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The lady states here father got it from his father who received it from his father. Next in response to Martyr’s question of has it been dated. She replies she has taken it to several jewelers and was told it could be as old as 500 years.

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The article from Dan Hennigar is a seperate source from 8 years earlier giving a near identical account from one of the sisters told the brothers. The additional information given here is that the cross

"She tells me she now owns the cross and had it examined by appraisers who told her the cross was over 600 years old and was not poured or molded, but was hammered and hand formed, shaped, and is beautiful."

The other evidence refereed to in this interview is that other physical evidence exists in that that additional treasure remains in the family.
The author goes on to give his opinion that he found the story credible.

The source for the claims regarding the cross is the same in both the story from the show and from Hennigar: the sister. There has been nothing presented to support that claim... no metallurgical analysis, no examination from experts in 1400's jewelry, nothing to confirm that the cross actually came from Oak Island. There is no evidence here. There are only statements with nothing to validate them.

Written news articles of eyewitness accounts of stuff are one of the main sources of secondary evidence about almost everything in history since the invention of the printing press.

https://chnm.gmu.edu/worldhistorysources/unpacking/newshow.html

The next piece of evidence is the 1929 newspaper article by Driscoll in which he quotes from an interview he had with John McInnies. In this article (which is shown in the blog article) McInnies states that his great grandfather was one of those who discovered treasure on oak island.

From the link that you provided above: "Newspapers are often the first kind of source historians of the past two centuries will turn to for gathering evidence, but historians rarely rely on newspaper evidence alone. ... But when historians use newspapers in this way, they proceed with caution, as newspapers often include factual errors and always reflect a point of view. Newspaper reports are frequently incomplete, biased, and/or inaccurate."

The existance of the tresadsure map as evidence is supported by oral history of people that had seen it. This again would require George McInnis to also be lying for no reason if this was not true.

The map existance is supportred by written evidence from a quoted book written in 1899 This is almost 100 years earlier then the account t given by the authors interview of George.

"Oral History" has it that not too long ago in New Ross, NS, leprechauns would steal cars and take them on joy rides. This has been confirmed in writing by Joan Hope. Does that mean it really happened? It's true that Oral history CAN be a valuable tool. It CAN be a great way to pass down stories from generation to generation. It CAN also be a great way for mistakes, errors, and outright lies to be passed own, as evidenced by the game 'Telephone'. Did George McInnis have a map? Maybe. it might even have been a map of Oak Island. Maybe it was map outlining the sawmill that was on the island at one point that George found while cleaning out his dead grandfather's desk, and concluded it must have been a treasure map. Maybe that assumption was made by one of George's ancestors, and that assumption was passed down as part of this 'oral history'. That other people may have seen this map may support the existence of a map, but it does nothing to confirm the nature of the map ... treasure map, survey map, whatever. People who are shown a map and are told that it is a treasure map will believe that it is a treasure map, whether it is or not. Again. There is no evidence here. Just claims.

The next evidence that is referred to is the physical evidence that was seen by D.Greagory and quoted in a 1991 newspaper article

"In or around 1925, his grandmother showed him a wooden trunk containing about 25 heavy white canvas bags of gold. His grandmother was Lucy Vaughan, relative of Anthony Vaughan….was said to have come from Oak Island."

this is now from a Vaughan descendant.

This is not evidence at all, let alone physical evidence. This is a statement. The trunk itself would be physical evidence of this Vaughan statement. Then, even if the trunk were available (it isn't though ... none of the 'physical evidence' regarding a treasure at Oak Island is available. None of the maps, stones, gold ...) how would we establish provenance? How could it be proved that the trunk (or gold for that matter) came from Oak Island?

So this would now require the conspiracy of lies to not just be the Mc Ginnis family but also the Vaughan family if the whole finding treasure is a lie without evidence.

Nothing as dramatic as a 'conspiracy of lies'. One mischievous family member who had got into the rum would be all it took. Not a rare creature around here.

The claim that parts of the island were purchased by the families was even supported in the last episode with the old map showing the MC Ginnes family to be part owners of the island from the date of the map. The question of where the descendants got the money to buy up oak island is circumstantial evidence that supports the story also.

"They bought property on the island, therefore, they found treasure on the island." That seems like quite the stretch to think that the only way that they could have purchased this land was through some found treasure. That they purchased part of the island is evidence that they had access to enough money or credit to buy that land. Nothing more. People bought land all the time at that point ... did they all find treasure to pay for it?

The next evidence is the physical evidence of the three chests found by Fred Nolan in the swamp. This is supported by documentary evidence backed up with sworn affidavits that the chests were found. Sworn affidavits are even acceptable evidence in court cases.

The chests are physical evidence that is supportive of the story that the boys found thee chests.

The affidavits state that three chests were found in the swamp. They are evidence of nothing more. There is nothing to link these chests to 'the boys' (who were actually grown men at the time they were alleged to have found this treasure). Where are these chests now, by the way? It would be interesting to have them dated and examined by someone credible to determine whether they were 'treasure chests' or cargo from one of the many groups of treasure hunters who have tore up the island over the years. Funny that hasn't happened.

The final piece of evidence referred to is also physical evidence
There is other physical remains from the treasure that can at some point be viewed and dated…..

If the cross is not being dated and the other evidence not being checked this is because the Laginas are choosing not to do it. It is not because these things do not exist…..

Again, this is not evidence. This is a claim that physical evidence exists.

Therefore as said earlier I really do not understand you point that no evidence was offered or exists… You may not find the evidence very convincing but that does not stop it from being evidence…..

I'll stand by my statement that no evidence was presented in the Blockhouse blog that you had linked to. A lot of stories and claims, but absolutely nothing to support or validate them.
 

From the link that you provided above: "Newspapers are often the first kind of source historians of the past two centuries will turn to for gathering evidence, but historians rarely rely on newspaper evidence alone. ... But when historians use newspapers in this way, they proceed with caution, as newspapers often include factual errors and always reflect a point of view. Newspaper reports are frequently incomplete, biased, and/or inaccurate."

This is a great point. The "Search for the Lost Giants" mini series uncovered multiple newspaper clippings from the 18th and 19th centuries, which bordered on sensationalism regarding the discovery of giant bones.

I was also curious as to what happened to the 3 chests Nolan discovered in the swamp (if that story is real). It seems odd to me that there isn't even any photographic evidence of these so called chests, especially of discovered in the last 50 years. My gut tells me that something was found by Nolan, but wasn't further investigated since the chests (or probably boxes) were clearly from the 20th century.
 

Maybe someone could explain why they cannot work out the exact location of Chappells shaft from the picture below. Surely there must be enough distinct reference points to work out gps coordinates

From the picture of Cahppels shaft shown on this document

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source:

http://www.oakislandcompendium.ca/u..._island_mystery_toronto_les_m_may_22_2013.pdf


If they new the location why not drill the hole there?

Everyone should read the compendium referenced here. I see from reading it that the Curse of Hoax Island has ZERO credibility as anything other a money grubbing fictional TV show.
 

The "Show" stated that it was from a Galleon...But!

Are you under the belief that the nail found in the swamp is part of a Galleon?

I am "Under the Belief" that the Spanish and English of the 18th Century used Spikes like these to secure heavy Beams in their Ships, Railroads, Bridges and Mines.

It has been well documented by the finds of Treasure Hunters who have found 18th Century Spanish Galleons' Spikes.

Ship spikes.JPG

I am much more of the "Belief" that on a small ocean island like Oak Island the use for spikes would come from their Ships or Shafts.

Spikes for Ships.JPG
 

I am "Under the Belief" that the Spanish and English of the 18th Century used Spikes like these to secure heavy Beams in their Ships, Railroads, Bridges and Mines.

It has been well documented by the finds of Treasure Hunters who have found 18th Century Spanish Galleons' Spikes.

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I am much more of the "Belief" that on a small ocean island like Oak Island the use for spikes would come from their Ships or Shafts.

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That sure looks like a lot of spikes/nails used. One would think there would be quite a few more than just one found if a whole Spanish galleon was sunk in only a few feet of water in a man made swamp.
 

for the record, I see nothing in this pic that remotely could be mistaken
for a railroad spike or even a partial one.

Ship spikes.JPG
 

Nice thing about Ones' Beliefs...Is the Ability to Change them with More Information!

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The Oak Island Museum claims an old Rail Car from Oak Island, used to haul and dispose of materials.

Where there is a Rail Car there should be a Railroad Line, and then Railroad Spikes.

The Railroad Spike was invented in 1832.

Oak-Island-rail-car-490x374.jpg
 

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I was reading some of the other articles on the blockhouse blog and thought this one was interesting

Does science*support*a man-made flood tunnel on Oak Island? The Blockhouse Blog - The Oak Island Compendium

Does anyone know if what the "expert" claims about the Glacial till is correct or questionable.

For the record I highly doubt the flood tunnel existence....
 

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Just found another interesting thing in the blog articles
What is being overlooked is the historical fact that Spanish dollars were a very common form of currency in colonial Nova Scotia....Another reason why Spanish currency was in abundance was*because*ships from our coastal communities*carried on a brisk and regular trade with the West Indies. In addition to coming home laden with traded goods from those islands (even perhaps coconut fibre), they came home with chests and purses full of Spanish coin.*So, if Anthony Graves was seen buying things in Chester with Spanish 'pieces of eight", guess what? No big deal.
http://www.oakislandcompendium.ca/blockhouse-blog/spanish-dollars-sure-we-take-those-here

So much for them finding Spanish coins .......
 

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I'll stand by my statement that no evidence was presented in the Blockhouse blog that you had linked to. A lot of stories and claims, but absolutely nothing to support or validate them.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.. I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree over the meaning of the term 'evidence'... Still I do hope that one of the up and coming episodes addresses the claims in more detail...
 

The spike was the ULTIMATE PROOF.........lol

"Were gonna drain the swamp"........!!!!!

Now we know where Trump is getting his one liners from......
 

Yes, when I was there in the 80's there were tracks and at least one mining cart on them. I recall seeing at least 100 feet of track. Since this spike looks exactly like the millions of railway spikes used by CP and CN throughout Canada, I would think it's safe to say that it's likely from the mining rail.

I believe a mining cart is now on display in the museum at the entrance of the island.
I would agree. I visited the island in the late 1970's, I believe it was, and yes there were tracks along with huge amounts of junk.
Bruce
 

I agree that it appears to be a railroad spike but has anyone talked about that long plank that was found? That seems to add some possibility that it is a ship's remains. Maybe the plank was discussed already in this thread. It's too long for me to go through it all.
 

I agree that it appears to be a railroad spike but has anyone talked about that long plank that was found? That seems to add some possibility that it is a ship's remains. Maybe the plank was discussed already in this thread. It's too long for me to go through it all.

I think the so called plank was an attempt at a mud bridge,
to be used like the boards they are using.

if I'm not mistaken they admitted it was too Flimsy to be a deck board
in one breath & in another the announcer suggested
the Spike may have come from it :tongue3:

Of course the Announcer sounds like a Moron anyway
 

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I didn't see this Part Aired.


That night, the Oak Island crew celebrates Drayton’s find in a local bar. They discuss the difference between railroad spikes, which Drayton’s discovery appears to be to the ignorant observer, and old ship nails, which Drayton maintains the artifact actually is. They agree to have the artifact analyzed by a professional who will be able to definitively determine its nature.

But "ignorant observer" ? someones full of themselves .


Personally I know what I see.
If they pull a switch it will be obvious
 

Franklin

It means there is a ship at the bottom of that sinkhole. :icon_scratch:

Not exactly I told you it was an 1830's dinky roailroad spike and that is what it is.
 

I didn't see this Part Aired.




But "ignorant observer" ? someones full of themselves .


Personally I know what I see.
If they pull a switch it will be obvious

I saw that part. He basically says it's too small to be a railroad spike.
 

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