Season "3" of Curse of Oak Island

[gazzahk]

Is the treasure still in this cavern?

I believe it was removed in 1795

Here are the two questions. Was there ever treasure there? and Is the treasure that was there still there?

We have seen the rich ex-slave rags to riches story and someone else paying people with ancient coins.

I would think myself the only way the people who buried the treasure did not come back and get it would of been if there boat had sunk and the location lost.

So the odds would be if there was a treasure once buried there it was removed before now.

Still we will not know for sure unless they dig the pit.....

 

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[cw0909]

hard to believe smith cove looks like it does today

The following aerial photo of Smith’s Cove was taken during excavation work in 1970. Robert indicates (1) the previous searcher’s coffer dam, (2) the location of where coconut fiber was found, (3) the “U” shaped log structures and (4) Triton’s 1970 coffer dam. Here is an aerial view of the workings exposed after much of the work was done and a lot of soil and rocks were removed from the Smith’s Cove area.

for more excavations check menu
Smith?s Cove ? a closer look at Oak Island?s artificial beach | Oak Island Treasure

 

[Roadhse2]

New year, new theory...

I think they will get another even bigger backhoe, dig next to a rock with a arrow pointing down carved into it, find a large 'vault' at 6 feet down, grab a 24 foot ladder to enter it, find a VW with a swastika painted on the roof and 2 tunnels...one pointing to Germany and the other to Argentina....

Then move on to the swamp.....

 

[Mike Mercury]

I believe there may still be treasure there; but I don't think it's located in the area the series has concentrated at the first two seasons.

If you read about Oak Island inhabitants from the past - who seemed to have wealth "newly manufactured" for them by just owning land on the island - . none of them had parcels in the swamp/money pit area.

Pirates/illuminati were crafty dudes, I don't imagine they would bury all their goodies in just one spot (there's old saying about not putting all your eggs in one basket). There are probably undiscovered caches still on the island.

 

[Roadhse2]

For a serious look at what is going on, and has gone on at Oak Island...read this article about the original owners and the swamp...

Salt was the treasure, as the orignal owners of the island ran a fish company and needed salt to preserve them...

Very interesting if you read the whole thing including appendix's

Blankenship knew this in the 70's when he uncovered the drains, well, etc...So the Laginas of course know of these findings...

Geologists also explain the 'vaults' and how the water moves to the pits...

Dennis King's article on the "Finger Drains"

I lean toward scientific/historical research, not myth...

I also think the former slave that was suddenly wealthy may have uncovered or found a hidden or washed up cache of coins...but that is all of the treasure to be found on the island.

 

[lokiblossom]

For a serious look at what is going on, and has gone on at Oak Island...read this article about the original owners and the swamp...

Salt was the treasure, as the orignal owners of the island ran a fish company and needed salt to preserve them...

Very interesting if you read the whole thing including appendix's

Blankenship knew this in the 70's when he uncovered the drains, well, etc...So the Laginas of course know of these findings...

Geologists also explain the 'vaults' and how the water moves to the pits...

Dennis King's article on the "Finger Drains"

I lean toward scientific/historical research, not myth...

I also think the former slave that was suddenly wealthy may have uncovered or found a hidden or washed up cache of coins...but that is all of the treasure to be found on the island.

I have discussed this with Dennis before. Firstly, I believe my reasoning was why he changed his first views on the subject, ie filtering the seawater. Secondly, his next theory would be very time consuming, meaning someone would have to be home constantly, not just for a week or two. Third, he does not take into account the dating of the coconut fibre itself, which was even known before he published his theory.
Cheers, Loki

 

[Robot]

A Riddle...Yes...There was Treasure Once...and Yes...There is Treasure Still!

Here are the two questions. Was there ever treasure there? and Is the treasure that was there still there?

We have seen the rich ex-slave rags to riches story and someone else paying people with ancient coins.

I would think myself the only way the people who buried the treasure did not come back and get it would of been if there boat had sunk and the location lost.

So the odds would be if there was a treasure once buried there it was removed before now.

Still we will not know for sure unless they dig the pit.....

The answer is: The Treasure there now is of a different kind

 

[Mike Mercury]

I think they will get another even bigger backhoe, dig next to a rock with a arrow pointing down ... grab a 24 foot ladder to enter it, find a VW with a swastika painted on the roof ...

LOL


The only way they will find the VW though... is if the ladder they use... was once owned by Peter Hurkos.

 

[Roadhse2]

"I have discussed this with Dennis before. Firstly, I believe my reasoning was why he changed his first views on the subject, ie filtering the seawater. Secondly, his next theory would be very time consuming, meaning someone would have to be home constantly, not just for a week or two. Third, he does not take into account the dating of the coconut fibre itself, which was even known before he published his theory.
Cheers, Loki "

His theory is a proven concept though as a way to retrieve salt from the sea, even if time consuming....when you need it, the time to do so means little. Yes, i am sure they would need men to be 'home' as you put it....but they owned a fishing organization, this would just be a part of the same as having a crew on the boats to do the actual fishing...hired manpower.

Dating the fiber has never made sense to me, any fiber could be much older than the time period it is used in...and since it was in general use as packing materials for centuries. reused again and again...so to me the fiber date doesn't disprove the logic of the salt recovery theory as being the reason for the box drains....especially when no one to date has ever found even one of the 'flood tunnels' and every expedtition that has searched came away with the same answer, there are none....just part of the fable.

The rest of his articles are a very sensible timeline of actual events as far as known of the island and the hunt for the treasure...

Oak Island Research | Critical Enquiry - Deconstructing pseudohistory since 1999!

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[Roadhse2]

"The answer is: The Treasure there now is of a different kind--Robot"

The question then becomes...

Why would anybody bury a treasure later on Oak Island, that they want to recover at some point, when it has been the site of active treasure hunters for so long?

Not a very good way to secure anything you want to come back to get later....

 

[Mike Mercury]

BTW, the guy in the dark suit with arm extended ...... is Ferdinand Porsche.

Dating the fiber has never made sense to me...

it holds up sooooooo well, that the date harvested is moot. It may have been first gathered on a specific date, but kept/stored many years before actually being used.

Why would anybody bury a treasure later on Oak Island, that they want to recover at some point, when it has been the site of active treasure hunters for so long?

the latter treasure found (and yet to be found) may be from shipwrecks - just offshore of the island.

 

[Robot]

Another Riddle...How can a Treasure be Hidden...But...Not Buried!

"The answer is: The Treasure there now is of a different kind--Robot"

The question then becomes...

Why would anybody bury a treasure later on Oak Island, that they want to recover at some point, when it has been the site of active treasure hunters for so long?

Not a very good way to secure anything you want to come back to get later....

The Answer: Knowledge
The explanation as to: What this treasure consisted of, Why this treasure was originally buried, Who buried it, and How this treasure was used to "Change History" and to "Change Mankind"!

 

[Roadhse2]

Mike....I did like the Peter Hurkos tie in with the ladder though...so obscure not many will 'get it'...lol

 

[lokiblossom]

"I have discussed this with Dennis before. Firstly, I believe my reasoning was why he changed his first views on the subject, ie filtering the seawater. Secondly, his next theory would be very time consuming, meaning someone would have to be home constantly, not just for a week or two. Third, he does not take into account the dating of the coconut fibre itself, which was even known before he published his theory.
Cheers, Loki "

His theory is a proven concept though as a way to retrieve salt from the sea, even if time consuming....when you need it, the time to do so means little. Yes, i am sure they would need men to be 'home' as you put it....but they owned a fishing organization, this would just be a part of the same as having a crew on the boats to do the actual fishing...hired manpower.

Dating the fiber has never made sense to me, any fiber could be much older than the time period it is used in...and since it was in general use as packing materials for centuries. reused again and again...so to me the fiber date doesn't disprove the logic of the salt recovery theory as being the reason for the box drains....especially when no one to date has ever found even one of the 'flood tunnels'

Why would anybody use century old packing material? Btw, it was also made into rope (coir). And why would they not just bring the necessary salt with them? Also, no historian has ever mentioned making salt in the period we are discussing in New France, which I assume is around the middle of the 16th century. Nope, the dating almost proves the Templars brought it. And, the Templar artifacts are not on Oak Island.
Cheers, Loki

 

[Mike Mercury]

Mike....I did like the Peter Hurkos tie in with the ladder though...so obscure not many will 'get it'...lol

WOW; I didn't know people here were as old as I was !!!!!

Uri Geller... is another - for the slightly younger members

I once watched Hurkos live on television; must of been in the mid to late 1960's

It was the Phil Donohue show, BEFORE Donohue went national. Phil had a local show here in Dayton Ohio. Although Hurkos act may have been mostly a parlor trick; I did enjoy watching him tell people of what their problems were, before they even spoke a word to him.

Oh well; back on subject.

 

[captain1965]

if you believe in the premis that there are 5 man-made tunnel-drains leading from the swamp - converging in the money pit....

back in the late 1700's there were early attempts to extract drinking water from sea water. This was attempted back then using elaborate filters; though crude in design.... due to the available materials at the time. The tunnels from Smiths cove going inland were likely a part of a filtration experiment; and not intended as a boobytrap for buried treasure. Downwind from the filters - there needs to be a collection spot... or "cistern".

Coconut fiber was used in that era as a filtration medium; it filtered liquids rather well, and doesn't disintegrate rapidly. Coconut fibers are akin to our modern day treated lumber; holds up well in a wet environment.

Oak Island already had a natural depression/pit inland, to where this filtered water could be collected and analyized. It's possible that the natural depression was dug deeper/wider to better facilitate the filtered water.

Interesting, that it could also be the exact opposite; that the end product wasn't to be drinking water... but an attempt to harvest salt from seawater. And as an added bonus - de-salinated water at the same time.

I know what you're thinking.... "well MM, so you don't believe there is treasure buried on Oak Island then?"

there are too many stories around; that go way back. What I believe is that this "cistern" and 5 "filter" tunnels have nothing to do with the location of buried treasure. In other words, the treasure hunting is being done at the wrong spot on the island. And this is one reason why I think the Oak Island team has steered into Nolans path. He also concentrated on areas of the island that are not a part of the Smiths Cove swamp ; while Dan Blakenship zero'd in on the swamp and "cistern" area (and after all those years - never found anything at this specific area of the Island).

You nailed it. I've been saying this as well but have not found many who agree. It is hydraulically perfect for a giant sand filter. A failed attempt at desalination. Failures rarely get acknowledged in history.

 

[Roadhse2]

Why would anybody use century old packing material? Btw, it was also made into rope (coir). And why would they not just bring the necessary salt with them? Also, no historian has ever mentioned making salt in the period we are discussing in New France, which I assume is around the middle of the 16th century. Nope, the dating almost proves the Templars brought it. And, the Templar artifacts are not on Oak Island.
Cheers, Loki

http://www.citcem.org/encontro/pdf/new_01/TEXTO - Jeremy Greenwood.pdf

"A major change in salt production technology occurred
from
late
Roman times
(or
later)
when
a new process was introduced in which
brine
was used instead of sea
water
.
The brine was
made by sand washing (also known as sleeching)
.
Between
successive maximum
(spring) high tides, there is a period of about three weeks
during which the salt water impregnated ground, near the high water mark, may dry
out by natural evaporation so that its surface contains dried salt. The surface sand
was scraped off the beach (o
r other littoral site) and stored in primitive roofed
enclosures. This salt
-
impregnated material was then washed with fresh water to
produce brine and then filtered into
sunken receptacles or ‘sumps’"

"How and why the new technology was
introduced remains a mystery though it appear
s the technique possibly spread from
southwest France"

I didnt say they used centuries old fiber, only that any found 'could' be centuries old as it has been transported AND also washed onto Oak Island for 100's (1000's?) of years....so dating any found doesnt mean much

Also...salt was a valuable resource and highly taxed, a pretty good reason to make your own if you can...

 

[Roadhse2]

"You nailed it. I've been saying this as well but have not found many who agree. It is hydraulically perfect for a giant sand filter. A failed attempt at desalination. Failures rarely get acknowledged in history."

Captain, I would agree with you....except....current and past residents of Oak Island use(d) dug wells to get their water, including the Blankenships now...So fresh water was not hard to get on Oak Island at anytime in the past or currently.

 

[captain1965]

Looks like a sand filter to me. Doesn't look like a treasure vault. I would dig to the money pit until we can see how the lumber was attached to the bedrock. If is notched above the lumber then it's holding back pressure. Smoking gun as a filter IMHO

 

[captain1965]

Maybe whatever culture created this believed it would have a greater resupply rate than a local well. Water rights are very valuable. If someone had successfully created a desalination filter of this magnitude how valuable would that be?