QUESTIONABLE INFORMATION POSTED AS FACT CONCERNING THE BEALE TALE

ECS said:
Which guy?
The one that posts this glaringly made up misinformation, or the one that brings attention to it not being accurate or even true?
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Is that like a Witch Doctor person? How could you possibly be a judge of truth? :hello:
 

...and the purpose and point of your question, shaman?
It appears that you are the one making judgements.
 

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franklin said:
The whole story of the Beale Treasure was made up over 15 years after Robert Morris had died. About the only person that had the knowledge of the Western Country was paymaster James Beverly Ward or Sherman. Nothing but a story. The codes were made out of an 1878 History Book with the DOI in the Appendix. Sorry folks no treasure to find.
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Ward's Hutter and Kennerly cousins had knowledge of the "Western Country" as well has 2nd cousin Julia Hancock who married William Clark who known for his journeys with Merriweather Lewis.
Giles Ward's Lynchburg bookstore sold all manner of books available to his son, James Beverly Ward, for research.
 

By researching where they lived at various times, as St Louis, the Gateway to the West, where even James Beverly Ward spent some time, but when past St Louis, the descriptions of Santa Fe and Colorado have rather vague references in the Beale Papers.
 

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ECS said:
By researching where they lived at various times, as St Louis, the Gateway to the West, where even James Beverly Ward spent some time, but when past St Louis, the descriptions of Santa Fe and Colorado have rather vague references in the Beale Papers.
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HOWEVER, Santa Fe Trail WAS used to get to that area; it became a "source" for the JOB PRINT, after TJB was elected "Captain" of a "Military formation"...
 

If there ever was a TJB that was elected "Captain" outside of the Beale Papers story.
 

ECS said:
Curios statements in the Hart Papers begin with Clayton Hart given 8 sheets of paper with cipher numbers by N H Hazelwood to copy, but the Beale Papers only had 3 sheets that number by order of length by the "unknown author".
Then there is this: " We secured confirmation as to the Washington Hotel and its proprietor, Mr Morriss, during the period of 1819 to 1863" basic research once again will show that Robert Morris was Not the constant proprietor for that entire period.
In the original Beale Papers, it is the "unknown author" who succeeded in solving cipher 2 using the DOI, the Hart Papers state "Mr Ward...succeeded in finding the key to cipherNo2".
Furthermore it is stated about the printed Beale Papers pamphlet that "all but a few were destroyed by fire...before a plan of distribution and sale". If this was so, why the months of advertising the pamphlet for sale, the review in the Lynchburg Virginian newspaper, and eventually lowering the price from 50 cents to 10 cents if most were destroyed in a fire "before a plan of distribution and sale"?
George L Hart as way of a disclaimer does state that he "will make an effort to put in writing all that he knows or surmises about the above subject" and "I can only state in a few words what Clayton told me about it".
Surmising and hearsay accounts do not promote confidence in the presented story as being true.
In the entire narrative text of the Hart Papers there is NO mention of an iron box, but George L Hart does relate a story by one Mr Otey, who it so happens to be Hart's wife's first cousin.
This lack of mentioning an iron box, which is mentioned in Ward's original Beale Papers, becomes curious when George L Hart contacts Pauline Innis who is shown an iron box with one torn slip of randomly covered with numbers paper by a Mr Otey.
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Unknown author? The author gave himself away with the second page. In 1970 it came out this was a hoax. So should we conduct a ground search now?
 

Tiredman said:
Unknown author? The author gave himself away with the second page.
In 1970 it came out this was a hoax...
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As I have stated many times on these Beale threads, it was NOT James Beverly Ward's intention to create a hoax, but rather a period adventure/treasure dime novel with "play along" ciphers added as a parlor entertainment, his motivation the same as any other author, to generate income from his published work.
 

ECS said:
NOT James Beverly Ward's intention to create a hoax
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I wonder why people keep on saying that this is a Hoax, things people cant figure out the answer is always a Hoax... Its like the same thing saying that the pyramids are built by aliens..
 

jhonnz41 said:
I wonder why people keep on saying that this is a Hoax, things people cant figure out the answer is always a Hoax... Its like the same thing saying that the pyramids are built by aliens..
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The creator Ward gave himself away with the second page, claiming he numbered them in order of length, but they were not deciphered at that point in time so how does one know which is the longest or shortest? Simple it didn't matter he made money selling them. Keep believing that way the real treasures are left for others.
 

He sell copies of pamphlet out of frustration, He cant get the treasure so he switched to selling pamphlet to generate money..Maybe Ill do the same thing if I was him..But It doesn't mean that Beale's Treasure was a Hoax...There is a solution to it.
 

Because he spent years trying to figure it out...And after all that effort you dont know where the treasure is...The only wrong thing he did was trying to make money out of it, that's the reason why he was accused of making all of this up..

But I tell you, there is a solution to it...
 

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