found Chinese cache coins.
and not just at one site, but several different locations.


Does it automatically mean someone Chinese was there ?

Maybe, Maybe not.

[for example, I found one in a 19'th century ghost town/camp along a defunct RR, in the same area everyone seemed to have harmonicas and oil lamps. Possible Chinese
camp ? Maybe / Maybe not. no history available. I also found them in
20th. century Ball Fields, & Parks sometimes next to 19th. century coins.]

Many people have carried coins for many different reasons.
to buy things, Good Luck, as examples what to look for, to show off..
yes even to salt areas

Doesn't mean the Finder salted the Site, Just means someone in the
past may have.

just like some people may place a piece of gold in an LRL chamber,
some may think, place a period coin(s) in their pocket(s) may draw them to a site

even small relics mean little:
I found 2 Civil war minnie Balls in my immediate area.
you need to travel 70 mile south & accross the Susquehanna,
to be anywhere near the High water mark
for the Civil war.

 

[Dave Rishar]

Why do you expect answers to rhetorical questions?

I expect epic answers to epic questions, in order to support epic claims. If my questions are rhetorical (and they can certainly be taken as such), why are they rhetorical, and what does that mean in the big picture?

Cause Rishar demands an answer now or its a hoax

Rishar must be appeased or else you will be a liar and a fool in the Great Rishar's eyes

They're simple questions. When I can't answer a simple question, I admit that I can't answer it. If my questions make people uncomfortable, then those people should ask themselves why this is so. They truly are simple questions. Given the absolute confidence in a buried treasure and even speculation as to what it might be and how it got there, I'm a bit shocked that we can't figure out whether or not some of these "facts" actually occurred in the first place.

No one should feel that they must appease me, but to appease me is to address the things that don't make sense, so in a sense one would have to appease me to progress the discussion; otherwise, I will merely continue to point these out to the annoyance of some, and we will continue to dance around the issue. Appeasement is not my goal though. I like to know the truth of things, and I like others to know the truth of things.

I haven't called anyone here a liar or a fool to the best of my knowledge, although I may have inadvertantly implied the latter when pointing out errors in research in the past. (I will note with some satisfaction that at least one of those erroneous tropes was quite common on this forum before I came here, but now is gone due to some very basic research that apparently no one else thought to do.) I did mention that I thought that someone might be insane, but that's not the same as calling them a fool. (I mentioned at the same time in a somewhat backhanded compliment that if they were not insane, then they were one of the greatest trolls that I've ever encountered, so there's that.)

 

[Old Silver]

I expect epic answers to epic questions, in order to support epic claims. If my questions are rhetorical (and they can certainly be taken as such), why are they rhetorical, and what does that mean in the big picture?

It's you who called them rhetorical.

 

[Dr. Meh]

I expect epic answers to epic questions, in order to support epic claims. If my questions are rhetorical (and they can certainly be taken as such), why are they rhetorical, and what does that mean in the big picture?

They're simple questions. When I can't answer a simple question, I admit that I can't answer it. If my questions make people uncomfortable, then those people should ask themselves why this is so. They truly are simple questions. Given the absolute confidence in a buried treasure and even speculation as to what it might be and how it got there, I'm a bit shocked that we can't figure out whether or not some of these "facts" actually occurred in the first place.

No one should feel that they must appease me, but to appease me is to address the things that don't make sense, so in a sense one would have to appease me to progress the discussion; otherwise, I will merely continue to point these out to the annoyance of some, and we will continue to dance around the issue. Appeasement is not my goal though. I like to know the truth of things, and I like others to know the truth of things.

I haven't called anyone here a liar or a fool to the best of my knowledge, although I may have inadvertantly implied the latter when pointing out errors in research in the past. (I will note with some satisfaction that at least one of those erroneous tropes was quite common on this forum before I came here, but now is gone due to some very basic research that apparently no one else thought to do.) I did mention that I thought that someone might be insane, but that's not the same as calling them a fool. (I mentioned at the same time in a somewhat backhanded compliment that if they were not insane, then they were one of the greatest trolls that I've ever encountered, so there's that.)

The second paragraph wins the trophy for most times the word "appease" is used in a single paragraph.

The question is: is your trophy you won an ancient holy relic/pirate booty or is it cheap plastic? Maybe it's planted there. Or maybe, just maybe, it's not real and a figment of your imagination. If so, how do you prove that? Welcome to your own personal nightmare. Muhahahaha! I'm tired and loopy. Off to bed.

 

[Old Silver]

I like to know the truth of things, and I like others to know the truth of things.

Do you actually see yourself as a possessor of truth, beyond all others? Everyone wants the truth, not just you.
But what some of you fail to understand is that some people just like to hunt for things (not necessarily the Oak Island treasure, but anything). What does it matter if it's real or not, as long as they are enjoying their time here? Why does that bother you?

 

[New Gold]

It's a TV show. I guarantee the show is paying for the costs. The one brother complaining about costs is doing it for dramatic effect. This isn't a documentary. It's like in Gold Rush how the idiot mining team always complains about running out of money or something while both the fat guy and the old guy are making $75,000 an episode. Not to mention getting costs reimbursed. The money angle is bogus and just for the show because the audience can relate to financial strain thereby making the characters more relatable and likable.

The Laginas bought the island long before a TV show was conceived. Marty is a drilling engineer. I'm sure with or without the TV show the Laginas would have been doing some drilling on the island. If you believe the hype, the brothers have been interested in the island since a young age. It's not like History brought in a bunch of well known TV characters for this show. Not to mention everyone on the show is a terrible actor. Whenever a scene has been set up, such as when the nephew brings them the news of the impending legislation, it is blatantly obvious.

I really don't think them griping about money issues is an act. After all the money that has gone up in flames on the island, NO ONE, including a TV studio, is going to start throwing it around without giving it some thought. There would be no basis for a TV show if the Laginas weren't willing to fork over some of the costs. The TV studio is responsible for paying all of its crew, not to mention itself. Yes, they probably do cover some of the costs but if they were going to pay for everything why not bring in a crew of treasure hunting experts, or at least some decent TV personalities? The Laginas and their crew have got to be some of the most boring TV personalities ever. But they aren't there to be TV stars, they are there because they are the ones actively searching for the treasure.