Season 4

[marticus]

Correction/ 1100's to 1400's.

Cheers, Loki

And where is it now? Where is the spanish coin?
Do you really homestly think that if they found a large ancient treasure. The ark. Pirates. Shakesper. Or the chubacabra. They would be allowed to keep it. The Oak Island treasure trove act is in place to stop any further destruction to the island. Which the dunfields caused. The brothers get to keep anything that would not be classes as an artifact. But use your brains here. On Oak Island. What would not be classed as an artifact.?
Artifacts belong to the state. The island belongs to the state. The brothers legally only own a few feet under the ground. The rest the state ownes. Same as it is at my place. And most likely at yours

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[gazzahk]

And where is it now? Where is the spanish coin?
Do you really homestly think that if they found a large ancient treasure. The ark. Pirates. Shakesper. Or the chubacabra. They would be allowed to keep it. The Oak Island treasure trove act is in place to stop any further destruction to the island. Which the dunfields caused. The brothers get to keep anything that would not be classes as an artifact. But use your brains here. On Oak Island. What would not be classed as an artifact.?
Artifacts belong to the state. The island belongs to the state. The brothers legally only own a few feet under the ground. The rest the state ownes. Same as it is at my place. And most likely at yours

Well I do not think the brothers have to much to worry about.... The state can not take what is not there and there chances of finding anything worth taking are so close to zero they would have a better chance of getting treasure if they brought a lottery ticket.

Their 'treasure' comes from selling the hunt. It is pretty obvious that they no longer even believe they will find anything. There now just going through the motions to sell the series.

This is what is so disappointing. They are not even serious about there investigations any more...

 

[gazzahk]

Didn't Chatterton go down exploring, then Huntly with his detectors and then Chat again? It looked like that from what I remember.

Yep.. I was meaning a third dive with the MD to resolve the discrepancy between one diver getting 'hits' and the other not getting them...

 

[marticus]

Well I do not think the brothers have to much to worry about.... The state can not take what is not there and there chances of finding anything worth taking are so close to zero they would have a better chance of getting treasure if they brought a lottery ticket.

Their 'treasure' comes from selling the hunt. It is pretty obvious that they no longer even believe they will find anything. There now just going through the motions to sell the series.

This is what is so disappointing. They are not even serious about there investigations any more...

Couldnt agree more. Treasure quest found gold season 2. My friend martin bayerle will be retreiving the gold from the republic this year season 2.
Oak Island. They would have got something by now if it ever was their in the 1st place.

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[Roadhse2]

Way to much air time wasted on 10x...Dan B dove it in the 70's...it has been in 10 or 12 times from back then, and then again with the show...

How many times are they going to dive the same hole when no one has found anything, unless you count a broken chain link and a few other scrap trinkets.

Dave B is a member on one of the FB forums on Oak Island....he said last year it was in the dry when they first dug the shaft and hit a void, explored then, nothing found...so if he was not just BS'n...they shouldn't even be wasting any time on 10x at all...

But then they don't have much of any other way to go..not for the show anyway, 10x, swamp...bout it

 

[etex]

They need to bring BOOM Baby in and he would add some excitement to the show

 

[Honest Samuel]

Canada may believe that coins are artifacts. Canada is paying all the brothers expenses.

 

[gazzahk]

WaBut then they don't have much of any other way to go..not for the show anyway, 10x, swamp...bout it

Yep.. The new hole they plan to dig. I hope they at least dig it over Chapels shaft as the only other thing ever really actually reported was chapels vault (As stated earlier I now believe this was probably an earlier mine shaft/tunnel). It seem that the location of this be pretty easy to work out from the above photo.

What is also so disappointing the two things left of great interest that members here discuss still in detail are both being ignored by the brothers.

The only two real mysteries left...

1. Who built the artificial beach at Smiths cove and why?
2. Is there any validity/credibility in the descendant's story that the treasure has been found?.....

 

[sasquash]

My feeling is that Smiths Cove is the answer.

 

[Roadhse2]

"My feeling is that Smiths Cove is the answer. "

Guess that depends on what the question is since Dunfield found no tunnel when he excavated where the 'supposed' tunnel was said to be.

Can't really blame the guys that reported the tunnel in the first place though since the cofferdam broke before they could explore the, as Dunfield described it, the well or sump. Probably looked like a hole filled with water and to them, made sense to be a tunnel to flood the Money Pit...But that miscue sure has caused a lot of time and cash to be spent searching for a tunnel, that has never been found.

 

[marticus]

No such thing ss flood tunnels guys. Its a gimmek. Its just the wayer table seeping into and holes dug below the sea line. Same as it is here at my work. Seeping through the steel sheets kms from the beach

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[gazzahk]

"My feeling is that Smiths Cove is the answer. "

Guess that depends on what the question is since Dunfield found no tunnel when he excavated where the 'supposed' tunnel was said to be.

Can't really blame the guys that reported the tunnel in the first place though since the cofferdam broke before they could explore the, as Dunfield described it, the well or sump. Probably looked like a hole filled with water and to them, made sense to be a tunnel to flood the Money Pit...But that miscue sure has caused a lot of time and cash to be spent searching for a tunnel, that has never been found.

Yep.. Other than the previously discussed Engineer report

( The Blockhouse Blog - The Oak Island Compendium Does science support a man-made flood tunnel on Oak Island? )

JW: The way I see it, it does not matter whether there was a Money Pit or not. When the first Searchers dug down about 100 feet and were flooded, the water had to have come from a Flood Tunnel. It does not make any sense at all, for a man-made Flood Tunnel to exist without there being a Money Pit that was dug to at least 100 feet. And it does not make much sense either, to have a Flood Tunnel unless the Money Pit went somewhat deeper than 100 feet. So I believe there was a Money Pit and a Flood Tunnel. How else can anyone explain the water?

I have not seen a single thing that supports the man made flood tunnel theory.

Heaps of treasure hunters have looked for it and none have found any evidence. My view is there must be a natural explanation that accounts for the water at 100 foot. (Again another issue the brothers have never explored at all).

If they are so sure that a man made flood tunnel exists why not find it and follow to the pit. It should not be to hard to find. Just drill holes every 5ft or so apart down to say 40 foot near Smiths cove in between that and the beach. If you hit water you have found the flood tunnel.....

The other big problem with the flood tunnel theory in my view (for the sake of speculation) is that the original treasure hiders have created a booby trap that when sprung means they can never recover there treasure. Even if you could block the entrance of the tunnel there would be 500+ foot of water sitting in a tunnel at least the size of a mine shaft flooding the pit.

I would of loved the brothers to consult some more experts about other possible sources of the water at 100 ft. ie could of a historic earth tremor caused a fissure in the glacial till that allowed water to fill up until punctured by the treasure seekers...

 

[gazzahk]

No such thing ss flood tunnels guys. Its a gimmek. Its just the wayer table seeping into and holes dug below the sea line. Same as it is here at my work. Seeping through the steel sheets kms from the beach

This explanation is inconsistent with anything ever reported. Read the Engineers interview. The water come flooding in at speed. There are heaps of tunnels dug lower that saw no water until they suddenly flooded when rupturing a wall



Even when they recently busted into Chapels son old shaft and tried to pump out the water the amount coming in was massive. Not seepage.

I do not believe the flood tunnel theory but there must of been some type of underground fissure full of water and connected to the ocean to be consistent with the treasure seekers experiences...

 

[Roadhse2]

" Just drill holes every 5ft or so apart down to say 40 foot near Smiths cove in between that and the beach. If you hit water you have found the flood tunnel....."

That exact thing was tried back in the 1800's by one of the search groups...5 holes, number 3 flooded and they tried to block it, to no effect, and then tried blowing it up to collapse it (I believe this was the same group, but I won't swear on it, should be easy to find the info though for those interested, some pc problems here so I am not going to look it up) This still didn't change the water flow...

One thing that I don't think has been mentioned much, or thoroughly checked out....Two disturbances were observed in the sea off the side of the island...like large amounts of air/water being released under water, churning the surface in a circular pattern, etc. Both within site of each other a few hundred feet apart and a 100 or so feet offshore....This is also on the side of the side of the island that the Windsor formation (which is tilted under the island) is at it's highest point, made of limestone it is subject to erosion, fissures, natural caverns and vaults...and could explain the water entry in volume into these shafts...

There are pictures of the water churning that were taken around 1970 or so by the Truro company (?) I think...

No one has ever explained why this wasn't looked into...other that it would not fit the narrative of the flood tunnel from Smith's Cove theory...That area should be dived on to see what's there IMO....

 

[marticus]

This explanation is inconsistent with anything ever reported. Read the Engineers interview. The water come flooding in at speed. There are heaps of tunnels dug lower that saw no water until they suddenly flooded when rupturing a wall

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Even when they recently busted into Chapels son old shaft and tried to pump out the water the amount coming in was massive. Not seepage.

I do not believe the flood tunnel theory but there must of been some type of underground fissure full of water and connected to the ocean to be consistent with the treasure seekers experiences...

Wasn't the island mined for pyrite prior to that date. With extensive tunnels and tracks and carts throughout the interier of the island.

I have no doubt in hidden chambers filled with water. Some fresh. Some salt and some brackish. Which is a natrual geological process and can also be known as aquaferes.


Just like this image. As sea level rises the lower chambers fill up.

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[Honest Samuel]

It is a waste of my time to watch this show for the next 30 years, because I won't live that long.

 

[1637]

so the bones they find from kfc?? brad

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Wasn't the island mined for pyrite prior to that date. With extensive tunnels and tracks and carts throughout the interier of the island.

I have no doubt in hidden chambers filled with water. Some fresh. Some salt and some brackish. Which is a natrual geological process and can also be known as aquaferes.
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Just like this image. As sea level rises the lower chambers fill up.

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I tried that suggestion three years ago. They won't listen. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/oak-island/434124-season-two-nov-4-2014-9-00-pm-3.html#post4231831

Perhaps it is not man made at all - just a glacial sink-hole beside the shore that filled in with logs and flotsam over time.

http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/pubs/fullt...9/20090012.pdf

Karst Landform - The Canadian Encyclopedia

And is Nova Scotia an area with gypsum/Karst strata where such features might form? Yes indeed.

The Gypsum karsts and caves of the Canadian Maritimes | Max Moseley - Academia.edu

Even explains the "channel" out to the bay. But no pirates or Knights Templar so what fun is that?​

 

[marticus]

I tried that suggestion three years ago. They won't listen. http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/oak-island/434124-season-two-nov-4-2014-9-00-pm-3.html#post4231831

Some people wont accept the most obvious and simplist fact.
C1 is the same. 10x the same. The other c4? The same. All natrual underground caverns. All filed with tidal flow water.

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[Roadhse2]

Bones would be more likely found to be from a dog, cat, chickens, cattle that were raised on the island, or any kind of farm or wild creature, since the island has been inhabited from at least the mid 1700's...

Than anything or one related to a treasure...