QUESTIONABLE INFORMATION POSTED AS FACT CONCERNING THE BEALE TALE

[jhonnz41]

Because "THE BEALE PAPERS" was a work of fiction by James Beverly Ward based on referenced events and locations experienced by members of the extended Risque/Ward/Hutter/ Kennerly/Hancock Family, and that of his wife, Harriet Emmaline Otey who was related to the Bufords and Sarah Mitchel Morris, wife of Robert Morris who are both mentioned in the Beale story narrative.

It became "well known" in the 1960's due to the THE HART PAPERS" and Pauline Innis's "GOLD IN THE BLUE RIDGE" and several stories in treasure magazines, with additional fiction piled onto the original fiction, including the found letter story of Claudine Fulton Ellis and her "visit" to the Planters Hotel.
There has never been any evidence found to support Beale's perilous adventure treasure story, therefor NO "concealed history" beyond the speculation and false information that I have covered in this thread.

Can I get a soft copy of "Gold in the Blue Ridge"?

 

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[bigscoop]

The Beale tale was masterfully written for its day but today we have far greater fact checking capabilities and far greater access to historical and scientific data, etc., etc. Today we can prove that such a tale wasn't possible and didn't happen but this still won't convince those who simply want to believe, Oak Island being another prime example. As long as there are people willing to believe, or who need to believe, then these fantastical tales of treasure will continue to survive.

 

[jhonnz41]

If only I can get more data about the

1. Boulders dislodged on Sharptop on July 4, 1820
2. Purchase of the Harkening Hill 1819
3. Johnson-Dooley farm ownership
4. John Wood

I think it will be much easier.

 

[bigscoop]

If only I can get more data about the

1. Boulders dislodged on Sharptop on July 4, 1820
2. Purchase of the Harkening Hill 1819
3. Johnson-Dooley farm ownership
4. John Wood

I think it will be much easier.

What would be, "much easier?" Seems to me that you're doing everything backwards and hoping for any actual evidence to appear in the end rather then the beginning. This is a failed avenue that's been taken time and time again over the years, the manufacturing of false solutions built upon anything and everything but actual evidences. The desire and/or need to believe is never enough.

 

[jhonnz41]

What would be, "much easier?" Seems to me that you're doing everything backwards and hoping for any actual evidence to appear in the end rather then the beginning. This is a failed avenue that's been taken time and time again over the years, the manufacturing of false solutions built upon anything and everything but actual evidences. The desire and/or need to believe is never enough.

Easier to find out if a solution works or not.
(Note: I can still pull out more data that will prove aliens are real)

First it was mentioned that they purchased a mountain owned by new whites, where the owner is Isabella(name in Spanish), located North. Mary is said to be from there. It was also mentioned that there is a community in the mountains.

I cant think of somewhere else except the Harkening hill which was quoted as "third mountain".

Then I got the "Wood" family and a the name "JOHN" as the "Illustrious King", described him as "Making towns and villages" which I thought is a cartographer.

And such names existed during that period and even wrote a letter to Thomas Jefferson regarding a procurement of and Edinburgh review Volume.
Note that Columbus first Voyage first English translation was in 1817.

I asked why buy the Harkening Hill and Place it on the JD Farm instead, the answer was in page 3. (Found new Indian settlement)

I don't think these are just simple coincidences.

What is the mountain nearest to the Harkening? Why dislodge the Boulders on Sharptop on July 4? Why the Johnson Ancestral Home? etc..

I think it was all there in "Columbus first Voyage".

 

[bigscoop]

Easier to find out if a solution works or not.
(Note: I can still pull out more data that will prove aliens are real)

First it was mentioned that they purchased a mountain owned by new whites, where the owner is Isabella(name in Spanish), located North. Mary is said to be from there. It was also mentioned that there is a community in the mountains.

I cant think of somewhere else except the Harkening hill which was quoted as "third mountain".

Then I got the "Wood" family and a the name "JOHN" as the "Illustrious King", described him as "Making towns and villages" which I thought is a cartographer.

And such names existed during that period and even wrote a letter to Thomas Jefferson regarding a procurement of and Edinburgh review Volume.
Note that Columbus first Voyage first English translation was in 1817.

I asked why buy the Harkening Hill and Place it on the JD Farm instead, the answer was in page 3. (Found new Indian settlement)

I don't think these are just simple coincidences.

What is the mountain nearest to the Harkening? Why dislodge the Boulders on Sharptop on July 4? Why the Johnson Ancestral Home? etc..

I think it was all there in "Columbus first Voyage".

You're simply force feeding without any confirmation of the evidences that, "you desire to believe." What you're producing isn't confirmation of the evidences, but rather it is the assembly of baseless detail and theory that's being driven from your simple desire and/or need to believe. I could fill an entire legal pad with the names of those who have done "exactly" the same thing over the years but where are all of those "certain solutions" today?" They have come and gone like the wind and with good reason.

 

[jhonnz41]

You're simply force feeding without any confirmation of the evidences that, "you desire to believe." What you're producing isn't confirmation of the evidences, but rather it is the assembly of baseless detail and theory that's being driven from your simple desire and/or need to believe. I could fill an entire legal pad with the names of those who have done "exactly" the same thing over the years but where are all of those "certain solutions" today?" They have come and gone like the wind and with good reason.

That's why I need data to verify what is real or not.

Example: The use of "THERE WERE PALM TREES". which some people said that Palm trees are not found on Virginia.

With this I have to convert this paragraph.
"I determined in thirty, were covered with blossoms, there were palm trees. I saw another isle to the eastward, Santa Maria, gave a new town name.

into

"I determined in thirty, were covered with blossoms, there, I saw another isle to the eastward, Santa Maria, gave a new Town name."

I want to know what is real or not. dissect it as much as I can.

 

[jhonnz41]

I could fill an entire legal pad with the names of those who have done "exactly" the same thing over the years but where are all of those "certain solutions" today?" They have come and gone like the wind and with good reason.

Here is the page 1.
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I would be very happy If you can convert these numbers into names or words and explain them number by number. Please choose the key you have in mind.

 

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Here is the page 1.
71, 194, 38, 1701, 89, 76, 11, 83, 1629, 48, 94, 63, 132, 16, 111, 95, 84, 341, 975, 14, 40, 64, 27, 81, 139, 213, 63, 90, 1120, 8, 15, 3, 126, 2018, 40, 74, 758, 485, 604, 230, 436, 664, 582, 150, 251, 284, 308, 231, 124, 211, 486, 225, 401, 370, 11, 101, 305, 139, 189, 17, 33, 88, 208, 193, 145, 1, 94, 73, 416, 918, 263, 28, 500, 538, 356, 117, 136, 219, 27, 176, 130, 10, 460, 25, 485, 18, 436, 65, 84, 200, 283, 118, 320, 138, 36, 416, 280, 15, 71, 224, 961, 44, 16, 401, 39, 88, 61, 304, 12, 21, 24, 283, 134, 92, 63, 246, 486, 682, 7, 219, 184, 360, 780, 18, 64, 463, 474, 131, 160, 79, 73, 440, 95, 18, 64, 581, 34, 69, 128, 367, 460, 17, 81, 12, 103, 820, 62, 116, 97, 103, 862, 70, 60, 1317, 471, 540, 208, 121, 890, 346, 36, 150, 59, 568, 614, 13, 120, 63, 219, 812, 2160, 1780, 99, 35, 18, 21, 136, 872, 15, 28, 170, 88, 4, 30, 44, 112, 18, 147, 436, 195, 320, 37, 122, 113, 6, 140, 8, 120, 305, 42, 58, 461, 44, 106, 301, 13, 408, 680, 93, 86, 116, 530, 82, 568, 9, 102, 38, 416, 89, 71, 216, 728, 965, 818, 2, 38, 121, 195, 14, 326, 148, 234, 18, 55, 131, 234, 361, 824, 5, 81, 623, 48, 961, 19, 26, 33, 10, 1101, 365, 92, 88, 181, 275, 346, 201, 206, 86, 36, 219, 324, 829, 840, 64, 326, 19, 48, 122, 85, 216, 284, 919, 861, 326, 985, 233, 64, 68, 232, 431, 960, 50, 29, 81, 216, 321, 603, 14, 612, 81, 360, 36, 51, 62, 194, 78, 60, 200, 314, 676, 112, 4, 28, 18, 61, 136, 247, 819, 921, 1060, 464, 895, 10, 6, 66, 119, 38, 41, 49, 602, 423, 962, 302, 294, 875, 78, 14, 23, 111, 109, 62, 31, 501, 823, 216, 280, 34, 24, 150, 1000, 162, 286, 19, 21, 17, 340, 19, 242, 31, 86, 234, 140, 607, 115, 33, 191, 67, 104, 86, 52, 88, 16, 80, 121, 67, 95, 122, 216, 548, 96, 11, 201, 77, 364, 218, 65, 667, 890, 236, 154, 211, 10, 98, 34, 119, 56, 216, 119, 71, 218, 1164, 1496, 1817, 51, 39, 210, 36, 3, 19, 540, 232, 22, 141, 617, 84, 290, 80, 46, 207, 411, 150, 29, 38, 46, 172, 85, 194, 39, 261, 543, 897, 624, 18, 212, 416, 127, 931, 19, 4, 63, 96, 12, 101, 418, 16, 140, 230, 460, 538, 19, 27, 88, 612, 1431, 90, 716, 275, 74, 83, 11, 426, 89, 72, 84, 1300, 1706, 814, 221, 132, 40, 102, 34, 868, 975, 1101, 84, 16, 79, 23, 16, 81, 122, 324, 403, 912, 227, 936, 447, 55, 86, 34, 43, 212, 107, 96, 314, 264, 1065, 323, 428, 601, 203, 124, 95, 216, 814, 2906, 654, 820, 2, 301, 112, 176, 213, 71, 87, 96, 202, 35, 10, 2, 41, 17, 84, 221, 736, 820, 214, 11, 60, 760


I would be very happy If you can convert these numbers into names or words and explain them number by number. Please choose the key you have in mind.

Here's what you're failing to understand in the above proposition....."Doing so proves what, exactly?" Over the years these "completely random numbers" have been converted into words, names, sentences, and even different languages, etc., etc., all of these failed solutions simply proving that these completely random numbers can be converted into any type of solution one desires and/or needs to produce. There is nothing new about any of this disillusioning, it has been taking place since day one just as you continue to demonstrate nearly each and every day. You want to believe and then your own desire to believe becomes a need and so, as you have pointed out, it becomes impossible for you to determine what is real and what isn't real. And so one continues to look for confirmation of things that are not real in the first place, just as you are doing.

 

[jhonnz41]

Here's what you're failing to understand in the above proposition....."Doing so proves what, exactly?" Over the years these "completely random numbers" have been converted into words, names, sentences, and even different languages, etc., etc., all of these failed solutions simply proving that these completely random numbers can be converted into any type of solution one desires and/or needs to produce. There is nothing new about any of this disillusioning, it has been taking place since day one just as you continue to demonstrate nearly each and every day. You want to believe and then your own desire to believe becomes a need and so, as you have pointed out, it becomes impossible for you to determine what is real and what isn't real. And so one continues to look for confirmation of things that are not real in the first place, just as you are doing.

Just like the red knee something and abcdefghij etc...One claims he solved it, one claims it's a hoax.

Anyway, real or not i just need answers. I know there is answer to land ownership.
Who owned the JD Farm?

It's impossible to know who are the young guys who toppled the Boulders, but I know this one has an answer. and also, why is it named Johnson-Dooley Farm?

Who is Johnson?
Who is Dooley?

I think page 3 will answer this. But I hope it was just another coincidence.

 

[bigscoop]

After all your time and effort and you say you, "still need more data to know if it's real or not." But historically speaking, as has been the case each and every time, even if you find that data it will only lead to more data still being needed, and so on and so on. There will never be enough data to confirm that it's real, which is why more data will always be needed and sought. However, there is an entire mountain of facts that establish the tale to be a work if fiction, and so true believers then lean on the "coverup angle" just to keep the dream alive, and so off they go always looking for more data regardless the source, time period, etc., etc. But do what you must do......