QUESTIONABLE INFORMATION POSTED AS FACT CONCERNING THE BEALE TALE

[ECS]

The "unknown" author knew his nearby Virginia people and locations as would buyers of the pamphlet, while his knowledge of the west was vague and most likely acquired from period books.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

The "unknown" author knew his nearby Virginia people and locations as would buyers of the pamphlet, while his knowledge of the west was vague and most likely acquired from period books.

Maybe so...

 

[ECS]

The "unknown" author mentions the gold, silver, and jewels, but leaves it to the readers imagination as to condition- raw ore, crude field sand cast bars, and for the jewels, quantity, quality, type, it is questionable what was available on 1820's St Louis where furs were accepted as collateral for a bank loan.
There is no description of all the supplies they purchased in Santa Fe that filled their needs, or a description of their mining activities.
All this is based upon the alleged letters (Beale Papers) to Morriss by TJB, which only the "unknown" claimed to have seen.
The agent for copyright and publisher, James Beverly Ward never claimed to have seen these letters, the iron box- he only had the authors submitted handwritten manuscript, that is IF there ever was an "unknown" author.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The "unknown" author mentions the gold, silver, and jewels, but leaves it to the readers imagination as to condition- raw ore, crude field sand cast bars, and for the jewels, quantity, quality, type, it is questionable what was available on 1820's St Louis where furs were accepted as collateral for a bank loan.
There is no description of all the supplies they purchased in Santa Fe that filled their needs, or a description of their mining activities.
All this is based upon the alleged letters (Beale Papers) to Morriss by TJB, which only the "unknown" claimed to have seen.
The agent for copyright and publisher, James Beverly Ward never claimed to have seen these letters, the iron box- he only had the authors submitted handwritten manuscript, that is IF there ever was an "unknown" author.

YOUR opinion...

 

[ECS]

...We both have read fill in the blanks opinions concerning the condition of gold, silver, jewels and how they were transported to Bedford county. None of that information is in the Beale letters story.
There is more information concerning the construction of the treasure vault then the "western" mining of the ore and transport to Bedford county.

 

[franklin]

Nothing is ever mentioned about the ore other than the mining and the panning of the gold and silver ore. No system of extraction is ever mentioned. I always believed they found a depository of Spanish Gold as there were many. But the letters stated they found the gold in the rocks and cliffs. But how did they refine the ore to bring it back East. An expedition going West up the Yellowstone at that time in history mentioned a smoke from a fire off in the distant. As witnessed from the top of Pike's Peak which was called James' Peak at that time in history. But still this fire seen in the middle of Summer does not mean it was a smelter. I believe the story of the gold and silver found was a story made up after 1878. As that was the year of the History Book containing the DOI was printed that was used to encode the messages in the story. If the History Book used to make the codes was dated 1878 and no other before that time then you would have to surmise that the Job Print Pamphlet story was made up after 1878. No Two Ways About It. Ron Geravis Beale Papers Page 10.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

...We both have read fill in the blanks opinions concerning the condition of gold, silver, jewels and how they were transported to Bedford county. None of that information is in the Beale letters story.
There is more information concerning the construction of the treasure vault then the "western" mining of the ore and transport to Bedford county.

And...?

 

[ECS]

A writer is most comfortable with things he knows, and the "unknown author" definitely knew the Virginia locations and people that most Lynchburg residents would be aware.
With the "letters" from Beale, the out "west" location descriptions are very vague as are the activities , as if the author of these letters knowledge came from reading books, and NOT from actual experience.
Once the letter writer relates the Virginia portion of his "perilous adventure", the locations and details become much more descriptive due to an obvious familiar knowledge.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A writer is most comfortable with things he knows, and the "unknown author" definitely knew the Virginia locations and people that most Lynchburg residents would be aware.
With the "letters" from Beale, the out "west" location descriptions are very vague as are the activities , as if the author of these letters knowledge came from reading books, and NOT from actual experience.
Once the letter writer relates the Virginia portion of his "perilous adventure", the locations and details become much more descriptive due to an obvious familiar knowledge.[/QUOTE/]
OR... maybe talking with ppl who DID have personal experiences to share; dunno.

 

[ECS]

It is rather obvious that the writer of the Beale "letters" lacked personal knowledge of the landscape of the west.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Ot is rather obvious that the writer of the Beale "letters" lacked personal knowledge of the landscape of the west.

Could be... dunno.

 

[ECS]

If you read it as a story, it becomes apparent that the "letter" writer lacked essential knowledge concerning the west and actual mining operations involving gold and silver- that is left to the readers imagination to "fill in the blanks", as many have done.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

If you read it as a story, it becomes apparent that the "letter" writer lacked essential knowledge concerning the west and actual mining operations involving gold and silver- that is left to the readers imagination to "fill in the blanks", as many have done.

YOUR opinion...

 

[ECS]

Then compare the syntax of the "letters" to the narrative, you will notice that both were written by the same person.

 

[franklin]

The whole story of the Beale Treasure was made up over 15 years after Robert Morris had died. About the only person that had the knowledge of the Western Country was paymaster James Beverly Ward or Sherman. Nothing but a story. The codes were made out of an 1878 History Book with the DOI in the Appendix. Sorry folks no treasure to find.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Then compare the syntax of the "letters" to the narrative, you will notice that both were written by the same person.

PROBABLY Sherman...

 

[ECS]

...or a collaborative effort with cousin Sherman, cousin F C Hutter, Ward and his wife.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

...or a collaborative effort with cousin Sherman, cousin F C Hutter, Ward and his wife.

Could BE!

 

[TJB]

Over the years on various threads statements have been posted as "fact" when there is no documentation outside of the original source, THE BEALE PAPERS, publish by James Beverly Ward during the year of 1885 in Lynchburg, Virginia.
Most appear to be based on opinion of maybe or pure embellished speculation, or force fitting random possibilities to fit a pet theory.
Some of the questionable "facts":
Robert Morriss was related to Robert Morris Jr, signer of the DOI.
The Fine Arts Building on 600 Main St was the Morriss house where Beale stayed.
Indians observed from a distance the kiln fires that the Beale Party utilized to smelt the ore.
Once smelted gold and silver was made into bars by sand box casting.
The gold was about 60% or 14K, the silver little more pure.
The gold and silver bars were transported in false bottom wagons.
To cross Big Otter Creek, the bars had to be unloaded and placed on pack mules.
The treasure was placed in 30 gal salt Boone's Salt Works brine pots.
The "key letter" was never delivered because of a St Louis flood.
...and so on.
None of what is listed above is mentioned in the original source of THE BEALE PAPERS.

Despite the conclusions made by Lt Thomas Fawcett who interviewed Lynchburg residents for codebreaker Col William Friedman concerning the Beale Papers and the treasure story-
"The investigation in which we made...tended to support the view that the whole story of gold buried in Bedford county by Captain Beale and his associates was spun from the imagination of Mr Ward" report dated 30 April, 1949-
speculation and lore continue to be presented that lack foundation in actual events.

This guy seems to be on a mission of some kind! Is he still posting this crap?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

VERY carefully... heh!