Season "3" of Curse of Oak Island

[Dave Rishar]

Was Helge Ingstad fantasizing about a Viking presence in North America before he discovered the proof at L'Anse aux Meadows?

Did the Ingstads spend two and a half centuries digging up an island with nothing to show for it, or did they hit the mark the first time? And if the latter happened, why?

Apples and oranges, my friend.

 

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[lokiblossom]

Did the Ingstads spend two and a half centuries digging up an island with nothing to show for it, or did they hit the mark the first time? And if the latter happened, why?

Apples and oranges, my friend.

Not at all, you wrote "belief not based on proof is fantasy" which in reality is the definition of faith. Fantasy is something produced by the imagination. The Ingstads had faith not proof, doesn't matter how long it took. The expected second coming of Jesus has been 2000 years, is the belief a faith or a fantasy, you decide?
Cheers, Loki

 

[Mr bigshot]

Personally I like the show. Sure it goes over the same things every five minutes. Pretty sure the producers are the reason they skip around to this and that with very little to no order that makes any sense. I would also bet the producers are the reason we seem to get a new theory every week. I will also admit they are very good at creative editing for upcoming shows.
I watch it because it is about treasure hunting and I hope to learn more about the situation than I already knew. I also like the cast and find them personable. Rick has a passion for the search that many of us can relate to. I'm sure they have an agenda even though it is hard to tell. There seems to be a lot edited out of the shows that would explain what the cast is thinking, or at least I hope so. Pretty sure they don't buy into all the crazy theories either.
Do I think there is some great treasure on oak island? I don't know. I think there is a small possibility but I really hope there is. For me the treasure is in the mystery. Has it all been for naught? Quite possibly yes, and if so what is the real story. I agree with everyone else that they go about things in a way that doesn't seem logical, but then again we all seem to have different ideas how we would go about things. I will continue to watch for now. Still better reality TV then the kardashian crap and what passes for entertainment today.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Was Helge Ingstad fantasizing about a Viking presence in North America before he discovered the proof at L'Anse aux Meadows?

Fantasy or faith? That is the question.

Cheers, Loki

I don't think he was fantasizing or acting on faith. I think he had a theory and pursued it in a logical and scientific manner and compiled a great deal of hard and measureable evidence that could verify his eventual hypothesis and be confirmed by other people.

Quite the guy. He was a real renaissance man and rugged explorer.

Helge Ingstad, Discoverer of Viking Site, Is Dead at 101 - NYTimes.com

 

[jeff of pa]

I'm surprised no one has decided that is where Poseidon lives.
or Hades

 

[gazzahk]

I'm surprised no one has decided that is where Poseidon lives.
or Hades

WOW do they... Quick ring Marty and Rick and you can get yourself on the telly

 

[Gold Maven]

10x is a death trap, they sent a camera down, and it didn't show anything more than a cavern. If there was a giant treasure there, I think they would have got a glimpse of it.

The underwater triangle rock was a let down, but did they even have the right rock? They send the Archie down, he finds a triangle rock that seems smaller than what they expected, and bam, the search is over. Back to the bar.

If I have that many divers there, everyone is searching in all directions as long as possible.

The glimpse of a sword we got, looked a little too perfect. I expect it to be one of those teasers that turn out to be absolutely nothing.

The show is still keeping my interest, but barely. I guess it's better than talking to the wife.....

 

[lokiblossom]

I don't think he was fantasizing or acting on faith. I think he had a theory and pursued it in a logical and scientific manner and compiled a great deal of hard and measureable evidence that could verify his eventual hypothesis and be confirmed by other people.

Quite the guy. He was a real renaissance man and rugged explorer.

Helge Ingstad, Discoverer of Viking Site, Is Dead at 101 - NYTimes.com

Yes he did and don't forget his wife, but still no actual proof. He had faith in his work and pursued it. Many scholars did not believe in his theorys.

Cheers, Loki

 

[lisfisher]

I just don't understand how someone 300 or more years ago, with nothing more than hand shovels and a crew, would not only spend the time on, but to dig a hole so intricate that's 140 feet deep or more, with "booby traps" that flood the hole, to bury a treasure. I would think that anyone in their right mind who wanted to bury something of value, would want relatively quick access to it when they returned to recover it. Could there be some buried loot on the island that was never recovered? Sure, why not. Look at Barry Clifford's search for the Whydah, everyone thought he was nuts, until he located the motherlode. I just think that the extreme deep digging on oak island {10x,money pit} is a huge waste of time and is only done to keep the show going.

 

[Rock22]

I am just about done with this show! Not much fun anymore. I have no faith at all in anyone digging that deep with a shovel to bury such valuable treasure to just leave it there.

 

[Hitndahed]

That underwater stone triangle was a big letdown. The one that got the most camera time did not look much like the sonar scan (on sonar it looked much more defined), and the bigger rock was completely covered in plants so we could not see its shape. Boo.

As for the teased Roman sword, I have serious doubts. Fake decorative swords can be found on ebay that look almost exactly the same. Unless they can prove it's really ancient I would not go "all in" on that item.

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First thing I would have done with those rocks was clean them so a positive or reasonable determination could be made that they were worked by man.
That sword,,, I also thought that was fake as hell too. Even the wife, who tortures herself by watching it with me, said "that's fake".
BUT
On the other side of the coin, there is AMPLE "evidence" that "something" went on there,, a long time ago.
I still think it is either well of sorts or a mine from a time previous.
I think too that I would do a real survey of the rest of the island now that they supposedly have Fred Nolan aboard.
The ex slave who ended up buying a considerable amount of land I think is the key they should be also looking at.
Since there is "evidence" of him supposedly paying "bills" with old gold and silver coinage.

 

[Jason in Enid]

..... Look at Barry Clifford's search for the Whydah, everyone thought he was nuts, until he located the motherlode. I just think that the extreme deep digging on oak island {10x,money pit} is a huge waste of time and is only done to keep the show going.

That is the difference between fantasy and reality. Barry used local reports about past shipwrecks and evidence recovered along the shore for a basis and them went searching. When he didn't find it at the first spot, he didn't say "I know it's here, so I'll just keep digging deeper into the ocean floor." He marked off that area and searched the next, and the next. Searching for something lost or hidden is about spending a lot of time finding where it isn't, NOT making up excuses and spending forever digging in one spot.

 

[Mike Mercury]

10x is a death trap, they sent a camera down, and it didn't show anything more than a cavern. If there was a giant treasure there, I think they would have got a glimpse of it.

yep; dangerous at the least - for a diver to go all the way to the bottom. Besides any disturbance of the silt by rovers & such - has quickly taken away all the visability.

Personally I like the show.

same here.

a message to Marty Lagina, Rick Lagina, and Dan Blakenship.... as the on-screen participants in this "reality" series - I like you guys; you have a "genuine" quality about yourselves. And now in season 3.... this might be the remaining reason I still watch new episodes.

a message to Prometheus Entertainment, the shows production company.... you're blowing it by directing & narrating this show as if it's "Ancient Aliens 2". Cut down on the "what if's...."; it is getting to the point of ridiculousness.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Yes he did and don't forget his wife, but still no actual proof. He had faith in his work and pursued it. Many scholars did not believe in his theorys.

Cheers, Loki

Nah. I think you and I have a semantic disagreement on the definition of "faith".

When I go metal detecting it is not with the faith that I will find anything of value. I go where I have expectations something of value was lost and it will be there regardless of whether I have faith it is or not. I have confidence in my technique and equipment but I don't have faith that my detector will work properly.

That's the problem at Oak Island. People are arriving in faith that this, that or the other thing is there rather than examining the site to see what may or may not be there based on facts and physical evidence.

 

[lisfisher]

Then there was the one Spanish coin that was found. I wouldn't consider that as any evidence of something bigger whatsoever. Spanish coinage was common currency back then. Even if they did find something, how could one ever believe it wasn't planted there being it's pretty much a reality tv show? Then there's all the buried timbers, logs, stumps, manmade {cut} wood of all sorts. Well of course your going to dig those up, after all, the entire island has been turned upside down over the years between treasure hunters digging hundreds of large holes,boring shafts and the original mining operation as well.

 

[lokiblossom]

Nah. I think you and I have a semantic disagreement on the definition of "faith".

When I go metal detecting it is not with the faith that I will find anything of value. I go where I have expectations something of value was lost and it will be there regardless of whether I have faith it is or not. I have confidence in my technique and equipment but I don't have faith that my detector will work properly.

That's the problem at Oak Island. People are arriving in faith that this, that or the other thing is there rather than examining the site to see what may or may not be there based on facts and physical evidence.

My original argument was with Dave Rishar, who claimed that "belief not based on proof is fantasy" which I disagreed with. So in retrospect I cannot agree with you. We may have a disagreement on the definition of "faith" but from Dictionary.com; "He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact". Dave had made a statement that was black and white, meaning, anyone that had faith in a thesis before actually proving it was living a fantasy. Is that what you agree with?
I do understand that some are living in a fantasy world with their faith based beliefs, but certainly not everybody, can you agree with that?
Cheers, Loki

 

[Jason in Enid]

I do understand that some are living in a fantasy world with their faith based beliefs, but certainly not everybody, can you agree with that?
Cheers, Loki

Nope. The lack of any physical evidence recoverd shows the entire thing to be fantasy. Faith is part of religion. Are you saying that the oak island treasure is now just a religious pursuit and as long the searchers have enough faith they will eventually dig up the religious treasure if they can only dig a deep enough hole?

 

[Mr.Rust]

I think the show is freaking awesome, well except the way it's made!
But again, it would be a 15 min show if you didn't get all the god damn "what ifs" and all the recaps.
However, i would personally go back and research everything that they couldn't do in previous seasons
because the land was owned by Fred Nolan. for example check out the swamp.
the 10x i still think is interesting because of the possible "dead guy" and who is to say that the cavern didn't have any tunnels to it?
It could might as well have collapsed? i would check it out if i had a possibility to do so, but i would get a metal detector down there first though.
But what really needs to be done in my opinion is to dig a massive hole down to the cement encased wooden object found close to (or in) the original money pit.
when they drilled the test hole. Also i would get about 20+ people with metal detectors to do a grid-search of the entire island. Just because there is no way someone dug those holes and tunnels without leaving traces of they're origin on land ... I would sign up for that any day, even if i didn't get to keep a thing.

My biggest worry now though is that ratings fall because of the shitty way its made, and it goes of air before they ever find anything :/

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

We may have a disagreement on the definition of "faith" but from Dictionary.com; "He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact". I do understand that some are living in a fantasy world with their faith based beliefs, but certainly not everybody, can you agree with that?

I'm good with that provided a person's operating theory/thesis is presented as flimsy indeed until it is supported or proven. Faith is usually a dogmatic belief in something that facts cannot penetrate. I guess I'm running with faith vs. opinion. World of difference in how you maintain it within your own mind or present your concept to others.

Classic argument: belief in God proves nothing because Satan knows for a fact that God exists, and look where he ended up.

 

[lokiblossom]

Nope. The lack of any physical evidence recoverd shows the entire thing to be fantasy. Faith is part of religion. Are you saying that the oak island treasure is now just a religious pursuit and as long the searchers have enough faith they will eventually dig up the religious treasure if they can only dig a deep enough hole?

Wow, we can't end this can we? Faith can be part of religion, but not only a part of religion. No, I never said that the Oak Island treasure is part of a religious pursuit. As a matter of fact, I never said there was an Oak Island treasure. And, you certainly have the right to call the entire thing a fantasy if you wish, I just don't happen to fully agree with you. There are a few things with Oak Island that fall into my own pet theory and TreasureFinder is working on another part, even though he doesn't know it.
Cheers, Loki